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rain · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2010 2:38 am

Roger:

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It's not an error at all. The cult is at the forefront of the activities in which Sauniere engaged himself. The Rise makes absolutely no mention of the crista, it concentrates on showing the history of the movement that Sauniere utilised for fun and profit. Various groups, at various times, put the crista at the forefront of THEIR activities, without any particular regard for its true origin and purpose (an origin with which I would be so bold as to suggest that I may be somewhat more familiar with than yourself, however this will most likely never be elucidated to anyone's satisfaction but a very few). The "cult of the dead", to continue calling it by this over-dramatic name, is merely one of these groups, albeit one that proved lucrative for Sauniere's mercantile exploitation, once he no longer had contact with his original patrons (who had nothing to do with said cult except, perhaps, in a tangential manner relating to their political activities).

The further meandering travels of the crista after it left what we know as St Germain des Pres, may or not be the subject of a later IBJ work, I don't know. My involvement is at an end unless someone makes a move on the object in its present location.

This strikes me as an unusual declaration to make, Roger. You generally only say things you want people to hear on the forum. Would you be able to explain further what you mean. Or is it None of my Business.

So I guess I'm asking if someone makes a move on the object in its present location what action will you take and why?

Hermes · **Joined:** 29 Oct 2009 7:24 am **Posts:** 9

Yes, sorry RenaissanceMan, I did take you out of context before. I should pay more attention.

As for the above painting, to me it depicts St. Anthony after his time in solitude (the cave) where
he overcame his demons (the strange creatures around him including the deranged women) through contemplation. The hour glass representing time (enlightenment doesn’t happen overnight). The skull represents his old material body that’s no longer relative.
The peacock represents his arrival out of the darkness into visual brilliance.
A couple of the villages celebrate Saint Anthony’s arrival out of the darkness, while the
rest of the creatures are the vulgar (the masses, the people that believe what they are feed). Chicken excrement maybe?

This next painting is an alchemist at work with his tools of the trade. Nothing else. Heat source (the oven), his still, etc... The fish may be there to acknowledge that separation has taken place, the hidden essence, spirit or soul is free. ‘The wind carries it in it’s belly’.

As for ‘blue apples’ having anything to do with alchemy.....well I think that’s drawing a long bow quite frankly.

Eginolf · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2010 10:29 am

rain wrote:

Roger:

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The further meandering travels of the crista after it left what we know as St Germain des Pres, may or not be the subject of a later IBJ work, I don't know. My involvement is at an end unless someone makes a move on the object in its present location.

Its present location - where it still can be seen from everybody who knows about it?
How about that strange church that Billard had built at Limoux? >>> La Place de l’Assomption: Where you find that crista symbol (within a frame) depicted on the wall!

http://www.christiandoumergue.com/Limoux.pdf

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/limoux/rue6.htm

http://a32.idata.over-blog.com/350x468/0/39/46/04/mars2008/egliselimoux.jpg

BTW.
assomption = the rise.

:lol:

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2010 3:37 pm

Nice connection Eginolf!

Roger is about to have the "Poop" removed from his eyes. :wink:

The topic of the 'raising of the dead' is continued in the thread The Blissful Subject of Death in the Rennes le Chateau section.

By pure coincidence the first post has a drawing of Christ rising from a sepulchre.

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2010 3:47 pm

Hermes, you are right about context. Your interpretation could well be valid - but does it fit in with the rest of the clues to present a seamless whole??

The RLC mystery is full of clues, yet most refer to just one thing.
Can you present a solution that draws all these clues together and explains the subtlties of each one? That is a mammoth task yet i think it can be shown that it has been acheived.
We are nearly there. Watch out for new posts.

This is in this thread by chance. Start reading at Eulalio Eguia's post on page 2 to follow the trail.

Sheila · **Posted:** 17 Jan 2010 9:46 pm

Oh, wad some Power the giftie gie us,
To see ourselves as others see us!

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 12:23 am

Hermes, re your interpretation,

Is that a stork behind Anthony's altar?
If so that would be a bird associated with birth, or in this case, presumably rebirth.

rain · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 2:26 am

A minor character in the novel, Pigorin, provides us with an extremely interesting detail. He refers us to St. Anthony, whether the holy hermit accompanied by a pig or St. Anthony of Padua, to whom those in search of lost gold direct their prayers. Let's not over look the fact that B.S. brought back from Paris a painting by David Teniers called The Temptation of St. Anthony. It depicts a double cave and St Anthony is on his knees, directing his gaze at a book resting on an enormous stone table. On this table there a skull, a crucifix, an hourglass, and a vase. The devil is offering a cup to the monk marked with the Tau. At the foot of the stone table are two books: One is open, a sign of the word given to all, and the other is closed near a wooden bowl, witness to that which remains to be uncovered, that which is still hidden, the estoeric word. To the left of St. Anthony is an enormous cheval (horse) skull on which sits an owl. We can note the existence of the hermitage of St. Anthony in the Galamus Gorge, not far from Bugarach, and, most important, we should note that Bulletin de la Societe des Etudes Scientifiques de l'Aude informs us that construction undertaken near Les Salines for the salt extraction starting in 1839 consisted of opening underground draining chambers that were desinated by the names of Our Lady, St. Barbe, and St. Anthony.
The Secret Message of Jules Verne, Michel Lamy p92-93

wayward · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 3:22 am

Rain, The painting B.S. brought back from the Louvre was the Temptation of St. Anthony (the petite version)I know this because it has the Horse of God in it and also a subliminal map of Nova Scotia. :wink:

rain · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 4:35 am

But the clue says no temptation. (Sherperdess not of the temptation.) I think that was the more correct translation.
Shepherdess no temptation. That Poussin [and] Teniers keep the key. Peace 681. By the cross and this horse of God. I finish off this guardian daemon at midday. Blue apples.

There is no actual direct reference to the temptation of St Anthony only that Teniers keep or hold the key.

What if Lamy through Verne is leading us on to the next step which has been missed, although the parchments (or copies) came after Verne's writing, and it is as Sheila suggests a series which requires this developement of the map which leads us through the labyrinth.

Afterall As Lamy states, Verne writes in a circuit to better introduce us to the journey.

rain · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 4:46 am

Wayward:

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Rain, The painting B.S. brought back from the Louvre was the Temptation of St. Anthony (the petite version)I know this because it has the Horse of God in it and also a subliminal map of Nova Scotia.

You make a good point Wayward so I'll put in the references. It will make it clearer that Lamy is referring to two paintings not one.

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A minor character in the novel, Pigorin, provides us with an extremely interesting detail. He refers us to St. Anthony, whether the holy hermit accompanied by a pig or St. Anthony of Padua, to whom those in search of lost gold direct their prayers. Let's not over look the fact that B.S. brought back from Paris a painting by David Teniers called The Temptation of St. Anthony. It depicts a double cave and St Anthony is on his knees, directing his gaze at a book resting on an enormous stone table. On this table there a skull, a crucifix, an hourglass, and a vase. The devil is offering a cup to the monk marked with the Tau. At the foot of the stone table are two books: One is open, a sign of the word given to all, and the other is closed near a wooden bowl, witness to that which remains to be uncovered, that which is still hidden, the estoeric word. To the left of St. Anthony is an enormous cheval (horse) skull on which sits an owl.[27] We can note the existence of the hermitage of St. Anthony in the Galamus Gorge, not far from Bugarach, and, most important, we should note that Bulletin de la Societe des Etudes Scientifiques de l'Aude informs us that construction undertaken near Les Salines for the salt extraction starting in 1839 consisted of opening underground draining chambers that were desinated by the names of Our Lady, St. Barbe, and St. Anthony (see figure 6, p. 112b).
The Secret Message of Jules Verne, Michel Lamy p92-93

(figure 6, p. 112b) Copy of the above picture

[27] From the perspective of the enigma at Rennes-le-Chateau, it is interseting to note that a copy of this famous painting exists in Canada, but with the subjects exactly reversed.

Sheila · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 9:08 am

....anybody care to post up a version of the picture that you guys are discussing ....including this so called "horses" skull.

wayward · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 11:35 am

Rain,I discussed this in my answer to Ren Man on pg.2 of this thread.Shepherdess no temptation,or however it is translated is refering to the Poussin painting,there is no shepherdess in the Teniers "Temptation of St. Antoine"from the Mussee du Louvre.In each of the two Poussin works of Arcadia there is indeed a shepherdess."Bulldognic" posted a part of the correct Teniers in the 5th post on page 3,it is the one on the right.As I mentioned earlier the correct Poussin is the second,the one with the shepherd indicating the R should not be in the word Arcadia(Acadia).

wayward · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 11:40 am

btw,If anybody can post the correct Teniers(I havn't been able to post a picture on this site yet)Iwould be happy to point out the subliminal "Horse of God". :wink:

Eginolf · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 1:06 pm

Roger wrote:

Hi Eginolf, it isn't in Limoux.
But you're on the right track... note the first appointed priest for the revived parish was Pierre Coste...

As for the "poop in my eyes"... I would refer you to the parable about "la poutre et la paille"...

Please note: I did not say that about poop.

But still ... this church L'Assomption is a very strange one. Actually all four churches of Limoux are kinda strange, at the least.

As is the one "around the corner": St. Polycarpe.

rain · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 11:29 pm

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Rain,I discussed this in my answer to Ren Man on pg.2 of this thread.Shepherdess no temptation,or however it is translated is refering to the Poussin painting,there is no shepherdess in the Teniers "Temptation of St. Antoine"from the Mussee du Louvre.In each of the two Poussin works of Arcadia there is indeed a shepherdess."Bulldognic" posted a part of the correct Teniers in the 5th post on page 3,it is the one on the right.As I mentioned earlier the correct Poussin is the second,the one with the shepherd indicating the R should not be in the word Arcadia(Acadia).

Or it could mean the St Anthony and St Paul in the desert because he's not being tempted and their is no Sheperdess.

Sheila · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2010 11:39 pm

...or it might simply be the fact that in the "Temptation of Saint Anthony" paintings by Teniers the younger there is actually no temptation going on at all...actually the opposite.

rain · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 12:04 am

Sheila:

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....anybody care to post up a version of the picture that you guys are discussing ....including this so called "horses" skull.

The first picture is what we are referring to although my main interest is in the link Lamy makes to the picture that refers to the Gorge. The rest are of interest as well.

The story of St Paul and St Anthony in the desert is what I studied previously, rather then all the temptations. I want reiterate Vern predates the shepherdess code/dossier secrets and malachy.

BTW what's the key that Tenier and Poussin have in both the pictures. Overlooked in all this.

The Temptation of St Anthony
1640s
Oil on wood, 22 x 16 cm
Musée du Louvre, Paris

The Temptation of Saint Antoine
(ndg.), oil-base paint on wood
6 x 8.7 in. (16 cm x 22 cm.)
Musée du Louvre

The Temptation of St. Anthony
(after 1640), oil on oak
20.7 x 32.1 in. (52.5 x 81.5 cm.)
Wallraf-Richartz Museum, Cologne

St Anthony, St Paul in the desert , Teniers - Private Collection
http://www.rlcresearch.com/category/paintings/page/3/
Saint Anthony and Saint Paul in the Desert / Shugborough Hall, copy after the original by David Teniers de Younger

Previously wrongly titled by the Courtauld institute as ‘Elijah and Elisha being fed by the Raven’ This painting was assumed by Henry Lincoln to be the David Teniers painting Bérenger Saunière bought a copy of in Paris around 1891. (Key to the Sacred Pattern pages 79 – 82)

The Temptation of St Anthony at Notre Dame de Marceille, near Limoux

wayward · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 6:04 am

Rain, the second picture you posted is the correct Teniers painting.Do you see the Horse of God,clue!the bats ears are the horses nostrils,once you see it thats all you will see.The right ear of the horse is clearly visible,left as you look at it.When you see the horse I'll show you the map of Nova Scotia.Remember it is supposed to be discovered. :wink:

I like this winking guy

rs2008 · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 6:47 am

Mmmmmm....and that would be another clue, the Equus behind the good Saint, its ears being the wings of the dinosaur thingy?? And what about the fowl peeing/pooping in the vase, that must be significant.........or have we been here before?

rain · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 7:00 am

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Rain, the second picture you posted is the correct Teniers painting.Do you see the Horse of God,clue!the bats ears are the horses nostrils,once you see it thats all you will see.The right ear of the horse is clearly visible,left as you look at it.When you see the horse I'll show you the map of Nova Scotia.Remember it is supposed to be discovered. I like this winking guy

Supposedly it wasn't at the Louve when Sauniere visited only the first was.

The first one is the one in Lamy's description as well, but the second maybe the one referred to in reference [27] as the Canadian reversal, maybe. I don't know.

[27] From the perspective of the enigma at Rennes-le-Chateau, it is interesting to note that a copy of this famous painting exists in Canada, but with the subjects exactly reversed.

Sheila · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 8:52 am

....OMG.... :roll:

i'm out of here.

wayward · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 11:35 am

My sources have told me it was the second and not the first that B.S. supposedly saw in the Louvre.I do need to correct a statement I made earlier,Sauniere,of course did not buy the painting.I don't know if he even got a copy,that is not what I meant to say,but remember he probably did not figure out the clues himself(I mean the clues as to the location of the Grail).He evidently did figure out some other things.Besides did the other painting have the H.o.G. in it.Remember,"by the cross(or this cross)and this Horse of God I complete this daemon guardian at midday(or noon).the d.g. is a reference to the riddle itself and as I referenced latitude measuring instruments referred to three times,noon is,of course the time to take a latitude reading.So Poussin tells us the object is in Acadia(Nova Scotia)and Teniers tells us latitude is important in its location or discovery.The problem is the clues in the parchment(shepherdess)are too easy,almost like"a child would know".

wayward · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2010 2:28 pm

O.K. Roger,Thanks,I guess I'll shut up for awhile.lets see,which little thingy should I use,hmmm

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O.K. Roger,Thanks,I guess I'll shut up for awhile.lets see,which little thingy should I use,hmmm

Hi Wayward,
You could always use this one ?

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