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Boulogne et Anjou ont des connexions Merovingiennes plus ou moins directes par plusieurs affiliations dont celle des Comtes d'Auvergne. Ce sont souvent ceux qui savent le moins qui parlent le plus, et ca serait plus supportable s'ils essayaient un petit peu d'etre moins gratuitement mechants.

"connexions plus ou moins directes" do not a Merovingian make; direct patrilineal descent does.

No Tim, Twyman was inserted just to rile you....and it did..

Don't worry yourself so much about the Merovingians and all that....leave those discussions for those who have read the book and know ecxactly what page and what resources were used.. Sorry, but Tracy Twyman doesn't appear once in my book..

Yup. I got that. Got it straight from the Des Marets Museum. Argue the point with them.

i'd say that Christians in Jerusalem knew exactly where Christ had been buried as they venerated the tomb until it became inaccessible in 135 AD. Macarius, after asking permission from the big C. seems to have known exactly where to begin digging his excavations....in fact it was all over bar the shouting by the time the emperor's mother got there.

You don't seriously think that Helena herself actually found it ?

Helena, the emperor’s mother,… being divinely directed by dreams went to Jerusalem…. She sought carefully the sepulchre of Christ, from which he arose after his burial; and after much difficulty, by God’s help she discovered it (Church History, 1.17).

...which is empirical hogwash.

Wayward said: IMHO, I don't think anybody found it. But, I guess it wouldn't make much difference either way. Most of those who believe Jesus survived the crucifixion, still accept that he was placed in the tomb temporarily. And those who believe in the resurrection accept the same scenario.

THE APPEARANCE OF JESUS

1). Jesus appeared to people from the day of his resurrection until his ascension forty days later. Ten distinct appearances are recorded in the Scriptures. They were at different places, times, and to different people. Jesus spoke, ate, drank, and embraced people. The eyewitnesses were convinced of his appearances. Finally, we are told that about five hundred people saw Jesus during this post-resurrection period. This constitutes credible, eye-witness testimony.

2). One explanation used to dismiss these sightings is hallucinations. This sounds like a plausible explanation until one realizes the data surrounding hallucinations supplied by modern medicine. As you look at this data you see that calling the appearance of Jesus mere hallucinations is impossible. Hallucinations…

TRANSFORMED LIVES

1). The testimony and death of the disciples

Many of those to whom Jesus appeared ended up dying for their testimony about the resurrection. People are willing at times to die for a strongly held belief, but no one (especially a large group of people) would ever die for something he or she knew was a blatant lie. If the resurrection story was a myth, surely one of the disciples or people who died would have revealed the fabrication to escape torture or death. None did. They were willing to die for what they had seen with their own eyes: a resurrected Jesus. His resurrection transformed them from scared renegades to powerful leaders of the first church.

2). Changed lives of people; yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

Scripture

Matthew 28

Mark 16

Luke 24

John 20-21

Other verses about the resurrection:

Acts 1: 1-11

1 Corinthians 15: 14

Ephesians 1: 19-20

Jesus appearances reported in the New Testament after resurrection-

The primary accounts of the resurrection are in the Gospels: the last chapter of Matthew, of Mark, and of Luke, as well as the last two chapters of John. All these accounts agree that Jesus was killed by crucifixion and placed in a tomb. After observing the Sabbath, some of Jesus' female followers returned to the tomb, to complete the burial rites. When they arrived they discovered that the body had gone, and returned with some of the male disciples.

Jesus then makes a series of appearances to the disciples, with the most notable being to Thomas and the other disciples in the upper room (Luke 20:26-31), along the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-32) and beside the Sea of Galilee to reinstate Peter (John 21:1-23). His final appearance is reported as being forty days after the resurrection when he ascended into heaven (Luke 24:44-49).

The followings are the account made by the eyewitnesses' disciples.

1 Corinthians 15

"seen of Cephas, then of the twelve" 15:5
"seen of above five hundred brethren at once" 15:6
"seen of James; then of all the apostles" 15:7
"last of all he was seen of me" (Paul) 15:8-9, also claimed in 9:1

Matthew 28

To Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary," as they were running from the empty tomb to inform the

disciples. Jesus tells the women to instruct the disciples to go to Galilee to meet him.
To the eleven, on a mountain in Galilee where Jesus had told the apostles to go, see Great Commission.

Mark 16

To Mary Magdalene, Mary, the mother of James, and Salome.
To two of Jesus's followers as they were walking in the countryside (Jesus appeared to them in "another form").
To the eleven while they were dining.

Luke 24

To Cleopas and one other disciple as they walked to Emmaus. At first "their eyes were holden" so that they could not recognize him. Later while having supper at Emmaus "their eyes were opened" and they recognized him.
To "Simon." This appearance is not described directly by Luke but it is reported by the other apostles.
To the eleven, together with some others (including Cleopas and his companion), in Jerusalem.

John 20-21

To Mary of Magdala. At first she did not recognize him and thought that he was a gardener. When he said her name, she recognized him.
To the disciples (not including Thomas) on that same day. They were indoors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus entered and stood in their midst while the doors were shut.
To the disciples including Thomas, called Didymus. This was a week later, again indoors, and resulted in the famous doubting Thomas conversation.
To "Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons and two other of his disciples", by Lake Tiberias, see also Catch of 153 fish. The disciple whom Jesus loved was present in this group.

Acts

To the Church in Jerusalem - forty days after the resurrection after which he ascended into heaven, with a prophecy to return (1:1-11).
To Saul (Paul), on the Road to Damascus, though according to the text, it was a voice, not a vision, as Paul was blinded by a light (9:3-9, 22:6-11, 26:12-18) and also when Paul was in a trance he saw the Lord speaking (22:17-21).
Peter also heard a voice while in a trance (10:9-16, 11:4-10).

Revelation

John of Patmos experiences a vision of the resurrected Jesus Christ described in 1:12-20.

My grandfather and father were Demarest/Des Marets in a direct line of sons from knights of the Crusades. The names of every one of these ancestors appeared in my first book years ago, provided by the same Museum Directors who first visited my grandmother and copied our family Bibles (as mentioned in the Introduction).

I did not include Des Marets lineages in the revised edition of my book because I felt this was no longer relevant nor necessary to the main topics of the book, which is not about my ‘bloodline’.

History is full of false claimants and wanna-be's. I covered some of the better known ones (Anna Anderson and Michael La Fosse) in my previous edition.

I recall that even TCP himself sought his 'bloodline' and family Coat of Arms and published these on the Internet. To what purpose did this serve him? Should he be attacked for this? Did he have a motive, or was it pure ego?

Why does anyone do these things? I tried to answer that question in the final chapter of my book.

Many of the records were originally kept by the King(s) of France because this represented their lineage too, and this included the des Marets lineage.

So much has been written and so many lineages have been traced, and this line is so well established that it would be hard to fake. Quite the contrary! It is very easy to prove.

Many thousands of these descendants can and have written books about this family. I am neither the first nor the only DesMarets in the world.

Here are just a few of the hundreds of links about the Des Marets genealogy from the Crusades to the present. When I tried to highlight these links, I could not post, so I have had to remove the www. part of the url.

colleengenealogy.net/desmarets.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem

gutenberg.org/files/30172/30172-h/30172-h.htm

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1628480/posts

Nuff said. Sometimes I feel that TCP has been stalking me in the same way he claimed that that Paul S. was stalking him!

Tim, I think you have a serious mental disorder far and above in excess of anything you accused Paul Smith or McGowan of...Your attacks smack of obsessive-compulsive disorder...and quite frankly I am afraid of anyone with your unstable state of mind....

I dont have to 'defend' my claims. You do! You brought all this up. Not me.
You are so hate-filled that it scares me.....and now I realize that you scare others here too...

Tim, I think you have a serious mental disorder far and above in excess of anything you accused Paul Smith or McGowan of...Your attacks smack of obsessive-compulsive disorder...and quite frankly I am afraid of anyone with your unstable state of mind....Now I understand why I got all those PM's from people wishing you would leave this forum.. Looking over old posts through the past years here, the pattern is obvious with you and with no one else here...You seem to think that you are the great super-hero who will 'expose' all....a champion of cause that exist only in your own mind.....and by inflicting this on everyone, you spoil it for everyone here... Not everyone is interested in supporting your paranoid attacks....In fact not one person here has shown any interest to support in these endeavors, have you noticed? Have you wondered why yet?

I just found out where you got your J.C. Tomb information from. It seems it's a 19th century invention by a Christian/Islamic faction. (Basically a cult). The only thing that stands out about this hoax in a field of hoaxes is it niavely wasn't created for money. Other then that it was pretty much the same as the Hammott Tomb. False etmologies etc...
and since we've just been there this is all rather tiring. Do you really think this forum is going to stand back and take another hoax just because we're tired of being taken advantage of by predators out to feed their own ego's by parasitically latching on to cultish behaviours?

In other words TCP has my support but you probably knew that anyway.

Further, the only one pushing genealogy here is Tim. As pointed out by those who have actually read the book...this is not the topic.
It is TCP's mental problem.....certainly not mine..

And neither you nor Tim has to take the trouble to come onto the thread I started here and make wild accusations and keep the pot broiling....unless you are both into that sort of thing, keeping the forum in disarray and disruption...bringing up theories you know nothing about and books you haven't even read.

As I just posted previously on another thread (since TCP keeps returning to this genealogy hangup of his):

I have mentioned many times before that every family line will have its own unique genealogy...each new son or daughter who has offspring has a new family lineage. The same rules apply for you and for me and for the Queen of England. The royal heirs to the Throne, Harry and William, will each marry and produce a very different line for the next generation. That's what you are seeing in all these genealogy charts...One common Des Marets family and the many branches from that family...

I go to our family museum and to other family members for cheat sheets.. They did all the hard work. Just to confuse TCP. (I see it's working)

And once again, I advise you that you look pretty silly here...you keep emphasizing things that are not a part of my book....ignoring those who have actually read it and contradict you...