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Unfortunately it is a public forum and all of this verbal diarrhea of yours has absolutely sod all to do with Henry Lincoln's latest blog. You are a hate peddler, you hate Henry Lincoln and are hell bent in destroying any discussion on what he says.

How do you do this? You make everything up and peddle that.

For example me Holocaust denier. Nope!

I posted this on my website several years ago. However it has big words in it so I wouldn't expect the likes of you to make it to end of the text. But I'll repost it here for the benefit of others.


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What does Holocaust Revisionism claim?



First of all, because of false representations by the media, it is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism does not maintain:

* it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third Reich;
* it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
* it does not deny that Jews were deported;
* it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
* it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
* it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
* it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of reasons;
* it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted such as gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and political dissenters;
* and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers.

Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:

1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews (cf. R. Widmann);
2. Likewise, there was no National-Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan. Consider the statement by the world-renowned Holocaust researcher R. Hilberg:

Raul Hilberg
»But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures [of the Juden]. They [the measures]were taken step by step. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung [German] bureaucracy.«);
4. In detailed investigations of former German concentration camps, expert researchers have established: The internment camps had no homicidal gas chambers or sophisticated methods for mass murder (see G. Rudolf, J. Graf (summarized in English by Mattogno, C. Mattogno, F. Berg). Furthermore, the reports of mass shootings were greatly exaggerated and taken out of context (see H. Tiedemann und G. Rudolf/S. Schröder);
5. There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation and epidemics (see the investigations by C. Mattogno and A. Neumaier).
6.

There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal gas chambers (see G. Rudolf and W. Rademacher), and no material traces of alleged mass murders (see sources given under nos. 4 & 5, R. Krege as well as J.C. Ball (also here)). All the "proofs" rely on eyewitness accounts only, whose unreliability is widely acknowledged (see F. Faurisson, M. Köhler and J. Graf).
7. Despite massive observation by spies and resistance groups in areas in the near vicinity of the German concentration camps, all of Germany's wartime enemies conducted themselves as if no exterminations of Jews were taking place. The charges of genocide were not raised until after Germany's defeat, when there was no German government to dispute them (see A. Butz).
8. Statistical investigations of living Jews worldwide show clearly that the losses of this ethnic group during the Second World War were nowhere near six million. The exact number is probably well under half a million (see the researche by W.N. Sanning and G. Rudolf)

If you want to read a brief summary of revisionist viewpoints, we recommend our leaflet which you can download, print, copy, and distribute as you like. Furthermore, our Revisionist Archive offers a broad variety of introductory articles available on this website and elsewhere
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Yes you see folks this prat's technique is purely strawman argument. He makes things up and argues against that.

When asked to substantiate his claims he runs away.

I would normally start my Internet Shill identification procedure on him but unless they are running out of intelligent recruits he doesn't match up to the standard and is probably no more than a simple prat.

Austria is the country for keeping your daughter in the cellar for years. Is it famous for anything else. Oh yes.
Schicklgruber

We'll discuss it Sheila because they are too afraid to.

Here's some interesting FACTS about Zyclon B.

Here's the conclusion


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Conclusions

We have been blinded by our tears of sympathy for the supposed victims. We have been blinded by our tears of shame for deeds which people just like ourselves might have committed. But if we dare to wipe those tears away and look at the "Holocaust" evidence critically with sober heads, we find that there are no grounds for any such tears at all.

The mass-murder technology that was supposedly used to kill millions of people would not have worked. However, a mass-murder technology based upon the hydrocyanic acid delousing chambers would have worked quite well indeed. The SS certainly had an abundance of expertise in this technology since they were employing it themselves, daily, with their own specially trained personnel-and even had their own school for pesticide specialists. [ 25]

Surely Adolf Eichmann and some of the people around him must have had considerable expertise in railroad transportation. How could they have been unaware of the existence of the railroad delousing tunnels and their potential for mass-murder?

The purpose of the delousing chambers was to save lives-and that is not denied except by the most passionate Exterminationist. No doubt, many hundreds of thousands of people, possibly millions, including countless Jews, owe their lives to these chambers and the German technology based upon Zyklon-B.

How could the same Germans-particularly, the SS and the people from DEGESCH-who used a highly developed technology to kill lice in order to save countless human lives have simultaneously tried to use a pathetically primitive technology, which could not have even worked in the manner alleged, to destroy millions of human lives? How could they have used well-designed gas chambers with circulation to try to save millions of people from typhus while at the same time trying to use badly designed chambers without circulation to kill millions of people? How could they have been using an advanced technology to save people who were in many cases the very same people, namely Jews, that they were simultaneously trying to kill but with the most primitive variations of the same technology?

There are no answers to these reasonable questions even after forty years nor are there ever likely to be any answers consistent with an extermination thesis. In the absence of any proof based upon forensic evidence of even one case of death by gassing with cyanide at the hands of the Germans or of any other reliable evidence-the "evidence," such as it is, consists almost exclusively of "confessions" and fantastic anecdotes of "survivors"-one should reject the "Holocaust" claims as self-serving propaganda. What is clear from any careful technical analysis of the supposed gas chambers for mass extermination is that the "Holocaust" story is absurd.


Interestingly there was a youtube video showing five guys in the US testing Zyclon B on themselves in a chamber. All survived unscathed. The video has been removed by youtube, THEY don't want you knowing that the whole story is a crock of shit.

Show me these quotes from leading Nazis that they were going to exterminate the European Jews.

Oh I've just realised, I asked you a direct question and you don't deal with direct questions do you? You just make things up and tout them as facts.

rs2008 wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Here's some interesting FACTS about Zyclon B.


FACTS???? Prove it Roscoe. And the "article" only refers to Dachau, and isn't it convenient to have a delousing centre in a CREMATORIUM? Sheeeesh. Grow a brain man.


You have a temporary reprieve on the ignore front so I can blow away your arguments. You see I don't run away from answering questions. Only you people do that.

The crematorium is a good way to get rid of bodies of people who died of typhoid. Tell me about the delousing chambers used by the railways that used Zyclon B but didn't kill the people.

The reason they contracted typhoid is because that's what happens when you place large groups together in a concentrated situation. That's what happened to the Boer women and children in the British concentration camps. Typhoid makes emaciated bodies.

But something else that makes emaciated bodies is lack of food. And the constant bombing of the rail network by the allies results in the inability to transport food around the country, indeed many German children also died of starvation during this period.

The Red Cross asked the Allies to cease their bombing campaign, the allies refused.

The Allies knew about the Concentration camps, the Enigma intercepts had alerted them. However they didn't consider bombing the fences because they considered it a means of sapping the Nazis already stretched resources.

But the British leader of the time was indifferent to the plight of the inmates anyway. He had said earlier:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations General Assembly Resolution, 10 December 1948.

The last time the ADL tried to invoke a hate crime against someone who had criticised Zionism they got thoroughly spanked in the courts and ended up with a $1,800,000 court bill.

Zionism is a political movement it is NOT a Race nor Religion Nor has anything to do with Sexual Orientation and therefore as fair game as criticizing Nazism. However criticizing Islam is ANTI-SEMITIC and is a hate crime so I suggest YOU step carefully here.

Oh and by the way the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) is listed by the FBI as a terrorist organisation.

I believe the phrase is:

Hoisted by your own Petard.

Nice try

No Banana.

"Never in the field of Internet social networking has so many ignorant twats been blown away in such a short space of time by so few"
Smartipants Paraphrase.

Eat yer heart out Winston.

Any more? I'm enjoying this.

Personally, i believe we all have the right to question the truth of what we have been taught throughout our lives.

Personally, i believe we all have the right to question the truth of what we have been taught throughout our lives.

I second the objections raised here by Rain. Roscoe is entitled to his opinions, but I do not feel that this forum is a proper venue for Roscoe to air them. Most of my former partner's maternal relatives were exterminated during the Holocaust, and those that survived were eyewitnesses to the mechanized murder and brutality. There is more than adequate proof, including eyewitness accounts, to sustain the historical analysis of the murder of millions of innocent men, women, and children, Jewish and non-Jewish alike, by the Nazis and their allies. Roscoe is deliberately maligning the memory of those innocent victims, survivors, and descendants of survivors, as well as an entire religious/ethnic group. This is far outside the bounds of common decency and is offensive in the extreme. As this is not his first offense, and as he has ignored past warnings to cease, this is clearly not a circumstance that can be contained by allowing Roscoe to remain in this community.

TCP

Personally, i believe we all have the right to question the truth of what we have been taught throughout our lives.

Show me these quotes from leading Nazis that they were going to exterminate the European Jews.

Oh I've just realised, I asked you a direct question and you don't deal with direct questions do you? You just make things up and tout them as facts.

I have NEVER criticised the Jews indeed there are several groups comprised of Jews who are on my side. What I do criticise and make NO apologise for it is ZIONISM.

ZIONISM and Judaism are two totally different entities.

Any half educated person would know that the Jewish people are themselves victims of the ZIONISTS.

Holocaust narratives do not weigh the differences between Zionist and non-Zionist Jews. All were victimized, brutalized, tortured, murdered, etc., with impunity. Denying this does not isolate one group of Jews from another. I'm sorry, but I find that a very weak defense of your position and your inexcusable actions here.

TCP

I would question why Roscoe's been allowed to remain on this forum. The majority of his posts show an appalling grasp of common sense, not to mention history, and his ramblings are an utter disgrace to those multitudes who died, fought, or lost loved ones in WW2.

Considering that some have been banned for far less, why is Roscoe still here?

Many died in WW2 Roscoe, good people who gave their lives so that you and i could live freely. Let us also not forget those who died horribly in concentration camps under the Nazi regime. Spouting the drivel that you do dishonours their memory and their sacrifice. My grandfather was a military policeman who guarded Josef Kramer; he came back a changed man, as did a great uncle who was also at Belsen. The horrors that you so lightly sweep under the carpet happened Roscoe, they were there to witness the after effects.

Please also bear in mind that there will be those who lost loved ones during 9/11 and the London attacks. Still grieving, and maybe looking for closure they could well stumble across your threads. Adding to their heartache is a despicable thing to do and just isn't acceptable.

You have no facts Roscoe, just too much time on your hands and a penchant for trawling conspiricy sites and parroting the views you find there. You contribute nothing except hate, discord, and disharmony, and i hereby petition the site owner for your permanent removal. I can only assume your length of tenure and non moderation of posts has been an oversight.

They are holding Holocaust Commemorations this week, perhaps that`s what set him off.

Post it on Misc. for what it is so that people are free not to comment, don`t barge into

ongoing threads with that blasphemy.



Synagog interior, Toronto, Canada.

Ahhh.....now I see the tight spot that Andrew and the Mod are in.....by using the word blasphemy, it's no longer about good or bad taste but wanting to remove roscoe for his religious beliefs, which Andrew will NOT do (I am assuming).

Show me these quotes from leading Nazis that they were going to exterminate the European Jews.

Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler," by Joachim Fest, Vintage Books Edition, 1974, p. 679-680:

Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?

The Goebbels [Reich Propaganda Minister] Diaries, February 14 1942.
The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, p. 86:

World Jewry will suffer a great catastrophe at the same time as Bolshevism. The Fuhrer once more expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will now go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

Speech by Adolf Hitler, January 31, 1939.
Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

Adolph Hitler speaking to a crowd at the Sports Palace in Berlin, 30 January 1942.
Quoted in "The Holocaust," by Martin Gilbert, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, NY, 1985, p. 285. Text as monitored by the Foreign Broadcast Monitoring Service, Federal Communications Commission.

And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews.

Excerpts from the meeting between Adolf Hitler and the Mufti, Haj Amin Husseini, on 28 November 1941.
The notes were taken by Dr. Paul Otto Schmidt and are quoted in Gerald Fleming's "Hitler and the Final Solution", p. 101-104. Also geheime Reichssache 57 a/41, Records Dept. Foreign and Commonwealth Office Pa/2:

The Fuhrer then made the following declaration, requesting the Mufti to lock it deep in his heart:

1) He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the fight until the last traces of the Jewish-Communist European hegemony had been obliterated.

2) In the course of this fight, the German army would - at a time that could not yet be specified, but in any case in the clearly foreseeable future - gain the Southern exit of Caucasus.

3) As soon as this breakthrough was made, the Fuhrer would offer the Arab world his personal assurance that the hour of liberation had struck. Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under British protection in Arab lands.

Der Stürmer (literally, "The Stormer;" or more accurately, "The Attacker") was a weekly tabloid-format Nazi newspaper published by Julius Streicher from 1923 to the end of World War II in 1945, with brief suspensions in publication due to legal difficulties. It was a significant part of the Nazi propaganda machinery and was vehemently anti-Semitic.

The text is taken from Steven Paskuly's biography of Hoess, Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz, trans. Andrew Dollinger, Prometheus Books, Buffalo (NY): 1992, pp. 27-47.

The Final Solution of the Jewish Question in Concentration Camp Auschwitz

In the summer of 1941, I am unable to recall the exact date, I was suddenly ordered by Himmler's adjutant to report directly to the Reichsführer SS in Berlin. Contrary to his usual custom, his adjutant was not in the room. Himmler greeted me with the following: "The Führer has ordered the Final Solution of the Jewish question. We the SS have to carry out this order. The existing extermination sites in the East are not in a position to carry out these intended operations on a large scale. I have, therefore, chosen Auschwitz for this purpose. First of all, because of the advantageous transport facilities, and secondly, because it allows this area to be easily isolated and disguised. I had first thought of choosing a higher-ranking SS officer for this job so as to avoid any difficulties with someone who doesn't have the competence to deal with such a difficult assignment. You now have to carry out this assignment. It is to remain between the two of us. It is a hard and difficult job which requires your complete commitment, regardless of the difficulties which may arise."

"You will learn the further details through Major [Adolf] Eichmann of the RSHA [Reich Security Headquarters], who will soon visit you. The administrative departments involved will be notified by me at the appropriate time. You are sworn to the strictest silence regarding this order. Not even your superiors are allowed to know about this. After your meeting with Eichmann I want you to immediately send me the plans of the intended installations."

"The Jews are the eternal enemies of the German people and must be exterminated. All the Jews within our reach must be annihilated during this war. If we do not succeed in destroying the biological foundation of Jewry now, then one day the Jews will destroy the German people."

I didn't choose to air them

Spartacus Paraclete's campaign against me saw him making things up about me and I had to put him right. I notice that he's shut up now.

But there be will good rebuttal found here (not to mention the humor )

indeed, it should be cited as a shining example of how to deal with this sort of thing.
the worrying thing is the distinct lack of any noise at all from the owner/moderators of this cite.
Silence is damning

Leadership is required to not interfere.

but it does here, hence the thread above this one informing us of banned members

Andrew wrote only recently that RLC should be 'self regulating'. Excellent. Maybe he can start with Roscoe.

Silence is certainly questionable.