Basically the thread about the Order of the Fleur de Lys came about after reading a curious passage in the 1996 postscript to HBHG, about the Montgomery family. There was one claim from a Montgomery source about a text in the family papers which mentioned a Yeshua ben Joseph marrying a Miriam of Bethany, a priestess of a female cult. If I mind right Roscoe had a few comments aboot this. But set this aside most of the Montgomery passage was a list of grandmasters of the Order of the Fleur de Lys.
And here they are !
Grandmasters of the Order of the Fleur de Lys
1439 -1480 Rene d' Anjou
1480 -1485 Ludovico Sforza, Duke of Milan
1485 - 1508 Rene II de Lorraine
1508 - 1527 Charles de Montspensier, Connetable de Bourbon
1527 - 1556 Ferrante de Gonzaga
1556 - 1572 Hugh Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Eglinton
1572 - 1585 David de Seton
1585 - 1595 Robert de Saint-Clair
1595 - 1640 Charles de Guise, Duke of Lorraine
1640 - 1675 Henri de la Tour Bouillon
1675 - 1689 John Graham of Claverhouse, Viscount Dundee
1689 - 1715 Hugh Montgomery of Mount-Alexander
1716 - 1730 John Erskine of Mar
1730 - 1746 Charles Radclyffe, Earl of Derwentwater
1746 - 1757 John Erskine of Mar
1757 - 1768 Alexander Montgomery, 10th Earl of Eglinton
1768 - 1800 Maximillian von Habsburg
1800 - 1815 Hugh Montgomery of Grey Abbey
1815 - 1825 George Beaumont
1825 - 1838 Robert Montgomery of Comber
1838 - 1862 Archibald Montgomerie, 13th Earl of Eglinton and 1st Earl of Winton
1862 - 1875 Louis Napoleon
1875 - 1900 Robert Dundee of Braxfield
1900 - 1914 Robert Hamilton of Hamilton
1914 - Leopold, King of the Belgians.
The first thing you must realise about this list, is that it's as genuine as the list of PoS grandmasters. But that said, like the PoS grandmaster list a fair bit of research had gone into it's composition. I'm going to add notes on the various grandmasters - some of who were also Grandmasters of the Priory of Sion (allegedly
). I thought it was bogus as soon as I saw Graham of Claverhouse's name included. Also what strikes the reader, as far as the British grandmasters are concerned is that quite a lot of them were either Jacobites or Tories.
Anyway, the notes (what I can remember
Rene d' Anjou - 'Good King Rene' needs little introduction, save that he was also - allegedly - GM for the PoS.
Ludovico Sforza, Duke of Milan, enemy of the Borgias during his time as GM he was regent of Milan. He also commissioned Leonardo (another PoS GM) to paint The Last Supper.
Rene II de Lorraine - Duke of Lorraine and grandson of 'Good King Rene'
Charles de Montspensier, Connetable de Bourbon - another PoS GM and his sister married into the Lorraine family, and Charles III , Duke of Bourbon. Through his mother he was grandson of Federico I Gonzaga, Marquess of Mantua - the Gonzagas were allies of the Sforzas. Charles was Commander of the Imperial troops at the siege of Rome in 1527. His death (murder ?) at the siege led directly to the city being sacked.
Ferrante de Gonzaga - cousin of Charles III of Bourbon, and took command of the Imperial army in Italy after Charles' death. Another alleged PM of the PoS, though the date of his actual death - 1557 -was queried in HBHG
Hugh Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Eglinton - son of John Montgomerie, Master of Eglinton, and grandson of the 1st Earl. According to the list the 2nd Earl was PM between 1556 and 1572, his actual death took place in 1546 ! This earl married Mariot Seton, daughter of George, 3rd Lord Seton in either 1530 or 1531
David de Seton - unknown to me. The Setons are a family from East Lothian with no clan chief as such, but the family heads became Lords of Winton ( East Lothian lands), a title which would later be absorbed by the Eglinton Montgomeries .
Robert de Saint-Clair - no idea, perhaps a link to the Orkney- Rosslyn Sinclairs ?
Charles de Guise, Duke of Lorraine - eldest son of Henry I, Duke of Guise (cousin of Mary, Queen of Scots) and grandson of Francis de Lorraine, Duke of Guise. I can't find anything about this Charles being Duke of Lorraine.
Henri de la Tour Bouillon - Actually Henri de la Tour d' Auvergne, Vicomte de Turrene , a Marshal General of France and a brilliant soldier. His mother was daughter of William I (the Silent), Prince of Orange.
John Graham of Claverhouse, Viscount Dundee - this is the most unlikely candidate, when Claverhouse accordin g to the list became GM , he was at the time on the continent a captain in the army of (irony of ironies) William III. Claverhouse was an ardent supporter of the Stuarts and died fighting the Williamite army at Killiekrankie in 1689. Some would have us believe a Templar cross was found on his body..utter nonsense !
Hugh Montgomerie of Mount-Alexander - one of the Ulster Montgomeries I presume he was the 2nd Earl of Mount-Alexander who died in 1717
John Erskine of Mar - I can presume that this is 'Bobbing John', 11th Earl of Mar and blunderer-in-chief of the 1715 Rising
Charles Radclyffe, Earl of Derwentwater - another Jacobite lader of the '15 Rising. Condemned to death for teason and beheaded in 1746. Oh and he was also a GM of the PoS !
John Erskine of Mar - a mystery. It couldn't be 'Bobbing John again as he died in 1732. Bobbing John was attained for treason and forfeited his earldom. It was recovered for the family by John Francis Erskine, great-nephew of Bobbing John. However John Francis Erskine would've been only 4 years old when he allegedly became GM of the Order of the Fleur de Lis !
Alexander Montgomery, 10th Earl of Eglinton - Another Eglinton Montgomery, he was also a high courtier for George III. He was murdered by an excise officer.
Maximilian von Habsburg - aka Maximilian de Lorraine, Archbishop-Elector of Cologne, son of Maria Theresa and the Holy Roman Emperor Francis I. He was also Grandmaster of the Teutonic Knights...and GM of the Priory of Sion (allegedly !)
Hugh Montgomery of Grey Abbey - another of the Ulster Montgomeries, probably the Reverend Hugh Montgomery, born 1754, he fled Ireland being a supporter of the United Irishmen rebellion of 1789. Died 1815, buried at Grey Abbey on the Ards peninsula.
George Beaumont - Sir George Howland Beaumont, 7th Baronet. Prior to becoming GM of the OFdL he was a Tory MP in Devon. One of the creators of the National Gallery in London, it didn't prevent him of being a vehement critic of the paintings of J.M.W. Turner.
Robert Montgomery of Comber - another of the Ulster Montgomerys
Archibald Montgomery, 13th Earl of Eglinton and Earl of Wintoun, a title which had originally belonged to his Seton kinsmen. He was a Staunch Tory and twice became Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He is remembered for the Eglinton Tournament of 1839, a pseudo-medieval games, which had planned for 4,000 spectators - approximately 100,000 turned up, and resulted in the Earl going £30,000 out of pocket.
Louis Napoleon - later Emperor Napoleon III, he was one of the aristocratic guests at the Eglinton Tournament.
Robert Dundee of Braxfield. - I have no idea. Perhaps he was a relation of Lord Braxfield (Robert MacQueen) 1722- 1799, Scotland's very own 'hanging judge' ?
Robert Hamilton of Hamilton - Likewise no idea. I'm doubtful of the title as the aristocratic Hamilton family have the surname Douglas-Hamilton.
Leopold III, King of the Belgians.He died in 1983, he was also Knight of the Order of the Golden Fleece and Knight of the Garter. He would have been just fourteen when he supposedly became GM of the OFdL ! He abdicated the Belgian crown in 1950.
If I mind right some dude called Hugh Montgomery is present G of the Order of the Fleur de Lys (for what it's worth !), and I remember contributors to the original thread TCP and Roger going on about some Serbian dame or princess or whatever.
Now I'm going to print this in case it disappears !