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PostPosted: 24 Sep 2009 12:09 pm 
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Mr Bland said the hoard - thought to date back to between 675 and 725AD - was unearthed in what was once the Kingdom of Mercia. "I think wealth of this kind must have belonged to a king but we cannot say that for absolute certain," the expert told Mr Haigh.

A king of Mercia perhaps, living 675 - 725AD:

Wulfhere (son of Penda) 658-675
Aethelred I (brother of Wulfhere) 675-704
Coenred (son of Wulfhere) 704-709
Coelred (son of Aethelred) 709-716
Coelwald 716 (son of Aetherlred)
Aethelbald (son of Alwih) 716-757


Penda c.626–655 Son of Pybba. Raised Mercia to dominant status amongst the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. Last pagan ruler of Mercia. Killed in battle by Oswiu of Northumbria. 15 November 655

Eowa c.635–642 Son of Pybba. Co-ruler. Killed in battle. 5 August 642
Peada c.653–656 Son of Penda. Co-ruler in the south-east Midlands. Murdered. 17 April 656

Oswiu of Northumbria 655–658 Briefly took direct control of Mercia after the death of Penda. Also King of Northumbria (655–670). 15 February 670

Wulfhere 658–675 Son of Penda. Restored Mercian dominance in England. First Christian king of all Mercia. 675

Æthelred I 675–704 Son of Penda. Abdicated and retired to a monastery at Bardney. 716

Cœnred 704–709 Son of Wulfhere. Abdicated and retired to Rome. ?
Ceolred 709–716 Son of Æthelred I. Probably poisoned. 716
Ceolwald 716 Presumed son of Æthelred I (may not have existed). 716
Æthelbald 716–757 Grandson of Eowa. Proclaimed himself King of Britain in 736. Murdered by his bodyguards.

Æthelred (pronounced /ˈæθəlrɛd/) (died after 704) was King of Mercia from 675 until 704. He was the son of Penda of Mercia and came to the throne in 675, when his brother, Wulfhere of Mercia, died. Within a year of his accession he invaded Kent, where his armies destroyed the city of Rochester. In 679 he defeated his brother-in-law, Ecgfrith of Northumbria, at the Battle of the Trent: the battle was a major setback for the Northumbrians, and effectively ended their military involvement in English affairs south of the Humber. It also permanently returned the kingdom of Lindsey to Mercia's possession. However, Æthelred was unable to re-establish his predecessors' domination of southern Britain.

He was known as a pious and religious king, and made many grants of land to the church. It was during his reign that Theodore, the Archbishop of Canterbury, reorganized the church's diocesan structure, creating several new sees in Mercia and Northumbria. Æthelred befriended Bishop Wilfrid of York when Wilfrid was expelled from his see in Northumbria; Æthelred made Wilfrid Bishop of the Middle Angles during his exile, and supported him at the synod of Austerfield in about 702, when Wilfrid argued his case for the return of the ecclesiastical lands he had been deprived of in Northumbria.

Æthelred's wife, Osthryth, was a daughter of King Oswiu, one of the dominant seventh-century Northumbrian kings. Osthryth was murdered in unknown circumstances in 697, and in 704 Æthelred abdicated, leaving the throne to Wulfhere's son Coenred. Æthelred became a monk at Bardney, a monastery which he had founded with his wife, and was buried there. Ceolred, who was Æthelred's son (though apparently not by Osthryth), became king after Coenred; it is also possible that Æthelred had another son named Ceolwald who was briefly king before Ceolred.


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PostPosted: 25 Sep 2009 11:51 am 
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A little more on the discovery of the Anglo Saxon treasure cache in Staffordshire, this article by John Preston from today's UK Telegraph looks at this latest find in the context of the 1939 Sutton Hoo affair, which did so much to change perceptions about the so-called Dark Ages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... uried.html


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From the Associated Press:

Israel displays coins from ancient Jewish revolt

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JERUSALEM — Israel displayed for the first time Wednesday a collection of rare coins charred and burned from the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple nearly 2,000 years ago.
About 70 coins were found in an excavation at the foot of a key Jerusalem holy site. They give a rare glimpse into the period of the Jewish revolt that eventually led to the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple in A.D. 70, said Hava Katz, curator of the exhibition.


Here's the link to the article by Michael Barajas. It includes a photo of one of the coins - dated to AD69 and bearing a palm tree motif - that one can blow up to a larger size.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9BTH3CO0


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PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 12:55 pm 
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From the UK Telegraph.

Flowers Found in Bronze Age Grave
Grieving relatives have been leaving flowers beside the graves of their loved ones for at least 4,000 years, archeologists have found.

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A bunch of meadowsweet blossoms were discovered in a Bronze Age grave at Forteviot, south of Perth.
The find is reported in the journal "British Archaeology", out this week.
Pollen found in earlier digs had been thought to have come from honey, or the alcoholic drink mead but the latest find may rule that theory out.
Dr Kenneth Brophy, from the University of Glasgow, said the flowers "don't look very much. Just about three or four millimetres across."
"But these are the first proof that people in the Bronze Age were actually placing flowers in with burials."
The dark brown heads were found, along with a clump of organic material which archaeologists now say is the stems of the flowers.
The bunch had been placed by the head of the high-status individual known to have been buried in the grave.
Diggers also found pieces from a birch bark coffin in the grave, and a bronze dagger with a gold hilt band.
"In burials we're used to finding metalwork", said Dr Brophy.
"But to find these very human touches is something very rare, if not unique. It brings it home to you that what you're looking at is not just a series of abstract remains, but actually these are people that you're dealing with."
The finds all come from a bronze age grave - or cist - excavated by the Universities of Aberdeen and Glasgow.
The site was marked by an avenue of oak posts, and large earthworks.
More digs are planned in the area next year, when archaeologists will try to confirm if a sandstone slab found nearby was part of a stone circle.
The excavations are all part of the Strathearn Environs and Royal Forteviot Project (Serf).


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... grave.html


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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 1:13 am 
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Hi Richard,

What is more interesting is the debate about whether Neanderthals placed flowers in graves.

Would be more far reaching .....

I am fascinated continually by the 'big bang' of the human cultural revolution ... led by females .....said to have perhaps occurred 30, 000 years ago ....


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Previously undiscovered ancient city found on Caribbean sea floor....

Researchers have revealed the first images from the Caribbean sea floor of what they believe are the archaeological remains of an ancient civilization.


http://www.heralddeparis.com/previously ... loor/65855


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Sheila wrote:
Previously undiscovered ancient city found on Caribbean sea floor....

Researchers have revealed the first images from the Caribbean sea floor of what they believe are the archaeological remains of an ancient civilization.


http://www.heralddeparis.com/previously ... loor/65855


Interesting story, I liked this line from one of the researchers:
We do believe that this city may have been one of many cities of an advanced, seafaring, trade-based civilization, which may have been visited by their Eurocentric counterparts.

Found a bit more here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... n-Sea.html

But I remember getting my fingers burnt on this one, a while ago, so a little wary:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1618

This one sounds a bit more promising, though.


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PostPosted: 20 Jan 2010 8:09 am 
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From the UK Telegraph:

Oldest Remains of English Royalty Unearthed

The oldest surviving remains of the English Royal family have been unearthed for the first time in more than 500 years, scientists claim.

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Archeologists believe they have discovered the coffin and skeleton of Queen Eadgyth, the sister of King Athelstan and granddaughter of Alfred the Great, who died in 946.
It was thought that her actual remains were lost when they were last moved in 1510 and that a monument built in Magdeburg Cathedral in southern Germany, was a cenotaph in her honour.
But when the tomb was investigated as part of a wider research project, a lead coffin was found inside bearing her name and inside that the nearly complete skeleton of a woman aged between 30 and 40.
Queen Eadgyth, the old spelling of Edith, died aged 36.
Now the University of Bristol are going to carry out tests on the bones to see if they can prove beyond doubt they are those of England's oldest regal ancestor.


The whole Richard Alleyne article can be read here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... rthed.html


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PostPosted: 22 Jan 2010 12:33 am 
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Richard, Do you know much about lead(metal)coffins.I have searched online quite a bit and can not find any info on such things other then they did have them.I am interested in finding out it any type of coffin could last 450 years buried in moist ground and still be intact.Of course a stone or concrete one could but the one I am interested in has a flexible top.If you do not maybe you know somebody who does. Bill

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PostPosted: 22 Jan 2010 8:54 am 
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wayward wrote:
Richard, Do you know much about lead(metal)coffins.I have searched online quite a bit and can not find any info on such things other then they did have them.I am interested in finding out it any type of coffin could last 450 years buried in moist ground and still be intact.Of course a stone or concrete one could but the one I am interested in has a flexible top.If you do not maybe you know somebody who does. Bill


I'm sorry, Bill, I'm afraid I don't. As your time here progresses, you'll discover that I know very little about anything. :wink:

I've heard of lead lined coffins, but not coffins made of lead. Perhaps if you focus more on metallurgical information, rather than that pertaining specifically to coffins, given the evident paucity of data, this might be more fruitful?

Sounds like an interesting line of enquiry, in any event. Best of luck with it.


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Obviously you are not looking very hard Bill......a sealed lead coffin could preserve the body inside indefinitely, arresting the endogenous process of decay...they were used quite widely.

Try page 143 for starters.." The dead and the living in Paris & London"

http://books.google.com/books?id=JCPXfS ... is&f=false


Lead has been used in the construction of coffins in this country since the Roman period.....scroll through this interesting article.

http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata ... 104001.pdf


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Sheila, I thought I had been,but evidently not.Thanks for the info I am sure it will help. Bill

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PostPosted: 22 Jan 2010 11:36 am 
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a pleasure i'm sure...pardon my sarcasm it's worse than my bite!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/319833.stm

and while you're at it.....why not pop over to the Oak Island thread and read about the coffin covered in bitumen that "Will" told us all about :D


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Yeah! I did that last week. Thanks, Bill

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for those out there still interested in lead coffins.....

The crumbling remains of Alfred the Great's granddaughter - a Saxon princess who married one of the most powerful men in Europe - have been unearthed more than 1,000 years after her death.
The almost intact bones of Queen Eadgyth - the early English form of Edith - were discovered wrapped in silk, inside a lead coffin in a German cathedral.

with photos....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ghter.html


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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2010 1:05 am 
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Richard will be to polite but this is why the conversation started on lead coffins, Sheila.
Look familiar.

RICHARD WEBSTER: SEE POST ABOVE

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From the UK Telegraph:

Oldest Remains of English Royalty Unearthed

The oldest surviving remains of the English Royal family have been unearthed for the first time in more than 500 years, scientists claim.


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Archeologists believe they have discovered the coffin and skeleton of Queen Eadgyth, the sister of King Athelstan and granddaughter of Alfred the Great, who died in 946.
It was thought that her actual remains were lost when they were last moved in 1510 and that a monument built in Magdeburg Cathedral in southern Germany, was a cenotaph in her honour.
But when the tomb was investigated as part of a wider research project, a lead coffin was found inside bearing her name and inside that the nearly complete skeleton of a woman aged between 30 and 40.
Queen Eadgyth, the old spelling of Edith, died aged 36.
Now the University of Bristol are going to carry out tests on the bones to see if they can prove beyond doubt they are those of England's oldest regal ancestor.


The whole Richard Alleyne article can be read here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... rthed.html

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PostPosted: 24 Jan 2010 8:51 am 
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thanks Rain....i hadn't read the original post....sorry guys, Richard had already posted it up.....i really musn't stay up past my bedtime.


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Sheila wrote:
thanks Rain....i hadn't read the original post....sorry guys, Richard had already posted it up.....i really musn't stay up past my bedtime.


And I need to learn to pay better attention to my own posts, having on Wednesday posted this:

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But when the tomb was investigated as part of a wider research project, a lead coffin was found inside bearing her name and inside that the nearly complete skeleton of a woman aged between 30 and 40.


And then on Friday written this:

richard.webster wrote:
I've heard of lead lined coffins, but not coffins made of lead.


:roll: :oops:

Less haste, more speed ..... :roll:


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I think we all need a rest. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Not strictly speaking archaeology, more foresnic anthropology, I suppose, but I just came across this.

Leonardo Da Vinci's Remains To Be Exhumed Amid Mona Lisa Self-Portrait Mystery
Scientists hope to exhume the remains of Leonardo da Vinci so they can reconstruct his face to discover whether the Mona Lisa is a disguised self-portrait.

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Scientists and historians from Italy’s National Committee for Cultural Heritage have sought permission to open the artist’s tomb at Amboise Castle in the Loire valley.
While the identity of the Mona Lisa has been debated for centuries, some scholars have suggested that da Vinci may have painted himself as a woman in the masterpiece due to his love of riddles.
Experts believe that if they find the Renaissance painter’s skull, they can recreate his face and compare it to the Mona Lisa.
The Italian research team said talks about the exhumation with French cultural officials and the owners of the chateau have resulted in an agreement in principle.
The project could receive formal permission this summer.


The Murray Wardrop Telegraph article can be read in full here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/ ... stery.html

Sounds like a complete and utter waste of time to me. They should leave him in peace, I think.


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For those in the UK, listening to this on BBC Radio 4 at the moment:

In Pursuit Of Treasure

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Archaeologist and broadcaster Mike Pitts delves into the sometimes murky world of the metal detector, from harmless amateur history buffs to criminal nighthawkers, and discovers how metal detecting is changing our national heritage. He hears stories of in-fighting within the metal detecting community, bust-ups between landowners and detectorists and battles inside the archaeological establishment. Mike hears from the man who found a multi-million pound Saxon hoard and the farmer who has been threatened and attacked for the treasures beneath his farm.


Quite interesting. Should be available on Listen Again through the BBC website shortly, though sadly I think this only works if you're in Britain.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shire.html

A 20p piece is placed next to one of the finds which was right on the surface of the field.



If you follow the link and read the article it includes a picture of an Anglo-Saxon village. Simple huts with thatched roofs, corse looking home-spun clothes.

Now, take the items found in the horde and place them in the picture. Something just doesn't add up.

The home-spun outfits just don't go with the buttons, etc. that were found.

Just one of those things that's been nagging at the back of my wee lil head.

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If you follow the link and read the article it includes a picture of an Anglo-Saxon village. Simple huts with thatched roofs, corse looking home-spun clothes.

Now, take the items found in the horde and place them in the picture. Something just doesn't add up.

The home-spun outfits just don't go with the buttons, etc. that were found.

Just one of those things that's been nagging at the back of my wee lil head.

I believe that one theory is that it was a stash of treasure either stolen or hidden years ago. A good friend of mine used to ride his bike across that field as a child because his house backed on to it. He wishes he was given a metal detector for Christmas :shock:
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From the UK Telegraph:

Bronze Age Shipwreck Found Off Devon Coast
One of the world's oldest shipwrecks has been discovered off the coast of Devon after lying on the seabed for almost 3,000 years.

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The trading vessel was carrying an extremely valuable cargo of tin and hundreds of copper ingots from the Continent when it sank.
Experts say the "incredibly exciting" discovery provides new evidence about the extent and sophistication of Britain's links with Europe in the Bronze Age as well as the remarkable seafaring abilities of the people during the period.
Archaeologists have described the vessel, which is thought to date back to around 900BC, as being a "bulk carrier" of its age.
The copper and tin would have been used for making bronze – the primary product of the period which was used in the manufacture of not only weapons, but also tools, jewellery, ornaments and other items.
Archaeologists believe the copper – and possibly the tin – was being imported into Britain and originated in a number of different countries throughout Europe, rather than from a single source, demonstrating the existence of a complex network of trade routes across the Continent.
Academics at the University of Oxford are carrying out further analysis of the cargo in order to establish its exact origins.


See the whole Jasper Copping article here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... coast.html


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