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 Post subject: Re: Koi Pond Attacks and other misunderstandings
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 2:56 pm 
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No rain....I never said I was descended from Jesus the son of God....I said this is a theory that I explored.... you are lying again.


:lol: oh this is good little backtrack - I'm sure this will come in handy when you start contradicting yourself again.

So basically the tomb is just a tomb and nothing to do with you.

You can call me a liar all you want - I don't have a book on the line - I'm not the one trying to flog a tomb hoax on top a discredited tomb hoax and "theorising" I'm descended from the son of God.

BTW I noticed how you changed the name of the thread to koi pond. You're good training for ignoring the worst attributes in people. I know what you meant. I'll just refer to you as RB from now on and we'll both know what that means.:wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Koi Pond Attacks and other misunderstandings
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 3:02 pm 
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all of this must go through the Church...it is a huge and daunting task, certainly one that I am not in a position to take on...I merely make the suggestions about the possibilities, and make initial inquiries..
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It must all go through the Church, a position that I am not able to take on! Again...these were in the form of suggestions for further research. I've never been in touch with the Vatican in my life! You stretch things a tad when you take them out of context..You have lied again rain....are apologies forthcoming from you? I rather doubt that...By the way...I have read that Kathleen Mcgowan sent her book to the Vatican and claimed that she was descended from Jesus and Magdalene directly...why dont you take this up with her?



I realise you might have trouble with your own words --- your so busy ducking and weaving when you were challenged it was funny - even I knew it was held by the state and the bodies were decimated. Here I've HIGHLIGHTED IN RED where you yourself say ANY CHURCH. Re-read R.B. take all the time you need to try understand what you actually meant when you said it and how it comes across.
You're forgiven again R.B. merely because of your age.

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and the bloodline of many famous and royal rulers are there...I proposed that project several years ago...(getting their DNA)...and I still
have not met any resistance from any Church when the projects are mentioned.
I have to go to France and make formal application through the Catholic Church, as they make the final decision what happens on their Church property...once formalities are followed, the DNA Project can begin there...I lack time and money to continue..

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 Post subject: Re: Koi Pond Attacks and other misunderstandings
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 3:08 pm 
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rain said:You can call me a liar all you want - I don't have a book on the line - I'm not the one trying to flog a tomb hoax on top a discredited tomb hoax and "theorising" I'm descended from the son of God.

BTW I noticed how you changed the name of the thread to koi pond. You're good training for ignoring the worst attributes in people. I know what you meant. I'll just refer to you as RB from now on and we'll both know what that means


Rain, I don't know how else to say this...you have slung accusations at me for the past 24 hours.....each time I have stood up to you (and to Sparatcus) and answered you as you demanded....even though I knew what your agenda was...and true to form no matter how I answered you.....you twisted it into something else that better suited your agenda(s).....you have your own theories and so you twist the facts to make them fit.....such as saying I claimed direct descent from Jesus, or that I was in contact with the Vatican, or following a 19th century Ahmaddi plot...or that the genealogy was a deliberate fake.

No matter what I bring forth, you ignore it, you refuse to carry on a meaningful conversation, and you launch each post with contradictions and accusations..... now how long do we want to play this game? Would you and Spartacus and Tim like to brag that you drove me out of this forum because you were such great investigative researchers? Exposing another hoax?

Why dont you just cut out all this wasted time and say so...... I wont leave but I wont feel obligated to respond to you anymore. I'm sure you are a very nice girl.....sorry we could not find even one slim thread of pleasant conversation..
Have a nice day.
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I lack time and money to continue..


I lack the time and money to even get started! This was an idea for further research for anyone who was interested...

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R. B. ? What in the world is this supposed to mean? Geesh rain...

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 Post subject: Re: Koi Pond Attacks and other misunderstandings
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 3:21 pm 
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all of this must go through the Church...it is a huge and daunting task, certainly one that I am not in a position to take on...I merely make the suggestions about the possibilities, and make initial inquiries..
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It must all go through the Church, a position that I am not able to take on! Again...these were in the form of suggestions for further research. I've never been in touch with the Vatican in my life! You stretch things a tad when you take them out of context..You have lied again rain....are apologies forthcoming from you? I rather doubt that...By the way...I have read that Kathleen Mcgowan sent her book to the Vatican and claimed that she was descended from Jesus and Magdalene directly...why dont you take this up with her?


Of course you haven't been in touch with Vatican - your "theorising" about being descended from the Jesus the son of God" - you're also "theorising" you're related by blood to the Kings of Jerusalem - your trying to save a tomb in which you believe has the remains of said Jesus. Why on earth would bother contacting "the holy see" - the head of the Roman Catholic Church - The mainstay of Christianity.

Why no you wouldn't do that would you - you'll just hook up with an obscure christian/islamic sect and write books.

Brilliant strategy, Shasta. :lol:

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Rain, give it a rest...you're beginning to sound pre-teen.

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 Post subject: Re: Koi Pond Attacks and other misunderstandings
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 3:38 pm 
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Rain, give it a rest...you're beginning to sound pre-teen.


& you're starting to sound tired.

Why didn't you contact the Vatican if you supposedly dealing with Tomb of Jesus? Can't you answer a simple question?

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PostPosted: 20 May 2012 4:23 pm 
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WOW...where to begin...?

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 Post subject: Re: Introduction-Looking for Merovingians
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TCP said: It's funny, Sue - back when you and I used to laugh ourselves silly over McGowan's Merovingian bloodline agenda I never could have imagined that your true motivation was to outdo her. Looking back, I should have realized it then. All the signs were there but I never took you for such a shallow, petty, childish, jealousy-ridden hypocrite. THAT was your real problem with her - she was stealing your thunder! She was getting the sort of attention you felt YOU deserved. It's so clear now. She played the game better than you did and it made you crazy.


I know that I am wasting my breadth here...but for the benefit of the sane readers, I will speak up about this topic that haunts TCP so much.. .( why have you brought this up yet again, Tim?) When I read the events about Ben Hammot and the tomb...I see the pain and the sense of betrayal felt by all of you. I feel sad for the whole messy affair..so you will understand how I felt the same sense of betrayal after the McGowan fiasco. So let's start again, since TCP still doesn't 'get it'...and sees all kinds of mid-life crisis (probably his own) that he can't resolve.

I was first informed about McGowan when people realized that she was entering my forum and copying things to her forum..this went on for nearly a year before someone told me about it..but it was worse than that..when I changed my web page to include info about each radio program (I was a guest speaker) a week later she changed her web page to say that she did 'hundreds' of radio shows, too many to mention (that was way back in 2004/05 I think)...when someone quoted the Fortean Times article calling me 'Indiana Sue', she then began telling people on her forum that her nickname was Indiana Kate, and accused me of faking the Fortean Times review. Duh? How could I fake it? .. if she was challenged on any of the obvious copying, then she did just what TCP is doing here....she tried to flip the blame back onto her accusers. She claimed that I was stalking her! That I made 'death threats' (that got her a lot of attention). And that I was posting negative things about her all over the internet and she was in fear of her life! I didn't even know that she had a guestbook being flooded with negative comments, but she blamed me for everything, from bad book reviews to her bad hair days..as though I were stalking her..I dont think she ever mentioned 'Merovingians' or her own genealogy back then, because she didn't know hers...all she had were claims of visions and dreams..

I so wanted a fair court case, one where the ISP's could have been traced, and where S&S were forced to come out in the open about her alleged death threats and canceled tours...if that happened, then S&S could have proven it... I suspect all her bad reviews would have led to someone right here on this forum....but certainly not to me..

Now these may seem like small trivial events, but put a string of a few hundred incidents hurled at me, and it is neither coincidence nor funny. It's downright scary. I felt stalked by her....further, I continued my discussions in my own forum openly about the prospects of getting DNA from a family in Kashmir and from Yuz Asaf..for comparison...it was about the time that the DaVinci Code became popular...when she rushed to NY and promoted herself as the Grail child.....which is fine by me, except that when her book appeared, it contained many elements from my web site and my book in progress. It was a terrible sense of betrayal...much as you are all feeling in the wake of this Ben Hammot stuff. I am human. I do bleed. I was ripped off and I knew it. That's why it was so critical for her to try to pass some blame back onto me....it's a typical ploy of people who get caught in their own lies...

Now, during several years of allowing things to simmer down, I spent every day thinking about my own book. My original hopes and my original ideas had been dashed by McGowan...and so had the lives of a family in Kashmir...now I had to pull it all together in a fresh new way... the 'Merovingian' element is crucial to connecting the Introduction with the Chapter on Cultural Terrorism...it has little to do with me personally, and nothing to do with my ego-gratification. It is about the historical perspective, a cultural war that has lasted 1400 years, since Charles Martel and the Merovingians fought to save France from the invading Muslim armies who had just defeated Spain. It is also a question about why do we even care for old stones and old bones? What is the drive that makes anyone want to connect with their ancestors? These are critical topics that I explored in my book. As you can see from my posts here...I often ask general questions about DNA: does it have 'memory'? Can memories from our past remain in our DNA to reappear within some future child's memories? These are general questions and people respond with some very interesting ideas..none of this was ever personally about me..it just so happens that I have DNA too! Any study of DNA will include me as well as you...It's all about generalizations...I have always made that clear.

There are 2,000 year old tombs that are barely surviving now. The threats to their destruction are imminent. The tombs of the Biblical Abraham, Sarah, Leah, and others may soon be lost forever. We cannot stop the flow of time. But we can at least get the DNA before all is lost....the tomb of Joseph the Patriarch has already been viciously and violently destroyed, just like the Bamiyan Buddha. I was there and these events left a powerful impact on me. ..I wanted to describe these events so you knew what was coming for other tombs around the world, including the Roza Bal in Kashmir.

If we can just get this ancient DNA , this will correct a lot of historical and religious misinformation.....DNA is routinely being collected from ancient sites....all I have suggested is that we add these Biblical sites to our growing data base...there has even been renewed interest in getting DNA from the Shroud of Turin...If these matters were not so important. then why bother?

I am proud of the book I wrote....It took a tremendous amount of research and discovery and trying to determine what to include, and what to put aside..as much of the information is very new to the west.

the information IS relevant to you on this forum. It could change the course of many of your inquiries ...such as about Magdalene. You may be surprised what the east had to say about this! But at least give it a chance to be heard...

This isn't about me and McGowan.....she did what she did. She is what she is. I'm over it. In fact, I often chuckle about it...grateful that it wasn't me throwing myself out there making foolish and wild claims connected to dreams and arch angels..She only ever mentioned DNA lomg after I had made a Project of the quest for DNA from ancient tombs.

like Tim always said, list the references, cite the sources...and that took more years of hard work (because I am not living in India anymore, where much of the sources remain, nor do I have acces to the translators that I needed).

You may agree with the conclusions, or not. That's OK with me. I have taken my stand in this world and written about what upsets me the most after years of living with terrorism and religious fanatics. That's what my book is really about.. I was grateful for Richard Webster's review....because he 'got it' he understood what the priorities are, to what purpose I felt this book had to be written.

Shasta


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 Post subject: Re: Introduction-Looking for Merovingians
PostPosted: 20 May 2012 6:50 pm 
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I had no ulterior motives except to help out Andrew because I felt truly sorry for him..


So launching into full-on promotion of the Roza Bal tomb was intended to soothe Andrew's distress over the Hammott tomb hoax?

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Well, Tim's questions were way out in left field and not at all relevant to me, my book, or any tombs that I was aware of. How could I "answer" him?


By telling me to read your book, apparently. One minute you're saying the answers are in the book, the next minute you're saying the questions have nothing to do with the book. Just a tad inconsistent, don't you think?

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Further, he made regular character assassination attacks on me. They have nothing to do with the topic of my book...yet he demands "answers"..that are not even possible nor pertinent. Then he accuses me of "avoiding" answering him..
That's just not fair on so many counts..


Spartacus has already taken the liberty of answering on your behalf, with a direct quote from your book. Thank goodness that someone who was in a position to do so finally spoke up.

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No, your intelligence was not attacked....however Tim's methods have been...and you have completely misrepresented and misunderstood why I returned here to actively post again..Had it gone more pleasantly, I am sure others would have returned too...but that wont happen now..and not for a long time..


Gawd, how DARE I persist in asking direct questions prompted by the material you've posted HERE? How sinister! And now I've got Rain under a hypnotic spell doing my bidding!

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PostPosted: 20 May 2012 6:55 pm 
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And it doesn't have anything to do with Tim's PM's and comments and character assassinations both on and off this forum?
? Hmmm I must be really really BAD.


1. The only PMs I ever sent you were in response to PMs you'd sent me, and I requested you stop sending them. I replied to the last one by copying/pasting it onto a thread with a public request that anything you say to me be in full view of the other members of this forum.

2. I haven't mentioned a word about you or any of this on other forums.

3. You're doing a pretty damned good job of assassinating you own character without help from me.

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PostPosted: 20 May 2012 7:01 pm 
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we've got the point...just cut it out the pair of you.


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Don't kid yourself, Sue. If it was anyone other than me calling you out Roger would be cheering them on. You're just a useful tool, a convenient vehicle through which he can vent his spleen for old resentments that have nothing to do with you or your Merovingian lounge act. In fact he must be having to swallow hard at the thought of tag-teaming with someone he'd otherwise be ridiculing himself.

Well put. :)


Thank you. :D

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we've got the point...just cut it out the pair of you.


It might be fair to say you have 'got the point', Sheila. Perhaps not everybody else has, however. IMHO Tim's requests for Suzanne Olsson to support her claims made here are reasonable, and could be of considerable interest to some forum members. Suzanne Olsson's attempts to portray Tim as a cyber stalker are, however, completely unfair IMHO. I think you should take that into account...

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doesn't matter, i'm not following this thread but just cut it out the lot of you, there is no need for it, as i said before..... "Subject matter aside...writing any book with the quantity of research that this work seems to possess, is no mean feat.... and for that alone, i congratulate her."


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Hi Shasta,

I purchased your book 'Jesus in Kashmir, The Lost Tomb: New Evidence in Support of the Life and Death of Jesus in India' (Second Revised Edition New York 2010) in July 2010. I read it and highlighted those parts which would be of interest to my own research, which focuses on how the Priory of Sion narrative has evolved after the last six decades? Part of my study therefore involves the various 'Jesus Bloodline' claimants who have appeared since the publication of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'.

I think it may be worth quoting your book, considering your discussion with Tim from earlier in the thread:


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Oh, wait...wait, wait, wait, wait wait...we're staring to get some clarity now...a pattern is forming...

Going back to your first link - the only one that has any des Marets genealogical data in it - I notice the names of the lords of this particular Norman seigneurie: Baldwin I des Marets (c.1076-c.1140), Baldwin II des Marets (c. 1113-c.1145), Baldwin III des Marets (c.1144-?), Baldwin IV des Marets (c.1184-1239), Baldwin V des Marets (c.1216-?), etc. etc.

You aren't by any chance conflating this line of Seigneurs des Marets, who did participate in the Crusades and were given land in the Crusader states, with the actual Kings of Jerusalem, i.e. Baldwin de Boulogne (Baldwin I, 1100–1118), Baldwin du Bourg (Baldwin II, 1118–1131), Baldwin d'Anjou (Baldwin III, 1143–1162), Baldwin d'Anjou (Baldwin IV, 1174–1185), Baldwin de Montferrat (Baldwin V, 1183–1186), are you?

Oh, Sue, say it isn't so! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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And once again, I advise you that you look pretty silly here...you keep emphasizing things that are not a part of my book....ignoring those who have actually read it and contradict you...


So, instead of 'ignoring those who have actually read it and contradict you', I think Tim may be onto something :lol: . This is from page 3 of the edition mentioned above:

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Godfrey de Bouillon and his brother Baldwin Des Marets are best known for their roles in the First Crusades in 1095. Baldwin was crowned 'First King of Jerusalem' on Christmas Day, 1100. In 1663, one of his descendents, David Des Marets, landed on the shores of America, founding the town of Demarest, which became the birthplace of his American progeny. These were my grandfathers.


Just as I suspected - thank you Spart! I guess Sue took a gamble on the fact that I'd never buy a copy of the book and check it out myself. I'm sure she wasn't counting on someone else doing so - someone who hadn't received a free copy directly from her, that is.

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Shasta, this is not an advert platform. It is a forum for discussion. Just as you have supporters here, such as Roger, Richard, and perhaps others, you also have detractors who question the validity of your claims. You had no problem welcoming and endorsing the support of Richard and Roger. But those people who disbelieve your claim to be descended from Jesus (or, what do you call yourself, the real Grail Child?) also have a right to express that disbelief! They simply ask you to present evidence in support of the claims you are making. This is perfectly reasonable considering the slew of nut jobs and chancers who have cottoned on to the incredible levels of credulity 'out there' and have decided that their best way to ego-gratification is to pretend to be someone 'important'. The Priory of Sion genre, after all is said and done, evolved and developed from just such a person, Pierre Plantard. Therefore, the legitimacy of the various claims made by you and others who claim they are descended from Jesus IS subject to scrutiny on a forum such as this. You even say so yourself:

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We have to establish parameters for all claimants. We have to work this out with science and research. This is what the DNA of God Project is all about.


Fair enough, I agree totally! So why do you react with such histrionic performances when you are asked for evidence to support your claim that you are descended from Jesus, or in other words, have the DNA of God?!

IMHO trying to shift the focus from the legitimacy of your 'Jesus Bloodline' claims by claiming that Tim is stalking you is a particularly poor show :roll:


She got some degree of mileage out of it so long as nobody else spoke up.

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doesn't matter, i'm not following this thread but just cut it out the lot of you, there is no need for it, as i said before..... "Subject matter aside...writing any book with the quantity of research that this work seems to possess, is no mean feat.... and for that alone, i congratulate her."


Even if it contains falsified information for which she went through endless contortions to try to deflect scrutiny? And now, apparently, you are as well? "Subject matter aside"? Come now, Sheila.

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Hey TCP, nothing personal....as i said, i'm not following this thread and i certainly know nothing about the subject matter, but.... there seems to be a lot of heavyweights lined up against the lass and i don't think that's fair....just chill for a bit, because you know darned well that people are following your moves and snapping at her heels and that, in my book, is just not on.


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I was typing the detailed response below while the above posts were being made...

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Gawd, how DARE I persist in asking direct questions prompted by the material you've posted HERE? How sinister! And now I've got Rain under a hypnotic spell doing my bidding!

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Yup...You are one bad character Tim...obvious in the way you keep twisting these conversations to suit your super-delux Mall Cop mentality.......this is not serious interest or research on your part.....your only intent is character assassination. You made that clear from day one when you said that I should not have brought the Merovingian connections into my own book...that I was trying to compete with or outdue KMG, that I was "jealous" .....and so you, dear little mall cop man...is gonna set it all right. I recall a few years back that you and Coppins were friends...I suspect you still are in touch with him on some forum or Facebook....

Tim, for starters, let's make a distinction here, shall we?
There is a Wiki page that spoke of the three claimants to the title of Grail child.. persons who have publicly claimed to be from a Jesus bloodline my name is notably absent- wonder why?):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_bloodline

1. Basharat Saleem, the late Kashmiri caretaker of the Martyr's Tomb of Yuz Asaf in Srinagar.
2. Michel Roger Lafosse, a Belgian false pretender to the throne of the former Kingdom of Scotland.
3. Kathleen McGowan, an American author, lyricist, screenwriter
1. Bashrat Saleem (also known as Bashrat Shaheen) is the man in Kashmir (now deceased and believed murdered) who had the genealogy scroll he claims went directly back to Jesus and Marjan (not Magdalene). This is who I was working with in Kashmir and it was his granddaughter who might have been touted as the 'Grail child" had McGowan not read about her on my forum and beat her to it. My research and my journey centering around Kashmir goes back to about 1997-98. At that time in New Zealand, L.G. and his web mistress became friends with me and sent L.G.'s book 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail when it was published. It was very exciting to see Merovingians and mention of some of my own ancestors...L.G. and I had numerous emails through the years. I had no way to check his book or research....but I can say that although he never agreed with the Jesus in India tomb, he was always supportive of the direction my own research was taking me. Now I don't give two hoots if you want to blast his name to hell and back.. I will neither bad mouth him nor go along with anyone who does. He was the one who advised me to try to research and grant money with Nat Geo......I sent several letters to them, and made two appearances at their Washington offices.....but I could not make any guarantees about the situation there, which was terrible at that time (right after 9-11)....so let's move on to the next claimant. Oh! Before I do, I want to emphasize that the claimant in Kashmir never intended to write a book, never took a dime, never stole or removed an artifact from the tomb, was involved in several local court cases to support his claim, and won them, and he risked his life to save the tomb. His claims to be descended from Yuz Asaf have never been disproved. Only the DNA can prove that claim..

2. Michel Roger Lafosse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Roger_Lafosse

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The Royal House of Stuart became extinct in the male line with the death in 1807 of Henry Benedict Stuart, called "King Henry IX" by Jacobites, who succeeded his elder brother Charles Edward Stuart in 1788. Charles was survived only by an illegitimate daughter, Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany. The Jacobite claim then passed to members of various continental Catholic dynasties, most recently to Franz, Duke of Bavaria, head of the Wittelsbach dynasty.

Lafosse claims that this history is inaccurate and that the Stuart line did not end with the death of Henry Benedict Stuart. Instead, Lafosse says that Charles Edward Stuart secretly obtained a papal annulment of his marriage to Princess Louise of Stolberg-Gedern, and subsequently, in a secret ceremony, married a woman called Marguerite O'Dea d'Audibert de Lussan, Comtesse de Massillan. He says this union produced an heir in 1786, a son, Edward James Stuart, Count Stuarton, Count of Albany, from whom he says he is descended.

Lafosse says he is the son of "HRH Princess Renee Stewart, Lady Derneley" (according to Lafosse, the senior descendant in the female line of Edward James Stuart), and "Gustave Lafosse de Chatry, 5th Baron de Chatry". These individuals, as well as others, are listed in an extensive genealogy presented by Lafosse as evidence that he is descended from the last Stuart King of Scotland.

There is some disagreement over who Lafosse's parents and ancestors were. Lafosse says he was born on 21 April 1958 in the Ville de Bruxelles district, and that his parents were Baron Gustave Joseph Fernand Clément Lafosse and Princess Renée Julienne Stewart. In 2002, Brussels authorities stated that this certificate is a forgery, and that they have a birth certificate showing that Lafosse was born in Brussels on 21 April 1958, in the Watermael-Boitsfort district to Gustave Joseph Clément Fernand Lafosse, a shopkeeper, and Renée Julienne Dée, a business employee.

Peter Piniski, in The Stuarts' Last Secret, says of Lafosse's assertion:

One recent, heroically unsubstantiated claim is that Prince Charles married in 1785 and fathered a legitimate child. This 'fact' (which has escaped the notice of every historian for over two hundred years!), is particularly imaginative considering the prince was married at the time, being only separated from Louise von Stolberg-Gedern, after April 3rd 1784, who remained under the protection of the Pope. Nor was eighteenth century Rome the best of cities for an internationally known Roman Catholic prince to commit bigamy. It also ignores Charles' wretchedly infirm condition from before that date until his death three years later. Likewise does it ignore the presence (and insult the memory) of Charles' daughter and sole heir, Charlotte, who was daily at her father's side, nursing him right up to the moment of his death despite her own cancer. Professing direct descent on the female line from this 'marriage' the same claimant equally fails to provide any evidence, proper references or verifiable source documents for his additional assertion of descent on the male line from not one, but both daughters of Charlotte Stuart. Professor Lenman describes all of this as: 'The industry of Stuart charlatanism'.

Lafosse has also stated that he was "President of the European Council of Princes", following Archduke Otto of Austria's tenure in that position. Archduke Otto has said that he had never been president of any such body, or a member of any such body, and that, in fact, he had never heard of it.


I know that L.G. was also involved in this.....but I have the feeling from what little he told me that felt kinda duped and taken in, much the same way that you might have been when you sought your own 'Coat of Arms'. I simply don't know the full story. I only know that La Fosse made a very deliberate attempt to falsify his past in order to make future claims, in order to enrich himself through this falsehood. It was a consciously contrived fraud, no accident or poor research...

3.) Kathleen McGowan http://www.religionnewsblog.com/15338/kathleen-mcgowan-the-da-vinci-descendant
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Although she claims she wrote The Expected One as fiction, she also claims that it is really about her, and she really is the Grail child..
Academics are highly skeptical of claims that Mary Magdalene traveled to France and that she and Jesus had a child. Bart Ehrman, chair of the department of religious studies at the University of North Carolina and author of Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend, said: “You can survey anyone who is a scholar of early Christianity and they will tell you the same thing – it’s completely bogus. There are no records. We have no account of Mary Magdalene even going to France until the Middle Ages and the legend about her going to France sprung up because there was a cult to Mary Magdalene in southern France.”

Ms McGowan’s claim to be descended from a child of Mary and Jesus is outlined in the afterword to what she says is a partly autobiographical novel.

She has offered no proof of her heritage but said she had traced it to an ancient French lineage that claimed to trace its roots to the pair.
However, although she promised proof, and she alluded to 'secret scrolls' (see Bashrat Shaheen above for where she got that idea) no proof and no scrolls were ever forthcoming..she has always been regarded as a fraud seeking publicity and money...making deliberate fabrications...Now please recall Tim, that at the time a whole slew of supporting evidence fro others came out...her problems with claims to the Linda Goodman files...her problems with several other writing/publishing attempts...plus other issues of credulity such as claiming that she was an ordained minister to her publishers, and yet admitting on Facebook that she "ordained" herself one night in the moonlight...err....ahem....and this is legal 'religious freedom' in the USA..(by the way, we are not friends on Facebook...I get the occasional post from others who are).

I have never made fraudulent claims...if I err about the lineage because all those Merovingian Des Marets ancestors are confusing to me, that is an honest error, not a deliberate fraud... If I investigate the claims made by others about my family lineage, that is not self serving publicity, nor ego driven dillusion....that is an honest attempt to find out what the heck is going on!

Tim, you have been so very unfair about all this...You have tried to twist this around into some hideous agenda that you 'think' I have, whether jealousy, ego, revenge, publicity. Wrong on all counts. If I am out to lie or commit fraud here, then I am the dumbest of the dumb! I have stumbled more than succeeded, I would say. I have failed. All these years and all these words are wasted....You could never beat me up as much as I beat myself up over how badly I've handled all this. But that doesn't make me a fraud or a liar....

Shasta

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Rain, give it a rest...you're beginning to sound pre-teen.


& you're starting to sound tired.

Why didn't you contact the Vatican if you supposedly dealing with Tomb of Jesus? Can't you answer a simple question?



IMHO, that is the last place I would go if I found a Tomb of Jesus.

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Hi Shasta,

I purchased your book 'Jesus in Kashmir, The Lost Tomb: New Evidence in Support of the Life and Death of Jesus in India' (Second Revised Edition New York 2010) in July 2010. I read it and highlighted those parts which would be of interest to my own research, which focuses on how the Priory of Sion narrative has evolved after the last six decades? Part of my study therefore involves the various 'Jesus Bloodline' claimants who have appeared since the publication of 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'.

I think it may be worth quoting your book, considering your discussion with Tim from earlier in the thread:


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Oh, wait...wait, wait, wait, wait wait...we're staring to get some clarity now...a pattern is forming...

Going back to your first link - the only one that has any des Marets genealogical data in it - I notice the names of the lords of this particular Norman seigneurie: Baldwin I des Marets (c.1076-c.1140), Baldwin II des Marets (c. 1113-c.1145), Baldwin III des Marets (c.1144-?), Baldwin IV des Marets (c.1184-1239), Baldwin V des Marets (c.1216-?), etc. etc.

You aren't by any chance conflating this line of Seigneurs des Marets, who did participate in the Crusades and were given land in the Crusader states, with the actual Kings of Jerusalem, i.e. Baldwin de Boulogne (Baldwin I, 1100–1118), Baldwin du Bourg (Baldwin II, 1118–1131), Baldwin d'Anjou (Baldwin III, 1143–1162), Baldwin d'Anjou (Baldwin IV, 1174–1185), Baldwin de Montferrat (Baldwin V, 1183–1186), are you?

Oh, Sue, say it isn't so! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Suzanne Olsson wrote:
And once again, I advise you that you look pretty silly here...you keep emphasizing things that are not a part of my book....ignoring those who have actually read it and contradict you...


So, instead of 'ignoring those who have actually read it and contradict you', I think Tim may be onto something :lol: . This is from page 3 of the edition mentioned above:

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Godfrey de Bouillon and his brother Baldwin Des Marets are best known for their roles in the First Crusades in 1095. Baldwin was crowned 'First King of Jerusalem' on Christmas Day, 1100. In 1663, one of his descendents, David Des Marets, landed on the shores of America, founding the town of Demarest, which became the birthplace of his American progeny. These were my grandfathers.


Just as I suspected - thank you Spart! I guess Sue took a gamble on the fact that I'd never buy a copy of the book and check it out myself. I'm sure she wasn't counting on someone else doing so - someone who hadn't received a free copy directly from her, that is.

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Shasta, this is not an advert platform. It is a forum for discussion. Just as you have supporters here, such as Roger, Richard, and perhaps others, you also have detractors who question the validity of your claims. You had no problem welcoming and endorsing the support of Richard and Roger. But those people who disbelieve your claim to be descended from Jesus (or, what do you call yourself, the real Grail Child?) also have a right to express that disbelief! They simply ask you to present evidence in support of the claims you are making. This is perfectly reasonable considering the slew of nut jobs and chancers who have cottoned on to the incredible levels of credulity 'out there' and have decided that their best way to ego-gratification is to pretend to be someone 'important'. The Priory of Sion genre, after all is said and done, evolved and developed from just such a person, Pierre Plantard. Therefore, the legitimacy of the various claims made by you and others who claim they are descended from Jesus IS subject to scrutiny on a forum such as this. You even say so yourself:

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We have to establish parameters for all claimants. We have to work this out with science and research. This is what the DNA of God Project is all about.


Fair enough, I agree totally! So why do you react with such histrionic performances when you are asked for evidence to support your claim that you are descended from Jesus, or in other words, have the DNA of God?!

IMHO trying to shift the focus from the legitimacy of your 'Jesus Bloodline' claims by claiming that Tim is stalking you is a particularly poor show :roll:


She got some degree of mileage out of it so long as nobody else spoke up.

TCP


My apologies for my tardiness in doing so. I find Olsson incorrigible. As such, I generally ignore her posts, so I wasn't up to speed.

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wayward said IMHO, that is the last place (the Vatican) I would go if I found a Tomb of Jesus.




Thanks wayward I needed that smile just about now....consider yourself hugged.

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Sheila wrote:
Hey TCP, nothing personal....as i said, i'm not following this thread and i certainly know nothing about the subject matter, but.... there seems to be a lot of heavyweights lined up against the lass and i don't think that's fair....just chill for a bit, because you know darned well that people are following your moves and snapping at her heels and that, in my book, is just not on.


:lol: seems to be a few lining up for 'the lass'... you, Roger, Richard, and I think Wayward is thinking of jumping on board! This could be a battle for ages, pedantic analysers versus nomadic free-associators...

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