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Anna Kingsford



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Spica -



In French - L'Epi - The Thorn. As in MORT EPEE. Notre Dame de l'Epine - discovered on Lady Day

An easy way to find Spica is to follow the arc of the handle of Ursa Major (Big Dipper) to Arcturus, and then continue on the same distance to Spica ("follow the arc to Arcturus and speed on to Spica").

Like this



On the right Ursa Major, middle (red shepherd) Arcturus and his finger (on the line) Spica.

Underneath the kneeling man Hercules, complete with bow shown as a shadow on the tomb.

here we go again...in a word, No.

Death and Sword...go back to my trepannation musings wherever they are..you are on the wrong track.

And before you say that i'm just guessing & that i'm wrong...think again.

A very special place, this basilica next to Chalons-sur-Marne. Victor Hugo spent some hours in there when visiting, and in Potockis "Saragossa manuscript" it is mentioned to house a secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manuscript_Found_in_Saragossa
The book turned into a movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saragossa_Manuscript_%28film%29
... and Jerry Garcia and Martin Scorcese spent lots of money to get it restored.

I checked out Potocki's secret in 1990 and visited L'Èpine. What I found would be nourishment for Magdheads: in the Chapel of Magdalene you'll find the head of Jesus right above the word "Ste. Madalene" on a stone altar.

edit to say:
this was off topic.

But that is not what the Mort épée in this context is alluding to. imo.

LADY DAY

The Annuciation.

Here look at these two Poussin paintings:



Two paintings of the same subject. The left hand one painted in 1655 the right hand one painted in 1657. Both pictures are of the Annuciation.

You are reminded that the enigmatic letter written by the Abbe Fouquet to his brother the Superintendent of Finance at the court of Louis XIV was written in 1656.

In the late 1620s, Nicholas Poussin produced a number of sketches of the Annunciation, culminating in the painting on the left that still survives at Chantilly. Internal evidence suggests a 15th-century influence, and the relative positions of the figures in the painting are reminiscent of those in the Aix panel, but to read anything into this would be clutching at straws.

Much more interesting is the second version of this theme, painted in 1657. The iconography is very unusual. Mary sits cross-legged like an eastern woman, her arms open wide, while the angel makes hieratic gestures rare in 17th-century Annunciations, but more common in the 15th. J. Costello (quoted by Walter Friedlaender) is of the opinion that this painting was a design for a funeral monument to Poussin's friend and mentor Cassianio del Pozzo, an antiquarian scholar of distinction. This is a decidedly odd theme for a funeral monument, but Friedlaender offers some observations which are enlightening. Pozzo was to be buried in the Church of Sta Maria Topa Minerva, which stood on the site of an ancient sanctuary of the goddess Isis, and Friedlaender suggests that Poussin's painting combines the characteristics of three divinities - Mary, Minerva and Isis. He also observes that the posture of the female figure seems to represent the sedes sapientiae - seat of wisdom.

Poussin is known to have been a profound student of ancient myths from original sources. He often referred to Ripa's Iconologia, constantly carried Cartari's Images of the Gods with him, and embodied Neoplatonic doctrines in his paintings. (A fact not lost upon W.B. Yeats, who based the symbology of his own Neoplatonic poem, "News for the Delphic Oracle", upon the artist's Marriage of Thetis and Peleus.) Poussin's paintings contain multiple layers of meaning, often blending Pagan and Christian themes. One of the major sources of his learning was the library of Pozzo.

The Annunciation is the only late painting by Poussin that is signed and dated. It also contains a large inscription to commemorate the fact that it was painted in the reign of the Chigi Pope Alexander VII, an opponent of Cardinal Mazarin advisor to Louis XIV of France. Poussin might have been thought to have taken quite a risk when he mentioned the Pope in such a painting, but it seems that he knew exactly what he was doing.

In his reign as Pope Alexander VII put an end to Heliocentrism issue and declared the the earth was the centre of all things.

Pope Alexander VII published his Index Librorum Prohibitorum Alexandri VII Pontificis Maximi jussu editus which he prefaced with the Bull Speculatores Dominus Israel in which he explicitly attached all the previous heliocentric decrees. Although the Catholic church later allowed research into the matter of a Heliocentric solar system they have still to formerly recognise that the Earth goes around the Sun and not vice versa.

Lady Day is one human gestation period from Christmas Day hence the Annuciation. The Arch Angel Gabriel Announced that Mary was Pregnant on this day because being a Virgin how else would she know unless an angel told her

Lady Day was New Years Day right up until 1752.

The Basilica at Notre Dame de l'Epine at Châlons-en-Champagne was built on the strength of a burning bush with a statue of The Virgin in it. Like yer do. The bush burned on Lady Day and so they built a cathedral in a village; happens all the time ay? L'Epi is the french name for the star Spica and is the real reason the Christian monument was built over the top of a former place of worship. All part of their ongoing ethnic cleansing programme.

Archangel Gabriel is the star Fomalhaut (3° Pisces 52), one of the four royal stars. Fomalhaut is the "Star of Alchemy"

5000 years ago Fomalhaut marked the Winter Solstice, yet rose about 35 days before the Summer Solstice in around 1000CE.

Fomalhaut is popular with visual astronomers because to say it is spectacular is an understatement.

It is also popular with North American First Nations

March 25th is also the date of Bernadette Soudirous' 16th and longest vision of:

Our Lady of Lourdes.

On March 25, the day of the sixteenth vision, the "Lady" revealed to Bernadette, "I am the Immaculate Conception." A phrase only coined by the then Pope shortly before.

How good of "The Lady" to say this on Lady Day.

Except "The Lady" didn't say that. she said:

"Que soi er'immaculada concepcion"

Her sister and her friend were also present and stated that they saw nothing. At no point in any of her visions did Bernadette Soubirous describe "The Lady" as the Virgin Mary.

can't fault you there.

Roscoe, yer really stretching it here dude. How come this happened...

In Catholic parlance, Mary is also called Our Lady of,,, depending on location or situation whereby she is addressed as such
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes.

These folks have this title, even tho' they did not get it from conventional University degree programs...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church

It seems yer inability to accept the reality of the fact the Church has its own terminology and does not need yer approbation, yes? If I recall correctly, each organization decides its own symbols and interps them accordingly, yes? The mere fact an outsider disagrees really don't matter.

Look at what Rosicru + masons have done since their inception, They spun conventional symbols to fit their own mantra, and never bother with such niceties as copyrights, etc, yes?

On the Old Bailey state courthouse in London

Woman[?] sword one side and scales the other. Thorned headdress. It's Virgo.

The scales are Libra which is the next zodiac house after Virgo and once formed part of Virgo.

The skull trepanning is a pagan practice and can be found in Neolithic remains found around Mount Alaric to the north east of Rennes le Chateau.

Notre Dame de l'Epine is part of a pattern of Cathedrals in France that forms a copy of Virgo on the ground (two scholars have independently noted this) Notre Dame de l'Epine corresponds to Spica - alpha Virginis. Chartres corresponds to Porrima Beta Virginis named after the Roman Goddess of Child birth.

According to some scholars the Temple of Thebes in Egypt was orientated towards the star Spica as early as 3200BCE and other Temples orientated to this star can be found at Olympia, Athens and Ephesus. The Greek astronomer Hipparchos used Spica to furnish him with the data to discover the precession of the equinoxes; he made most of his observations at Lindos in Rhodes. The Sphinx is a depiction of Virgo and Leo combined.

The Hebrew name for the constellation of Virgo is ‘The House of Bread’ or Beth Lehem; the star of Bethlehem is in fact Spica ‘The Ear of Corn’. This word Spica is featured right in the centre of the pentacle in the Dagobert parchment. As ‘Spica’ and the ‘House of Bread’ rises Pisces ‘The House of Fishes’ sets and Jesus died adorned with the crown of Thorns as King of the Jews and the French name for star Spica is l’Epi - The Thorn and gives a whole new meaning to the phrase MORT EPEE. For it seems that Jesus was indeed born OF a Virgin however it does not mean that his mother was a Virgin, perhaps he was merely born under the Sun sign Virgo with his opposite sign being Pisces. Or more controversially Jesus was merely another Sun Diety and the beginning of his reign symbolically began to falter when the Sun was in Virgo and l'Epi was in conjunction with the Sun. Effectively the King was put to the sword.

When the Sun is in Virgo the Sun King starts to lose his influence as it is the Autumn Equinox and days start to get shorter than the nights. The moon (the Queen) starts to rule.

The Magi sort the King of the Jews by following a star why, if only a single bright star why was this event not reported by others? These Magi saw only an astrological sequence in the heavens and were compelled to seek out a specific child born during this astrological event. The rising of the star Spica at a specific time and his same event was being witnessed by ‘shepherds keeping watch’ over the ‘flocks’ by night when an ‘Angel of the Lord’ appeared to them and glory shone around. We now know that the ‘Angel of the Lord’ is in fact Michael and that it is the star Aldebaran in the constellation of Taurus that represents him.

Bernadette Soubirous at no point described her vision as the Virgin Mary she always referred to her calling what she saw simply as "Aquerò" (or rather "that one"), aquerò being Gascon Occitan for that.. On the 25th March (Lady Day) she said that 'The "Aquerò" said a phrase that had only been coined by Pope Pius IX that year.

But 'The Lady' once again said it in Gascon Occitan

"Que soi er'immaculada concepcion"

That's not French.

Bernadette Soubirous is buried in Nevers in Burgundy.

Lourdes is, and always has been for centuries, a spa town and was the previous site of a Druidic Temple. It is also on the Greenwich Meridian and curiously had once been part of English soil for a short while.

.......or is it the Archangel Michael with sword and scales

Well the figure over the Old Bailey is definately female, trust me I'm an expert in such matters.

The Archangel Michael weighs the souls of the dead, hence the scales.



Here's the scales again from the Book of the Dead.

Note the Baboon sitting on the scales. This is Hapi one of the four sons of Horus. Hapi is the equivalent of the Archangel Michael. Another son Duamutef is the jackel headed God doing the weighing of the heart which was thought by the Egyptians to be the embodyment of the soul.

According to the Egyptian Mythology Hapi and his brothers where dedicated as protectors of the cardinal directions of the sky. Duamutef was dedicated to the east and he was also one of the four star gods. For this reason they all appear on astronomical documents to describe the direction where stars are placed.

The attributes of the sons of Horus are not limited to their role as the protectors of canopic jars. they appear as the four rudders of heaven in Spell 148 of the Book of the Dead, as four of the seven celestial spirits summoned by Anubis in Spell 17 of the Book of the Dead and through this are linked to the circumpolar stars of the Great Bear.

These are the four Royal Stars - Aldebaran, Fomalhaut, Regulus and Antares. These bright stars happen to be placed roughly at six hours apart around the central star Canopus - the second brightest star in the sky after Sirius and a star that is placed right on the ecliptic axis.

Aldebaran is Michael - in Taurus
Fomalhaut is Gabriel
Regulus is Raphael
Antares is Uriel.

The lunar mansion for Aldebaran in the Vedic calendar is known as Rohini and is the Hindu name for this star and for the 2nd nakshatra; and literally means "Red Deer" and is the name of river in Nepal and was adopted as the name for a series of Satellite Launch vehicles in the Indian Space Program. Rohini is also known as the "The Star of Ascent" (Ascension?)

'Renne' is French for a Red Deer (as in Reindeer) and this is what later observers called the constellation of Taurus, the Bull and Alpha Tauri is Aldebaran.

Christians in Egypt placed the Nile under the protection of Saint Michael.

Arkaim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8O5Vqhblzo

Roscoe, i never said the Archangel was a male now did i

Well angels are asexual but in Church's misogynist world they are usually depicted as male.

French Cathedrals associated with Notre Dame built from the 11th to the 14th centuries in the shape of the constellation Virgo. They are usually also associated with a labyrinth.

The builders were the Knights Templar.

It all depends how you join the dots.



Note the name right in the middle of the irregular pentagon.

The Sumerians who knew her as Inanna, Queen of Heaven and Earth;

The Akkadians’ (and Babylonians’) as Ishtar, the “leading one” or “chief”;

The Egyptians who knew her as Isis, the Goddess of Fertility;

The Hindus as Kauni, “The Maiden”;

The Persians as Khosha, “the Ear of Wheat”;

The Hebrews as Bethulah, “Abundance in Harvest”;

The Semites as Astarte (Anunit or Atarsamain);

The Greeks as Demeter (or Persephone), the Earth Goddess;

The Romans as Virgo or Ceres, (“ear of wheat or corn”); and

The Anglo-Saxons as Eostre (“Easter”), goddess of spring.


Revelation 12 (King James Version)

The star sign Virgo includes September 11th. At around this time you can look up and see the devil and his angels being cast to the earth. We call them meteors. They eminate from

ALDEBARAN

and are called the Taurids. Sometimes these can be fireballs.



Le Serpent Rouge - Sagittarius

No



.... "the winged celestial visitor which they called Sosthenes"...who was eventually christianised as Saint Michael, chief of the hosts.

Check out the legends...we are talking about the same subject but coming at it from opposite ends

Brentor church on the Saint Michael Ley Line. Another conical Hill

The Saint Michael Ley Line is parallel to this line.


View from Col de Saint Michel.
In the distance Soularac - Solar Rock in Occitan.


Saint Michael in Esperaza church
The centre of the circle of Churches.

And the crucifix with INRI spelled backwards


Esperaza church.

Methinks a heresy is afoot.

Eginolf:

yeah, sure. gracious Señor, Eres un ángel.

Very much so. I'd I take you back to this conversation and also work out what veracruz really means.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1134&p=9239#p9239

And also keep in mind that when Gold is overlayed on a wooden cross the wood is considered to be the soul of the cross.

That's a myth created by Louis Charpentier in his book on the cathedral of Chartres. It doesn't work out. We did this research some time ago - in German.

The constellation Virgo ... ? No way.

p.s.
I'm into astronomy too.
In 1969, with a friend I founded an astronomical club in Vienna which is still existing, after 41 years! And it's named VINDEMIATRIX ... after a star in Virgo as this is my personal sign.

That's strange other scholars have confirmed this layout of cathedrals with the actual (not the modern day) map of Virgo. But it's like most things of this nature, it all depends on the initial belief and assumptions of those doing the investigation and of course what new found data they are prepared to reject as part of their belief system. If you initially want to prove something (anything) incorrect you will do. Name me a generally accepted truism and I will prove it incorrect by the use of specifically selected data and deliberately contrived ignorance.

Anyway

NOTRE DAME,

who is that exactly?

The VIRGIN? Virgo in Latin? Alpha star SPICA - l'EPI (The Sword or Thorn) in French?

Oh and by the way VINDEMIATRIX - the Grape Gatherer is EXACTLY due east at MIDNIGHT (A MIDI) (Sidereal Time) on the 17th Janary when viewed from La Tour Magdala. Spica is over Rennes les Bains Church and Arcturus will be currently directly over the Tower at Arques. The two pointer stars of Corvus The Raven are over L'Homme Mort and of course point at Spica (as you know).

Yes indeed the Raven is indicating that a Dead Man is at Rennes les Bains and whoever it is seems to be being annointed by the cup shaped constellation now called Crater - alpha star Al Kas - The Cup.

Oh and whilst you check this out, take a look what's due west at this time.

Although now designated part of the constellation of Virgo Vindemiatrix was originally thought to have been one of the Hyades group of stars. You might even say it has been transfigured

So perhaps you can tell me whose layout of Virgo are you using to prove the cathedrals are randomly placed. Since it has changed several times over the years.

So here's a poser for you since you're an esteemed astronomer. What's changed from the 11th century? PS I'm not speaking of precession which hasn't changed significantly since the 11th century but something else has.

So

WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN?

What does that mean? Now YOU tell ME what it does mean. A woman clothed with the Sun with the moon under her feet travailling in childbirth? Wearing twelve stars on her head?

- Revelation 12.

Who's the Red Dragon then? Or is it Roger's approach and if you can't answer something you ignore it and hope it goes away eventually.

So NOTRE DAME DE L'EPINE?

THORN bush burning with a statue of the Virgin (Virgo) inside it found on LADY DAY - March 25th. You being the only astronomer on the entire planet tell me what is significant about March 25th and why is it called LADY DAY? This Burning Thorn Bush event prompted the Holy See to build a cathedral in a village full of yokels. I would have thought it would be better to build it next to a large population but hey what do I know? Big building no congregation. Must make sense to someone.

Did you know that until 1792 LADY DAY was New Years Eve in most of Europe? In fact for tax purposes in Britain it still is.

April 5th is the last day of the previous Tax Year.

Oh yes the Julian/Gregorian calendar shift is applied here. Pope Gregory removed 10 days off the calendar.

September 2, 1752, was a great day in the history of sleep.

That Wednesday evening, millions of British subjects in England and the colonies went peacefully to sleep and did not wake up until twelve days later. The sky stayed roughly the same though.

LADY DAY is a Quarter Day (Not a Cross Quarter Day)



Quarter Days.

* Lady Day (25 March)
* Midsummer Day (24 June)
* Michaelmas (29 September)
* Christmas (25 December)

Lady Day; we know: Midsummers Day; Sauniere parades Our Lady of Lourdes around the village: Michaelmas; Sauniere writes the word Secret in his diary: Christmas; Yuletide.

Oh and did you now that the Jews called Virgo the House of Bread or Beth - Lehem in Hebrew.

Jesus was born OF a Virgin not BY a Virgin. Jesus' star sign was Virgo.

In fact a good bet for his actual birthday would have been

SEPTEMBER 11th 3BCE

On that date something unusual happened in the sky.

Ah yes The Languedoc - a great place for a heresy to flourish.

“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Gaston Jourdanne: Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude, 1900

I guess that other astronomer (as well as yourself ) Sauniere was in tune with his congregation since he was actually born and brought up in the area.

The Goddess is older than Sumeria.

Go to Arkaim. It's in Russia.

There you will find an ancient city aligned to the stars.

A city older than Noahs flood, with running water in every apartment, ovens hot enough to smelt bronze, storm drains and food cooling.

And more...much, much more...

It's in german and I got no time to do a translation. Yes, we did compare the cathedrals with the star sign of virgo of today.
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Jesus--------John the Baptist
A------- Ω
On the plinth

Jesus - Feast day 25th December - End of Winter Solstice - Beginning of Solar year ALPHA

John the Baptist - Feast day 24th June - End of Summer Solstice - End of Solar year. OMEGA


THE ARCHI OF ALPHA RHO CHI FRATERNITY
The LADY DAY Issue - Complete with Sun.

No artifact just a heresy.

Isn't Braunau in Austria then?