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John,

In the early 70's I witnessed with a companion a night event high above Norfolk Naval Base Virginia that began stationary and suddenly traversed near 3/4 of the sky in a few seconds untill disappearing into the Atlantic horizon haze. It was such an energetic sight that to this day it's still burned in my retinas, so to speak. Like you I found no explanation and could not dare to extrapolate it into "an alien spaceship". I finally after these years of never reading of anything like that I saw a recent TV documentary showing a very similar oddity photographed by a topic investigator. I'll find the upload later and write out some details, it's not quickly available at the moment as far as I see on youtube.

Richard see below, I completely agree. I'm not sold yet on the 'disinfo' conspiracy but so much fraud and bad interpretations are out there it muddys up the water terribly.

Shasta and Jake.

That's right concerning Tesla free energy systems.. NASA still doesn't know why this experiment I link below failed and much of the UFO crowd went into spasms over it. Disregard any youtube videos or ufo centered pages claiming the broken wire is swarmed on by giant spacecraft. Those anomalies have been proven to be dust or ice motes swirling near the cabin windows. This phenomena has been absolutely duplicated and shown to be the ultraviolet scanning digital camera creating the pulsations and identical appearances of them all. This video shows the tether wire glowing with it's accumulated energy overwhelming the not 'ufo's that so many claim are going behind it and that never seem to turn on edge. Again, they're nothing but ice and dust particles and this misconception just won't be up given it seems.

There are however no understood reasons as to why the satellite towing the wire had it's fuel tanks dumped and internal systems deactivated.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1208/tether.html

So yes they are trying create free energy systems and no telling what else may going on with stolen Tesla ideas. I recall hearing way back about 2 opposed Iridium plates that might be able to capture the "zero point " energy, that was just talk and I've never read of it since.

"Reflight of U.S./Italian Tethered Satellite System (TSS-1R) marred by loss of satellite on flight day three, although valuable scientific data was still gathered. Other primary payload, U.S. Microgravity Payload-3 (USMP-3), performed nominally. TSS considered primary payload at beginning of mission and USMP-3 primary following TSS operations.

"Excellent scientific data was being gathered when tether snapped on flight day three as satellite was just short of full deployment of about 12.8 miles (20.6 kilometers). Satellite immediately began speeding away from orbiter as a result of orbital forces and the crew was never in any danger. Reason for tether break not immediately clear and investigative board convened on ground to determine cause. Crew retracted deployer and remaining tether following day."

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/archives/sts-75.html


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John Harper wrote:
As to an explanation... I've looked for one, but nothing has come close to explaining this global phenomenon?

John,
have you read that book by Stan Deyo "Cosmic Conspiracy"? When I read it in the 80s, I was very impressed.
Deyo claims he flew this anti-gravity-machines for the USAF in the late 60s and their camp was in the Rocky Mountains.
I guess Mistah Notton is sharpening his axe right now ... :lol:


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forgot the links:
(see next posting)


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http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Conspiracy-Millennium-Stan-Deyo/dp/0908477058

http://standeyo.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8222679614108378695

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4182905293548090350


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Eginolf,
It appears that Stan Deyo "Cosmic Conspiracy" has been out of print for quite some time now....I was reading the amazon reviews and noted that he attempted to connect the UFO phenomenom with Biblical end time descriptions and this drew some heavy flack from the critics.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049169/


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 2:54 pm 
Shasta wrote:
[b] then what are they?


You must use common sense - no-one else can do that for you.
You must at least try.

I can understand this sort of absurdity being only a phase in someone's life. But to take it seriously for a literally indefinite period of time --- it's like taking Dumas' "Man In the Iron Mask" seriously about that subject matter without wanting to know that it was inspired by what Voltaire said and not what is found in the historical records.


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 2:57 pm 
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Gordon Wasson was convinced that the UFO's are existing and no mind buggle?


Source?
If Wasson did believe that there is no reason for me to believe it.


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 3:00 pm 
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TCJ wrote:
the Rendlesham Air Base event


One of the most important of the mass eyewitness events that there have been. A mass of detail on the link below.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/RendleshamForest.htm



Oh yes, the classic lone eye-witness "testimony" - gotta believe it!
UFOs (as in metallic flying saucers that are controlled by intelligent beings inside them) are never seen by clusters of people. The same goes for the Loch Ness Monster, Yeti, Abominable Snowman, Ogo Pogo, etc - always lone eye-witnesses.

The Rendlesham event involving mass eye-witness testimonies was explained. Mass eye-witness testimonies relate to unexplained lights that are something else other to flying saucers...


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I saw a documentary made about the Rendlesham Air Base event. It was the most convincing proof anyone could ask for!


Rendlesham Forest UFO case
THE ARTICLE THAT FIRST EXPLAINED THE SIGHTINGS

http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham1a.htm


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I can understand this sort of absurdity being only a phase in someone's life. But to take it seriously for a literally indefinite period of time


True. Many people become obsessed over a variety of topics. A foremost example is one here that was snubbed by Henry Lincoln decades ago and since has devoted his life to taking vehement and destructive revenge on not only Lincoln but also any and all topically related.


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I can understand this sort of absurdity being only a phase in someone's life. But to take it seriously for a literally indefinite period of time


True. Many people become obsessed over a variety of topics. A foremost example is one here that was snubbed by Henry Lincoln decades ago and since has devoted his life to taking vehement and destructive revenge on not only Lincoln but also any and all topically related.


More off-topic absurdities posed as "facts" by an individual who is unable to grasp simple historical facts. Mr Smith gave up on Henry Lincoln decades ago. If Mr Smith were to meet Mr Lincoln today he would give him an issue of "Fortean Times" - that being the level of the Gentleman's "intellect"....


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The airforce of Belgium couldn't catch them : :lol:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Belgium.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7psGj4M1ZI
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bestufovideos1.html
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/belgium.htm
http://www.realufos.net/2008/08/my-fav-ufo-sighting-1990-belgium.html

... it was a mass sighting seen by thousands, was validated by radar and the Belgium Army and multiple films were taken of the event from different angles.


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 3:48 pm 
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... it was a mass sighting seen by thousands, was validated by radar and the Belgium Army and multiple films were taken of the event from different angles.




http://www.skepticreport.com/ufo/belgian.htm


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M Norton wrote:

Mistah Notton believes that flying machines (sometimes called UFOs) don't exist.
How beliefs can be deadly:
http://www.skepticreport.com/general/index.htm


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Eginolf wrote:
M Norton wrote:

Mistah Notton believes that flying machines (sometimes called UFOs) don't exist.
How beliefs can be deadly:
http://www.skepticreport.com/general/index.htm


The belief in Flying Saucers as interplanetary spacecrafts being controlled by extraterrestrials is "not" a Cult....???


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My Dear Dear Mr. Norton,
You are quite a loveable rascal....and I truly admire your wit and brilliance in debunking myths and compelling people to think logically. That's how you have earned my admiration and respect. In regards UFO's in religious art, I am confident you can offer some alternate explanation for this nonsense as you call it...

As much as I have looked and looked and looked at this ancient art, it fails to reveal to me what compelled these ancients to imagine flight in heavy metal vehicles...such as that hovering over the "Baptism of Jesus" painted by DeGelder and in the DeWitt Museum, or the drawer painting of Moses with horns, and flying objects (clearly not birds) over his head...

Let's make some pathetic allowances for my ignorance...perhaps result of being blonde or having senior moments....all the more reason for you to help me...telling me it is a pathetic cult is still no explanation for the ancient art...if those are not UFO's, please tell me what are they Norton? What words would you use to specifically describe these ancient objects in the sky? I eagerly await your response...

Shasta

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The acquisition of common sense has to come from within - it cannot be instilled externally.


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Space Aliens and Renaissance Art
http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/art2/art2.htm


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M Norton wrote:
The belief in Flying Saucers as interplanetary spacecrafts being controlled by extraterrestrials is "not" a Cult....???

As I mentioned above these machines are in use by the USAF.


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Yes, defence aircraft exist, but even these cannot be what some claim they are! If they were really so aerodynamically successful and exist in reality it would never remain a secret for so long.


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It does. If one wonders why, then he should read Deyo's book.

Some "ideas" about different types of machines and energy:
http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 5:12 pm 
Eginolf wrote:
read Deyo's book.


Are we allowed to critically evaluate Deyo's book?

Review from Amazon.com

By "skeptic@ibsfinance.com" (Australia)

This review is from: The Cosmic Conspiracy - Millennium Edition (Paperback)
This book is a real hoot! Unlike most fantasy / comedy, this one actually pretends to be a factual account of the "evil conspiracies" afoot in the world today.
Stan's "how to build your own flying saucer", and "where Einstein went wrong with relativity", will have you rolling in the aisles.

One minor suggestion - it should display a more prominent warning that it actually *IS* fantasy / comedy - otherwise some poor naive, paranoid souls who read it might mistake it for reality.


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Paul
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UFOs (as in metallic flying saucers that are controlled by intelligent beings inside them) are never seen by clusters of people.
Myself and seven others witnessed what appeared to be a metal object, flying silently in a purposeful manner, some 20-30 feet above our heads. I'm not declaring that was we saw was metal nor that it travelled in a purposeful manner, I'm just telling you what we believed we saw that night. If it was a mass hallucination then you have to explain what caused that singular shared experience? There is only one alternative to a psychological rationale, don't you think?

John


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PostPosted: 29 Dec 2008 6:29 pm 
Ron Story
The Space-Gods Revealed : A Close Look at the Theories of Erich Von Däniken (New English Library, 1973)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Space-Gods-Reve ... 972&sr=1-1


Barry Thiering and Edgar Castle (Editors)
Some Trust in Chariots: Sixteen Views On Erich Von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods? (Bailey and Swinfen, 1973)
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/books/x/x8477.htm



Clifford Wilson
Crash Go The Chariots (Master Books, 1986)
http://www.amazon.com/Crash-Go-Chariots ... 0890510229


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