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 Post subject: The Wicker Man : Symbolism, Sexuality and Subversion
PostPosted: 01 Nov 2009 7:24 pm 
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Robin Hardy's 1973 film, The Wicker Man, gets discussed here from time to time, and a recent re-watching for the first time in a while inspired me to add some thoughts of my own. Though likely of interest only to a small number of us, it's such a fascinating film, in terms of the themes it explores, many of which resonate elsewhere on these boards, that I thought it would be worth reconsidering this classic of British cinema, in the context of what it teaches us about pagan beliefs and their juxtaposition with the modern world.

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Even those who haven't seen this film will likely be familiar with it as a cultural phenomenon, and also with its basic premise. Based upon a now hard to obtain 1967 novel called The Ritual by David Pinner, and scripted for the cinema by Anthony Shaffer, it tells the story of a policeman, Sgt Howie, played by a young Edward Woodward, who travels to a remote island off the west coast of Scotland to investigate the disappearance of young girl. Once there, he discovers a world lost in time, the personal fiefdom of a Lord Summersisle, played by Christopher Lee. Although superficially normal, this is a world that exists outside the conventions of the rest of society, that practices its own version of sexual liberation, that rejects Christianity and holds instead to a set of ancient pagan beliefs, most dramatically manifested in the practice of human sacrifice. In the film's climactic and iconic final scene, Sgt Howie is ceremoniously burnt to death inside a giant wicker man; sacrificed to the pagan gods on May Day, or Beltane, in the hope that this will deliver to the island a plentiful harvest.

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Sgt Howie about to be sacrificed in the wicker man, a ritual that is said to have originated in pre-Christian Gaul

It would be easy to dismiss this film as nothing more than a superior horror flick, a B movie that became an A movie, thanks to a word of mouth reputation that if anything becomes stronger with each passing year, but which, lest one forget, was originally on the undercard of a double bill with Don't Look Now. But is it more than that? To what extent does The Wicker Man represent an expression of the counter-culture of the time, by seeking to challenge and undermine conventional notions of religion, of family, of sexuality, of what constitutes civic society? Is this pulp cinema, or is this subversive cinema?

In teasing this out, there are three main themes we should consider - symbolism, sexuality and subversion.

The film deploys an array of symbols - sometimes easily identifiable to this viewer as pagan, sometimes less so - throughout its running time, from the sun disc flag that flies above the harbour, and the eye painted on the boat bobbing by the quayside that greet Sgt Howie on his arrival, through to the antlers worn on the heads of those who put him to death at the end. In fact, antlers are a recurring theme, also hanging in abundance in the home of Lord Summersisle, and the significance of this symbol has been referred to by Roscoe elsewhere on these boards. Rabbits are another recurring symbol, although why this should be is less clear to me. Perhaps predictably, the pub on the island is called The Green Man (not an uncommon name at all for UK taverns; there's one near me), and given that the film's plot revolves around the desire to thwart a second successive failed harvest, John Barleycorn - "the life of the fields" - is also heavily referenced. As Lord Summersisle tells an increasingly shocked and bewildered Sgt Howie, "Here, the old gods aren't dead". The idea of worshipping the god of the fields is particularly strong, but in a macabre twist on the normal hanging out of ears of corn, blond pigtails of hair, decorated with red ribbon, are frequently seen on display.

Anyway, the film contains masses of such symbols, - too many to remember, let alone list. The question that perhaps needs to be asked is whether these symbols reference a coherent set of specifically pagan ideas, or whether they serve merely as stylistic window dressing, assembled without too much care for their true meaning. I suspect the former - this is a rather carefully made, and deliberately nuanced film.

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The US version of the film poster, displaying the ubiquitous sun disc symbol

The theme of sexuality is also ever present; or rather, more accurately, the twin themes of sexual frustration and carnal temptation.

The character of Sgt Howie is a man of strong religious convictions; a virgin, his beliefs prohibit sex before marriage. Indeed, his virginity proves critical to the plot, as it makes him a more valuable sacrifice. The general atmosphere of sexual licentiousness that pervades the island - people copulate brazenly in front of him, for example - is an affront to his religious beliefs and sense of decency, but is also the trigger that awakens his own thinly concealed sexual desire. Much of the sense of disgust he displays can therefore be read as self-disgust. Such psychosexual undercurrents permeate the film - in obvious ways, when a dancing nude woman (played by Britt Ekland) presses herself to the adjoining wall of his bedroom, taunting and tempting him, and causing him to almost weep with frustration; and in more subtle ones, such as the daubing of his body prior to sacrifice; a scene that is charged with barely supressed eroticism.

But are the sexual practices of the island being presented as evidence of its people's depravity and moral corruption, or is one being offered a glimpse of an alternative interpretation of sexual mores, as informed by the liberation ideologies and sexual politics of the time?

But if Howie's moraility is constantly being offended, then this is nothing compared to the assault on his religious beliefs that he has to endure.

One of the film's most interesting scenes is when Howie visits the local school. This is a place where Christianity is studied only as a comparative religion; where the classroom blackboard bears words such as snail stones, toad stones and hay stones, and uses the expression Belthane Term in its register.

As the school mistress says:
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We believe that when the human life is over, the soul returns to trees, to air, to fire, to water, to animals ... life forces in another form.


These sort of beliefs are also evident in the cemetery, the church beside which stands empty and unused, where trees are planted on graves, and where tombstones bear inscriptions such as "Protected by the Ejaculation of Serpents". And in the local surgery, a girl has a toad put in her mouth to cure a sore throat. May Day, of course, is a day of great significance - the Maypole is another of those recurring symbols - as is the concept of making a human sacrifice on this day to ensure a bountiful harvest, which is exactly how the film ends.

But what is truly subversive about this depiction of life on the island is the all pervading air of normality; of this just being the way things are. Little of the imagery traditionally associated with dark magic is present here - this imaginary island is made to appear bucolic, mellow, liberating, even, dare one say it, faintly Arcadian. This is no demonic hell - rather, it is a pastoral idyll. The beautiful way in which the film is photographed accentuates this. Robin Hardy achieves such depth of shot, such an exquisite texture in his composition, that it's a delight to look at. Thin porcelain skies of the palest blue hang over a verdant landscape splashed with soft sunlight, and this makes for some sumptuous images. We are being presented with a world in soft focus that appears on the surface to be an appealing one; a place where the human spirit is liberated from the conventional strictures of a moralistic and censorious society; free to commune with nature in the most literal sense, and with the prospect of sexual delirium.

But for all of the island's earthly delights, there is something rotten at its core, quite apart from the emotional hollowness that by implication could be said to lie beneath its surface pleasures. It is the element of human sacrifice. And so the notion of the island serving as some kind of counter-cultural haven itself becomes subverted, by revealing the dreadful price that has to be paid in furtherance of the island's belief system - the killing of a human being, a ritual murder, something disgusting and terrible, a true heart of darkness in the soft light of paradise. And so the film invites all sorts of contradictory thoughts, by seeming to subvert the status quo, and then subverting its own message.

In any event, it's a fascinating piece of work, thoroughly deserving of the high regard in which is it now held, and a piece of British cinema history. And as the above I hope has shown, it is perhaps a little bit more than that, too.


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Richard you have definately missed your vocation :D
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A Quote from

Lord Summerisle: Animals are fine, but their acceptability is limited. A little child is even better, but not NEARLY as effective as the right kind of adult.

Human sacrifice
this is where the pagans and the Christian church
look at it in different and yet the same way

Jesus was the sacrificial lamb
SGT Howie is the sacrificial lamb

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....one of the many films i've never seen and have no wish to either....sorry Richard haven't even read your post i'm afraid...


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Louvian,

Ya puzzle me, 'cuz what would ya consider the once for all time sacrifice Jesus made vs who knows over the past 6,000 years how many pagan-heathens have sacrificed, in the millions?.

I find this comparison denigrates Jesus to being just a step above a pagan ritual, plus the sacrificial lamb comparison is also a slap in the face denigration to why Jesus' sacrifice meant there need never to be any thing killed to expiate the guilt of sin, be it human or animal, 'til the end of time.

That the pagan-heathen rite-ritual still persists is a clear cut indication, pagan-heathens will never accept the finality of what Jesus did for all mankind. This is no different than giving Jesus the finger for His Redeeming Suffering.

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Curiously Christopher Lee said in an interview that this film was not a horror film. He also said that when he saw the final cut he was upset that many of the scenes they had filmed had been left out.

There had been a case recently that human bones had been found in a bonfire. Of course most only put an effigy of Guy Faulkes into their bonfire every year. Faulkes being a Catholic fundementalist terrorist of course.

Bonfire is short for Bone Fire. Guy Faulkes Day is at the end of the Samhain/Celtic New Year celebrations.

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We are talking about Human Sacrifice right

Jesus is depicted as the Sacrificial lamb
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the symbolism is that his death cleanses us of all our sins
His sacrifice death on the cross
Jesus was human
that's a human sacrifice
It's to please God our father

Just like Abraham sacrificed his lamb for his sins

Communion is wine and bread that changes into body and blood
and we consume it

Again reliving the Human sacrifice

Now the Mayans and Incas killed thousands in human sacrifice
Many of the other pagan religions liked to sacrifice little girls to kemosh
Ruth was spared

I don't know how many young virgins were sacrificed to WHOEVER

this is where the movie gets very dark .... because for some reason people think that human blood and death will give them spiritual power

that power is Black magic power

Think about it taking the life of another human being ...can make the person feel like they have power over life and death

the SEDUCTION and that's what the film shows is the belief that this power carries over into the Spiritual world

Richard excellent topic

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Curiously Christopher Lee said in an interview that this film was not a horror film. He also said that when he saw the final cut he was upset that many of the scenes they had filmed had been left out.


I understand that some of those cuts involved footage from Woodward's meeting with Lee at the Summersisle family seat - an interesting part of the film, in as much as this is where Lee talks about his grandfather, a Victorian free thinker and something of a pioneer, setting up the island community. Interesting, because it seems to be another way of presenting the island as an alternative to the established society on the mainland.

As a footnote to all the above, the film's director, Robin Hardy, wrote this book in 2006 - called "Cowboys for Christ", it's a sequel of sorts to "The Wicker Man".

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Hardy has also adapted this for cinema, with himself at the helm again, and while I understand this film had some financial difficulties, it's now been shot and is in post-production, with release scheduled for 2010. Christopher Lee will be reprising his role from the first film. The film will be called "The Wicker Tree".


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Attached, a Fortean Times interview with Robin Hardy from April 2007.

http://www.forteantimes.com/features/in ... hardy.html


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From your great article Richard

That of course is why the very opening bit is useful because it's made quite clear that he's a bit of a prig in the opening. When he and the local policemen are shutting up the pubs for the night and his chat with the other policeman shows that he's very puritan. So we know that too up front. And we also see him with his fiancee in church but that scene is done as a flashback, that scene in church where he gets the communion, the bread and the wine, the Christian sacrifice which matches the pagan sacrifice at the end

this is my take too
we have the Puritan's who look at the Pagan's as the wicked ones
but in many ways they have many of the same ideas
Cromwell wasn't a very nice fello either

You have the Puritan idea of sex and then you have the Pagan idea of sex

Balance

I like Plato Phaedrus
I won't say who is evil and who is good
the Puritan or the Pagan
but we are the charioteer



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I note, with sadness, the passing of Edward Woodward after a long illness.
His role as outsider and victim in the Film was one of the high points of his career.
Maybe this might be an opportunity for the movie to get another airing on TV.

He has been a regular companion of mine recently in the car. He was one of the speakers on an audio CD of Kiplings poetry that someone gave me.
His very individual interpretation of the 'Ballad of East and West' and 'Recessional' makes these wonderful pieces come alive.

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I note, with sadness, the passing of Edward Woodward after a long illness.
His role as outsider and victim in the Film was one of the high points of his career.
Maybe this might be an opportunity for the movie to get another airing on TV.


I'm very sorry to hear that.

Although he was mainly known for his TV work ("Callan" and "The Equaliser") he did one other very good film that I can think of, apart from "The Wicker Man" - an Australian film called "Breaker Morant", set in the Boer War. Haven't seen it for a long time, but it was very good.

But I dare say that it will be "The Wicker Man" that gets more of a run-out in the various news pieces and tributes, and in which he was excellent.


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A belated thank you Richard. Great review, and one of my all time fav films lol.

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So sad to see the passing of a great actor Edward Woodward

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8362367.stm

Who could ever forget his portrayal of the hapless Sergeant Howie in the cult classic The Wicker Man.

Here's the ending again

One of the most disturbing scenes I've yet to see in a movie. Made more disturbing because it may be true.

A great actor who leaves his wife Michelle (Dotrice) who played Betty in Some Mothers Do 'av 'em

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Great Review Richard.

Meet the real Summer Islands

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all well & good, but ........the movie itself was filmed in Galloway and Skye.


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Oh I had the biggest crush on Edward Woodward in the Equalizer
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sheila wrote:
all well & good, but ........the movie itself was filmed in Galloway and Skye.


It's interesting ... The Wiki article on the Summer Isles says that the association with the islands in The Wicker Man is a mistaken, or coincidental one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Isles

But I don't think it can be. The islands must have been the inspiration for the Summersisle of book and film. The article below is from the Creetown website, the town in Galloway where much of the film was shot, as referenced above. It reminds us that the character of Sergeant Howie comes from a town on the mainland called "Ullwater", which is a very obvious nod to the town of Ullapool, which lies on the west coast, adjacent to the Summer Isles. I can't remember if that was mentioned in the version of the film I've seen; it may be from one of the several deleted scenes, which did include time spent with Howie on the mainland.

http://www.dalbeattie.com/scotland-cree ... index.html

I've not found much on these islands, in the short time I've looked. Official population of five people, but they get a lot of tourists, and they issue their own postage stamps. Very good place for sailing.

http://www.dalbeattie.com/scotland-cree ... index.html

This is the Islands' website.

http://www.summer-isles.com/

The RSPB tells us about the storm petrels to be found on its outermost island, over 1% of the world's population.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/reserves/guide/p ... /index.asp

The island is called Priest Island (Eilean a' Chlèirich) and it's belived that there were once religious communities there.

There are a number of stone circles on the island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Island


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The island is called Priest Island (Eilean a' Chlèirich) and it's belived that there were once religious communities there.

There are a number of stone circles on the island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Island


If you follow the lead it brings you to a group called the Culdees whom it is alleged lived on Priest island.

These had previously been associated with Iona. They preserved the traditions of the Celtic Church and tended to oppose the Roman Church. But this is an interesting article:

There is some reason to believe that at an early date these Druid priests converted to the Christian faith forming a monastic order of the early Celtic Church known as the Culdees, which derives from the gaelic Culdich ("certain strangers") and the Latin Coli Dei meaning servants of the Lord or God. The 19th century antiquary, Godfrey Higgins, notes: "In the early history of the Christian church, in Britain and Ireland, we meet with an order of priests called Culdees....They had a very celebrated monastery in the island of Iona, and others in remote situations, and these situations, by accident or design, mostly the former possessions of the Druids....The result of all the enquiries which I have made into the history of the Culdees is, that they were the last remains of the Druids, who had been converted to Christianity, before the Roman church got any footing in Britain. They were Pythagorean Druidical monks, probably Essenes, and this accounts for their easily embracing Christianity: for the Essenes were as nearly Christians as possible." (The Celtic Druids, 1829) This is further supported by John Jamieson D.D. in his Historical Account of the Ancient Culdees of Iona (1811) who remarks: "There is, I am informed, a pretty general tradition in the highlands of Scotland, that the Culdees immediately succeeded the Druids, as the ministers of religion.... The tradition that the Culdees succeeded the Druids at no great distance of time might seem to be supported by a circumstance of an interesting nature, which has been mentioned by several writers in our statistic accounts; that Clachan, the name still given in the Highlands to the place where a church stands, originally belonged to a Druidical temple."

This Celtic Culdee connection is commented on by the French oriental scholar, Henry Corbin, in The Imago Templi in Confrontation (1974) who says: "The primitive Celtic Church, prior to Romanization, is represented by groups of monks known as Culdees….The groups of companions called by this name seem, moreover, to have played a much larger role in Scotland than in Ireland….these autonomous groups of hermit brothers correspond to what we know of the original structure of the Celtic Church….these Coli Dei [Culdees] had a role to play on the Celtic side analogous to the role attributed on the eastern side….to the canons of the Holy Sepulchre, the spiritual descendants of the Essenes. The appeal to a distant Celto-Scottish filiation parallels the appeal made to affilitation with the builders of the Temple of Solomon and the community of Jerusalem. It is as if the double line of descent, Hierosolymitan and Scottish, linked, Ab origine symboli, the Church of James and the Celtic Church in the trials and misfortunes from which the Temple knighthood have to rescue them." Corbin continues: "The Coli Dei are also included in the spiritual line of descent from the builders of the Temple of Solomon, the line of the Essenes, the Gnostics, even the Manichaeans and the Ismailis. They were established at York in England, at Iona in Scotland, in Wales, and in Ireland; their favourite symbol was the dove, the feminine symbol of the Holy Spirit. In this context, it is not surprising to find Druidism intermingled with their tradition and the poems of Taliesin integrated to their corpus. The epic of the Round Table and the Quest of the Holy Grail have likewise been interpreted as referring to the rights of the Coli Dei. It was, moreover, to the time of the Coli Dei that is assigned the formation of the Scottish knighthood whose seat is typified by the mysterious sanctuary of Kilwinning, under the shadow of Mount Heredom in the extreme north of Scotland."


Kilwinning is supposedly where freemasonry started.

Here's something I knew previously but the cairns and circles of rocks on Iona and other places in Scotland are called by the Celtic name Si'un.

Something else I knew is that when the Norsemen first arrived in Iceland they found Scottish and Irish priests there which they called Papar.

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The island is called Priest Island (Eilean a' Chlèirich) and it's belived that there were once religious communities there.

There are a number of stone circles on the island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Island


If you follow the lead it brings you to a group called the Culdees whom it is alleged lived on Priest island.


Very interesting extracts on Culdees. I've not had a lot of luck tracking down the stone circles. Two different sources refer to there being three circles, or vestiges of them, but offer no further details. No references that I have been able to find either on Julian Cope's Modern Antiquarian site or the Megalithic Portal.

I did find one quite good map of Priest Island, which one can zoom on to get more detail.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=19 ... hp=ids.srf

The esteemed naturalist Frank Fraser Darling lived on the island for a while in the 1930s. Here's a link about him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Fraser_Darling

And he wrote this book, recounting his experiences.

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Found a couple of nice photos of the island.

Lovely natural arch in the coastline:

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http://www.geograph.org.uk/profile/7565

Another shot of the coast:

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http://www.geograph.org.uk/profile/7859

I did find an interesting extract from this book - Scottish Sea Kayaking : Fifty Great Sea Kayak Voyages, by Doug Cooper and George Reid.

Reference here to some tellurically suitable red earth, perhaps. :wink:

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On reaching the south coast of Priest Island, you can't help but notice the fantastically deep red colours and ornate shapes of the Torridonian sandstone that make up this island. (p.116)


A bit on the ancient chapel.

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To the south of the most western lochan can be found a ruined bothy, which was also the site of an ancient chapel. It is this chapel that was used a Christian retreat and is how the island acquired its name. Also in this area are the remains of prehistoric stone circles built by settlers of an even more distant past. (pp.116-117)


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Having explored the human history, flora and fauna, continue the island exploration by paddling up to the northern point. Here you will find Toll Eilean a Chleirich (priest hole) and on passing this you will discover the dramatic cave and natural arch making up the tip of the island. (p.117)


Here's the link to the entire Priest Island extract.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2hEq ... ch&f=false

Would still like to see some pictures of those three stone circles, though.


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It's taken me this long to get up enough courage to say this but I've only seen the Wicker Man with Nicholas Cage in.
I don't know how faithful the remake was as I have not seen the first one.
Edward Woodward was a fine actor. His body of work is a testament to this.

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Did you like the one with Cage in it
I didn't see that one

Close your eyes boys but these Picts had dragons and crista's on their stones
Gets around even up onto the North or did it flow from there

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PostPosted: 19 Nov 2009 3:52 pm 
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rain wrote:
It's taken me this long to get up enough courage to say this but I've only seen the Wicker Man with Nicholas Cage in.


:shock:

That does take courage. :D :wink: :D

But to be fair, I've not seen the re-make, and I'm sure it can't be quite as bad as everyone says. So I should probably watch it, if only for the acedemic interest of seeing what they did with the story (and I've been a big Nic Cage fan, as it happens, ever since "Wild at Heart").

But I would so recommend the original film, Rain, if you can get hold of it. Apart from having a great story, and containing so many interesting themes, it's just such a beautifully made film, as I found when watching it for the first time on DVD (as opposed to TV and VCR).

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 Post subject: Re: The Wicker Man : Symbolism, Sexuality and Subversion
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Roger wrote:
Is "Island Years" a reissue of "Island Farm"? Or is it another book by the same author?


I think they're two different books. According to Fraser's bio, he wrote "Years" in 1940, and "Farm" in 1943, and the descriptions sound different.


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 Post subject: Re: The Wicker Man : Symbolism, Sexuality and Subversion
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Rain
Woodward is awesome
Did you like the one with Cage in it
I didn't see that one


I did but I was shocked at the end. I like anything with Nic Cage in. He has an air and intensity about him that few actors match.


I liked Lord of War. http://www.lordofwarthemovie.com/
The only other actors I could think of that could pull that off are Phillip Seymour Hoffman or Russell Crowe.

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