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 Post subject: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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Monday derived sometime before 1200 from monedæi, which itself developed from Old English (around 1000) mōnandæg and mōndæg (literally meaning "moon's day"), which is cognate to other Germanic languages, including Old Frisian mōnadeig, Middle Low German and Middle Dutch mānendach (modern Dutch Maandag), Old High German mānetag (modern German Montag), and Old Norse mánadagr (Swedish and Norwegian nynorsk måndag. Danish and Norwegian bokmål mandag). The Germanic term is a Germanic interpretation of Latin lunae days ("day of the moon")

Tuesday derives from the Old English "Tiwesdæg" and literally means "Tiw's Day"[1]. Tiw is the Old English form of the Proto-Germanic god *Tîwaz, or Týr in Norse, a god of war and law[2][3]. In the Indic languages of Pali and Sanskrit, as well as in Thailand, the name of the day is taken from Angaraka ('one who is red in colour')[4] a style (manner of address) for Mangala, the god of war, and for Mars, the red planet.

Wednesday comes from the Middle English Wednes dei, which is from Old English Wōdnesdæg, meaning the day of the English god Woden (Wodan), a god in Anglo-Saxon England until about the 7th century. Wēdnes dæg is like the Old Norse Oðinsdagr ("Odin's day"), which is an early translation of the Latin dies Mercurii ("Mercury's day"), and reflects the widespread association of Woden with Mercury going back to Tacitus.

Thursday comes from the Old English Þunresdæg, "Thunor's Day" (with loss of -n-, first in northern dialects, from influence of Old Norse Þorsdagr, meaning "Thor's Day"). Thunor and Thor are derived from the Proto-Germanic god Thunaraz, god of thunder. Most Germanic languages name the day after this god: Torsdag in Danish, Norweigan, and Swedish, Donnerstag in German or Donderdag in Dutch.

Friday comes from the Old English frīgedæg, meaning the day of Frige the Old English form of Frigg. In most Germanic languages the day is named after freyja—such as Frīatag in Old High German, Freitag in Modern German, Freyjudagr in Old Norse, Vrijdag in Dutch, Fredag in Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish—but Freyja and Frigg are frequently identified with each other.

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Frigg spinning the clouds

Saturday is the only day of the week in which the English name comes from Roman mythology. The English names of all of the other days of the week come from Germanic polytheism. In India, Saturday is Shanivar, based on Shani, the Vedic god manifested in the planet Saturn. In the Thai solar calendar of Thailand, the day is named from the Pali word for Saturn, and the color associated with Saturday is purple. The Celtic languages also name this day for Saturn: Irish an Satharn or dia Sathuirn, Scottish Gaelic Disathairne, Welsh dydd Sadwrn, Breton Sadorn or disadorn.

Sunday is derived sometime before 1250 from sunedai, which itself developed from Old English (before 700) Sunnandæg (literally meaning "sun's day"), which is cognate to other Germanic languages, including Old Frisian sunnandei, Old Saxon sunnundag, Middle Dutch sonnendach (modern Dutch zondag), Old High German sunnun tag (modern German Sonntag), and Old Norse sunnudagr (Danish and Norwegian søndag, and Swedish söndag). The Germanic term is a Germanic interpretation of Latin dies solis ("day of the sun"), which is a translation of the Greek heméra helíou.[3] The p-Celtic Welsh language also translates the Latin "day of the sun" as dydd Sul.

Sunna or Sól

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Ceiling Mosaic - Christus helios, the mosaic of Sol in Mausoleum M, which is interpreted as Christ-Sol (Christ as the Sun).
Detail of vault mosaic in the Mausoleum of the Julii. From the necropolis under St. Peter's Mid-3rd century Grotte Vaticane, Rome.
Mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter's Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii (Pope Julius I). Representation of Christ as the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Dated to the 3rd century AD.

"Early Christian and pagan beliefs are combined in this third century mosaic of Christ as a sun-god. The triumphant Christ/god, with rays shooting from his head, is pulled aloft by two rearing horses in his chariot. The Dionysian vines in the background become the vines of Christ."

On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. - Constantine I . He was a pagan when he made this decree. Observation of Sunday as the day of rest is a pagan decree.

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The Horse of God - The Trundholm Sun chariot
From the late Nordic Bronze Age - 1700 - 500 BCE.

The Nordic Bronze Age centres around Bornholm or Burgundaholmr, "the island of the Burgundians.

The RUS/Rutheni originated from this area. They settled in France around Aveyron and the Midi region and the Haut Vallye d'Aude.

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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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For Roscoe...Mjollnir, the hammer of Thor...or the Tau cross depending on how you see it...just like the Celtic hammer-god Taranis who was known for his ferocity and benevolence.... His counterpart Sucellus, who ruled the underworld, was particularly popular among the Gauls.


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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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Thor happens to be one of my favorites!

http://www.thorconstruction.com/

However, there have been some very dark references to this god around these parts the past several years.....

The man responsible for the massacre on April 16th bought a hammer before his crime, he had a picture taken of himself weilding the hammer like a weapon (google search: VT Cho hammer). Cho probably drove by Thor Construction on the way to the firing range where he practised with his gun(s)....the firing range and thor are about 1/2 mile from each other.

Last year (on the day that I buried my father) another VT student, (bought a hammer and then) beheaded his girlfriend....
http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/News/?NewsID=3655

Is the image of Thor or a hammer being used as a violent mind-control trigger? Or is this about ancient religious sacrifice or both?


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Not quite following your logic here....why disrupt a serious thread.
.....or am i missing the point?


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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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Sheila wrote:
Not quite following your logic here....why disrupt a serious thread.
.....or am i missing the point?


There would only be a point to this IF there were persons performing rituals in the names of the old gods at the current time.

Particularly if these persons were in places of authority and power.

People in authority, with power, named the days of the week after these gods. Was it a matter of worship or paradigm shift?


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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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I read ya loud and clear Serendipity. The locals here use every ye olde pagan-heathen connected festivity to get drunk and go barsark(berserk), a very time honored pagan tradition here in Scandinavia.

If ya notice the term frig is used in a very sexual connotation all over the anglo world, freya-frigg is the goddess of all things sexual in Scandinavia. I brought up how her image is carved in trees like sheila-na-ga figures on bldgs of olde. The tree hugger krowd get off on these 'thangs' at mid-summer in the woods here.

The skin heads here use all of this ancient viking symbolism on their regalia, just like nazi's did. Thor hammer, lightning flash, etc. Things pagan are not just limited to words or drawings in books here.

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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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I read ya loud and clear Serendipity. The locals here use every ye olde pagan-heathen connected festivity to get drunk and go barsark(berserk), a very time honored pagan tradition here in Scandinavia.

If ya notice the term frig is used in a very sexual connotation all over the anglo world, freya-frigg is the goddess of all things sexual in Scandinavia. I brought up how her image is carved in trees like sheila-na-ga figures on bldgs of olde. The tree hugger krowd get off on these 'thangs' at mid-summer in the woods here.

The skin heads here use all of this ancient viking symbolism on their regalia, just like nazi's did. Thor hammer, lightning flash, etc. Things pagan are not just limited to words or drawings in books here.


Oh, for crissakes, Jake - pick a pseudo and stick with it! :lol:

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Serendipity wrote:
Sheila wrote:
Not quite following your logic here....why disrupt a serious thread.
.....or am i missing the point?


There would only be a point to this IF there were persons performing rituals in the names of the old gods at the current time.

Particularly if these persons were in places of authority and power.

People in authority, with power, named the days of the week after these gods. Was it a matter of worship or paradigm shift?


I know hundreds of people performing rituals in the names of the old gods - myself included - and other than a couple of rather berserk absinthe parties in a suite at the Doubletree San Jose for Pantheacon, we're a pretty sedate bunch.

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 Post subject: Re: Our pagan origins and present (and Bornholm)
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TCP wrote:
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I read ya loud and clear Serendipity. The locals here use every ye olde pagan-heathen connected festivity to get drunk and go barsark(berserk), a very time honored pagan tradition here in Scandinavia.

If ya notice the term frig is used in a very sexual connotation all over the anglo world, freya-frigg is the goddess of all things sexual in Scandinavia. I brought up how her image is carved in trees like sheila-na-ga figures on bldgs of olde. The tree hugger krowd get off on these 'thangs' at mid-summer in the woods here.

The skin heads here use all of this ancient viking symbolism on their regalia, just like nazi's did. Thor hammer, lightning flash, etc. Things pagan are not just limited to words or drawings in books here.


Oh, for crissakes, Jake - pick a pseudo and stick with it! :lol:

TCP


or do us all a favour and Frig off :lol:

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TCP wrote:
jabberwock wrote:
I read ya loud and clear Serendipity. The locals here use every ye olde pagan-heathen connected festivity to get drunk and go barsark(berserk), a very time honored pagan tradition here in Scandinavia.

If ya notice the term frig is used in a very sexual connotation all over the anglo world, freya-frigg is the goddess of all things sexual in Scandinavia. I brought up how her image is carved in trees like sheila-na-ga figures on bldgs of olde. The tree hugger krowd get off on these 'thangs' at mid-summer in the woods here.

The skin heads here use all of this ancient viking symbolism on their regalia, just like nazi's did. Thor hammer, lightning flash, etc. Things pagan are not just limited to words or drawings in books here.


Oh, for crissakes, Jake - pick a pseudo and stick with it! :lol:

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or do us all a favour and Frig off :lol:


Wasn't Jake banned at one point but then immediately turned up again under another one of his pseudos? I recall wondering at the time why he was being allowed to get away with it.

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Probably because the Powers That Be know that the old pensioner has nothing else to do besides inundate the internet with his inanities and sit on his elaborate walking stick and rotate.

In one word.... Pity.

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 Post subject: Design
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The design on the Viking rock sure looks familiar....

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You can read the runes?! Thank you, so they are commorative of individuals. On the
tall stone with the hammer at the top and the curved element over it - that looks like
a serpent`s tongue which is a basic in Mayan art. You see that snake`s tongue
everywhere on the stelae.

Do you think that it is Nessie who is portrayed on in the carvings?

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Thorstein wrote:
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You can read the runes?! Thank you, so they are commorative of individuals. On the
tall stone with the hammer at the top and the curved element over it - that looks like
a serpent`s tongue which is a basic in Mayan art. You see that snake`s tongue
everywhere on the stelae.

Do you think that it is Nessie who is portrayed on in the carvings?


Indeed, i can read them. Just have to tilt my head a little to the side :lol:

As for the graphical components of the stones you'll notice the two serpent heads in pic#1 appear to be linked. This is called fettering (binding) the beast. When the runemaster cuts the runes, he places them inside the serpent and then binds it with its powers into the stone by means of this metallic device. I believe the serpent depicted is Jörmungandr, which according to legend is wrapped around the earth (like the stones) biting its tail (Ouroboros style) and when it lets go the world will end. I think that by associating the names of the departed with a force that will last until the end of the world was very meaningful, and a worthy tribute to valiant men.

Pics 2 and 3 the hammer is suspended as the amulets were worn like this:Image with the clasps often representing Óðinn's ravens Huginn and Muninn.



This is good stuff. Thanks.

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I believe it says....

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Latin transliteration: × iarlabaki × lit × raisa × stain × þisa × at sik × kuikuan ×× auk bru × þisa × karþi × fur ont × sina × auk ain ati × alan × tabu × kuþ hialbi ont hans

Old Norse transcription: Iarlabanki let ræisa stæina þessa at sik kvikvan, ok bro þessa gærði fyr and sina, ok æinn atti allan Tæby. Guð hialpi and hans.

English translation: Jarlabanki had these stones raised in memory of himself while alive, and made this bridge for his spirit, and (he) alone owned all of Tábýr. May God help his spirit.


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thanks for the input Thorstein...sorry to whip the cherry of the top of your cake but i felt the urge :D ...quick cook us another cake and i'll promise not to be so greedy next time :oops:

och...and that stone was to commemerate a real bridge "located at the causeway known as Jarlabanke's bridge"...was it for his soul or just to keep his horse's feet dry?


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i'm interested in the similarities between the mallet that strikes death with one side and brings forth resurrection & rebirth with the other, seen here with Secullus..... and Mjöllnir "Thor's hammer"....Hercules's club, the Irminsul, Labrys, the Vajra, & Zeus and his thunderbolt etc....the double edged thunderer.
Need to go do some research.
It looks like a Tau to me.

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