Arcadia Discussion Zone

As some of you may have noticed (but probably not), I haven't posted for a while on the forum (not that I did post a great deal when I did post - if you see what I mean...). I have, though, been dipping in and following some of the threads.

If I may dare to stick my head above the parapet for a minute, I feel that the forum is not yet in meltdown, but has lost its way somewhat. In my view, this is because it has become quite cliquey and some members behave in a very superior and supercilious way. It may be that these members are, indeed, very knowledgeable about the subject matter and read and research a great deal, but some of us really do not have the time to do this, much as we would like to, owing to other commitments in life. Some of us may have come to the subject(s) later than others. This puts us at a disadvantage in our level of knowledge.

This disadvantage should not be derided, however. I see this forum as a place not only for the exchange of knowledge and information, but also for learning. Some of us may not have any knowledge to exchange as yet and may just wish to learn more about things.

I can understand that it may be frustrating for those who do have a vast knowledge of the subject matter, due to their own endeavours or circumstances, if they come across people who just wish to know and learn things by merely asking and not doing their own research. However, I'm sure those with that knowledge have been helped along the way by others at some point, too.

I think it is sad that some genuine enquirers are treated with 'haughty disdain' when they are just trying to learn. It has put me off posting 'stupid' questions. Maybe it's a lack in me... But I don't think so. Maybe that's why others no longer post... It's a shame.

Don't worry about the haughty disdainers... if you have a question ask it, if you have a view air it. Politeness doesn't cost anything..well that's what I was brought up to believe.

As for the haughty disdainers :

"Even the President of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked"

Fair enough JV, you have made some good points and I can only apologise if you find my behaviour affects your enjoyment of the forum. Those quotes about the lunatics taking over the forum were about the newcomers that all appeared together, the ones that think they are bees, SONine who wants to kill people’s sisters or whatever and someone who was babbling on about Salami. Some of us are subject to some very weird and bizarre messages that also came to a head around the same time which is why I made the comment.

Yes, that's what I understood.

(wayward's not there there )

Said newcomers = the (illegitimate) SoNs of "M.Norton" ?

Choose: lunatics invading the asylum or Nurse Ratched.

It seems most of you prefer Nurse Ratched.


By the way, one does not babble about salami - one engages in polite and respectful conversation when addressing the subject of salami.

Thanks Jean Vie, I hope they all don`t leave again. The new people

are from the movie set. We`ll see if Alexius returns, he usually gets back on 3/13.

"Even the President of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked"


Pilrig, aint there a Dylan line for just about every occasion and emotion?

True. And my fave is "Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues, you can tell by the way she smiles"

How strange, I recently had a conversation elsewhere about “one few over the cookoos nest”….your not reading my private messages are you?

Is the nurse Ratched inference your idea of polite and respectful conversation?
How about you take your salami and stick it where the sun don’t shine?

Interesting take you have on the body's biology. Your body must work in strange ways. In my case the salami enters my body by way of my mouth and the residuum exists by the pathway you suggested as an entrance. If you don't mind, I think I will keep to the direction that nature intended.

As far as Nurse Ratched is concerned, I see this as an allegory for the inbred dealing that goes on in here. I am very surprised by the aggressive tone of posters in this forum. It is as bad as I have seen anywhere on the net, in fact I would have to say it is the worst I have seen. I guess those that have finer sensibilities have been frightened off, leaving a hard core of cyber guerilla fighters who seem to relish the backbiting and bickering. There are clearly some very clever and knowledgeable people on board here. You would expect some interesting discussions but very quickly these discussions descend into squabbles and skirmishes reminiscent of a flock seagulls vying for a crumb of bread. You might see this forum as your territory to be defended at any cost. But as with any situation where, over a period of time, there is gross inbreeding, the inhabitant forms (and I am talking about behaviour) devolve into grotesque versions of what resides outside. Clearly this pattern is evident here. I can only say it is clear what will be the result if the evolutionary forces prevalent in this group continue.

I think you have a point Tingra, innocent people normally address the question when put to them they don't find it necessary to misdirect or avoid.
You notice how in the post following yours there a big long paragraph of ? but no actual intention of answering your first question.......

C'mon Rain are you actually suggesting I can read Tingra's PMs?????

I don't think Tingra was expecting any answer - it looked to me like rhetorical sarcasm.

Just so you are clear the answer to his question is NO.

Is that clear enough?

The worst ? I don't suppose you saw this forum when "M. Norton" (sic(k)) was posting on it ?

No - wasn't around.

And on reflection about my "worst" comment - I'll withdraw it. I have seen worse. Several. One I can think of lasted a few months after the moderator lost control. Attempts to revive it failed. It seems old angst never dissipates.

Favorite actor Will Samson from "Cuckoos Nest". I chose this photo so you

can see his size, he reminds me of my ex`s brother - same tribe.

Tingra,

Just thinking about your post.

Have I pissed you off somewhere?

For instance, my first post in the "Jesus the Catholic" thread?

He's my fav too.

You know you walked into a veritable ^&*% storm, start talking about salami and taking over France etc, etc... What do you expect? That people would take you seriously?
Well, they did - just not in the manner you would have liked.

BTW from your question on the shugborough monument, took me awhile to find scuse the formatting it doesn't translate.

O . U . O . S . V . A . V . V
15+21 15 +19 22 +1 22+22
36 34 23 44


The last line are the co-ordinates.

Thanks for information Rain.

The D and M don't figure in the decoding?

There is one other point.

The bas relief is the mirror image of the original - and there was a pool at the foot of the monument so that its reflection could be seen. It would be seen in the correct aspect if the observer stood next to the monument looking away from the monument and down into the pool.

These numbers would then be read as Lat 44d 23s Long 34d 36s.

This places the position near the Crimea Peninsula - perhaps not as appealing as the original location.

As far as Nurse Ratched is concerned, I see this as an allegory for the inbred dealing that goes on in here. I am very surprised by the aggressive tone of posters in this forum. It is as bad as I have seen anywhere on the net, in fact I would have to say it is the worst I have seen. I guess those that have finer sensibilities have been frightened off, leaving a hard core of cyber guerilla fighters who seem to relish the backbiting and bickering. There are clearly some very clever and knowledgeable people on board here. You would expect some interesting discussions but very quickly these discussions descend into squabbles and skirmishes reminiscent of a flock seagulls vying for a crumb of bread. You might see this forum as your territory to be defended at any cost. But as with any situation where, over a period of time, there is gross inbreeding, the inhabitant forms (and I am talking about behaviour) devolve into grotesque versions of what resides outside. Clearly this pattern is evident here. I can only say it is clear what will be the result if the evolutionary forces prevalent in this group continue.

What a load of tosh.


an allegory for the inbred dealing that goes on in here

Its not inbreeding. Its because the owner of the site thinks that the right of free speech means that any old shite can be posted here!

I am very surprised by the aggressive tone of posters in this forum

Why? You would be aggressive if you were a researcher who took the story of Sauniere seriously, but were continually confronted with 'research' by people who do not even know the story of Sauniere properly.

I guess those that have finer sensibilities have been frightened off,

No. Put these words into a constructive image to show you why they left: Head - Banging - Brick - Wall.

who seem to relish the backbiting and bickering

I dont see this. I see frustration.

There are clearly some very clever and knowledgeable people on board here. You would expect some interesting discussions but very quickly these discussions descend into squabbles and skirmishes reminiscent of a flock seagulls vying for a crumb of bread.

Why dont you analyse why that happens?

You might see this forum as your territory to be defended at any cost. But as with any situation where, over a period of time, there is gross inbreeding, the inhabitant forms (and I am talking about behaviour) devolve into grotesque versions of what resides outside. Clearly this pattern is evident here. I can only say it is clear what will be the result if the evolutionary forces prevalent in this group continue

What a load of old crap.

I trust some of your frustration has been duly expunged by your post.

What I have said in my post is not crap. You just don't like what you see in the mirror I've held up to the group.

It seems to me looking back thru the archive that it is replete with backbiting, bickering and personal abuse.

The cause may be as you say, however, this is a public forum and people with all sorts of levels of knowledge of the subject matter are liable to post here.

Their posts might offend your sensibilities - but turning your nose up at people who are endeavouring to learn something can become offensive. Naturally, they respond likewise. May be the great unwashed initiate the abuse. I don't know.

If you had patience with people you might find they begin to contribute to your understanding and knowledge.

I have not gone thru the archive with a fine tooth comb trying to analyse who did what to whom - couldn't give a toss for it. You say you are the frustrated one - that is of no consequence to me - that is something for you to deal with.

Perhaps this forum should be closed for the exclusive use of a selected few - great if you make the cut. Somehow I suspect the nonsense would not abate.

Finally, I draw your attention to the post that heads this thread. You might like to reread it.

What I have said in my post is not crap. You just don't like what you see in the mirror I've held up to the group.

Yeh it is.

The cause may be as you say, however, this is a public forum and people with all sorts of levels of knowledge of the subject matter are liable to post here.

Read my post properly. Its not even about 'all sorts of levels of knowledge'.

Their posts might offend your sensibilities - but turning your nose up at people who are endeavouring to learn something can become offensive.

Shall i tell you what is offensive? People like you who dont know anyone on this Forum, coming along and 'holding up a mirror to the group'. And then telling them all what their problems are.

. I don't know.

Correct.

If you had patience with people you might find they begin to contribute to your understanding and knowledge.

LOL. Classic

couldn't give a toss for it.

Likewise no one gives a toss for your amateur psychologists stance.
Letting you're impatience slip out there, eh? Telling us you couldnt give a toss .... and you, who understands everything thats happening to this Forum

You say you are the frustrated one - that is of no consequence to me - that is something for you to deal with.

Whatever.
I think the newcomers should get to know people here, instead of making ASSUMPTIONS!
And there are many frustrated good knowledgeable posters here that do not post anymore out of frustration.... and THAT should be of consequence to you here .....

Why dont you try a little understanding?


Finally, I draw your attention to the post that heads this thread. You might like to reread it.

Dont draw my attention to anything. And pack up with your condescension young man.

I can understand that someone coming along and pointing out the ugly behaviour within the group, uninvited, will be seen as presumptuous in the eyes of people like you. It's clear you don't like what you hear. But this is a public forum. It is not exclusively your playground.

You bet I don't give a toss about how you react to what goes on in this group - it really is your problem, not mine.

I can't believe you will not acknowledge the sentiments in the first post in this thread. It really says it all.

And by the way, if you think I am a young man, I would hate to think how old that makes you.

I can understand that someone coming along and pointing out the ugly behaviour within the group, uninvited, will be seen as presumptuous in the eyes of people like you.

LOL. You are exactly the same as what you accuse us of. Because i dont agree with your crap, and am telling you, you are starting to insult me

It's clear you don't like what you hear.

Really?


But this is a public forum.

Why do people always resort to this argument, as if it is the reason that rubbish should be allowed to be posted here?

It is not exclusively your playground.

See, this is where youre going wrong mate. Quite why you think i see this place as my own private playground i have no idea.
Because you dont take any time to get to know people, you have made assumptions about me that are completely way off mark.

I dont tolerate fools and fakers.

You bet I don't give a toss about how you react to what goes on in this group - it really is your problem, not mine.

Lol, you're impatience is showing again.

I can't believe you will not acknowledge the sentiments in the first post in this thread. It really says it all.

Actually i do. And i have alot of repsect for Jean Vie. But you never stopped to ask did you?

And by the way, if you think I am a young man, I would hate to think how old that makes you.

And there you go, go and join the rest of the posters who you complain about, bickering, backbiting and throwing insults at each other personally, just because you dont like what im saying to you

And i prove my point. Tolerance and respect go both ways .. EVEN if you are a newbie .....