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In light of Plantard's death in 2000, there is no one who is currently alive who has official permission to use the name.[16]

^ Pierre Jarnac, Les Archives de Rennes-le-Château, Tome II, Editions Belisane, 1988, p. 566.

This doesn't prove there is an American contingent of the prieure. It proves you can sell just about anything.

In the United States, I am told that even the most bizarre demand will be met with an offer, whether it be templar decoder rings, hospitaller boxer briefs or prieure hoodies. I've even been told of gold-plated sickles that are 100% guaranteed authentic druid approved.

This doesn't prove there is an American contingent of the prieure. It proves you can sell just about anything.

Well, I think HBHG established that fact pretty well, wouldn't you agree?

TCP

Not sure you can call HBHG, "just about anything", wouldn't you agree Tim?

Tertius what do you believe the prieure/priory to be? If you can define it doesn't exist in America then you must have some personal idea of the structure.

Not sure you can call HBHG, "just about anything", wouldn't you agree Tim?

I think some people need to look long and hard at their own motives before rubbishing someone else whom they did not KNOW and never MET!!

In the process they all bash Plantard .... and Cherisey as hoaxers blah blah blah.

When as far as i can see Plantard and Cherisey and a few others NEVER cashed in a nd made the heaps of money they could have made on the Priory of Sion logo and 'brand'.

In fact, as far as i can see, those close to this 'Priory' gave their information FREELY.

Why shouldn't a "priory" sometimes give knowledge freely, how would you pay for information that relates to the guardianship of mankind anyway, something as common as money? Does that mean God only pays minimum wage and you have to make the rest up in tips?

The Priory of Sion provided me with a design that confirmed their direct influence on Freemasonry...The frontspiece provided by Sion closely resembles the logo for the Order of the Secret Monitor, a well-established Masonnic Lodge under UGLE. There are variations to the design but they are clearly indicating a link between the two orders

Well, I think HBHG established that fact pretty well, wouldn't you agree? I suppose it boils down to what one considers the "Prieuré" to have been - an authentic secret esoteric order of long provenance, or a clever marketing scheme of a more recent origin and construct. If you're suggesting that others - Americans, British, Irish, Spaniards, Italians, even the miscreant Frenchman here and there - weren't writing similar scripts for their marketing ventures, using the same plot devices, well...

TCP

In 1956 a series of books, articles, pamphlets, and other documents relating to Berenger Sauniere and the enigma of Rennes-le-Chateau began to appear in France. This material had steadily proliferated and is now voluminous. Indeed, it has come to constitute the basis for a veritable “industry”. And its sheer quantity, as well as the effort and resources in producing and disseminating it, implicitly attest to something of immense but as yet unexplained importance.
[...]
Since 1956 a quantity of relevant material has been deliberately and systematically “leaked” in a piecemeal fashion, fragment by fragment. Most of these fragments purport, implicitly or explicitly, to issue from some “privileged” or “inside” source. Most contain additional information, which supplements what is known before and thus contributes to the overall jigsaw. Neither the import nor the meaning of the overall jigsaw has yet been made clear, however. Instead, every new snippet of information has done more to intensify than to dispel the mystery. [...] And underlying it all is the constant, pervasive intimation of a secret — a secret of monumental and explosive proportions.
The material disseminated since 1956 has taken a number of forms. Some of it has appeared in popular, even best-selling books, more or less sensational, more or less cryptically teasing. Thus, for example, Gerard de Sede has produced a sequence of works [...]
[...]
The information disseminated since 1956 has not always been contained in as popular and accessible a form as M. de Sede’s. Some of it has appeared in weighty tomes diametircally opposed to M. de Sede’s journalistic approach. [...]
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In additional to published books, including some that have been published privately, there have been a number of articles in newspapers and magazines. There have been interviews with various individuals claiming to be conversant with one or another facet of the mystery.
[Chapter 4: Secret Documents]

The author then proceeds to use all these disparate sources — without sense or justification — and refer to them as some kind of amalgamated entity under the single title “the Priory Documents”, as though they were always intended to be put together in the first place! And, remember from the first paragraph: they are all being released and leaked intentionally, at great cost and difficulty. After all, it would take a whole industry. Where would one find such an ? Who could conceive that there would be a media industry, or an entire economy constituting an information economy?!? HOW COULD IT BE?!?! IT’S ALL UNDER CONTROL!!! THE PRIORY OF SION! THE PRIORY!

a clever marketing scheme

How is it that you come to such a conclusion?

When as far as i can see Plantard and Cherisey and a few others NEVER cashed in a nd made the heaps of money they could have made on the Priory of Sion logo and 'brand'.

In fact, as far as i can see, those close to this 'Priory' gave their information FREELY.

And in fact, furthermore, the only people i see making money off of the Priory are those 'claiming' to *know* Priory people or any of their secrets, or else they are peddling their own information
or disinformation or others that claim some self styled importance because they know the 'big secret' or once knew Plantard et al.[/quotes]

Schisms are frequent in that mileu, i.e. the "Shickshinny Spin-Offs" - a varied and rather dizzying conglomeration of organizations where the genuine and the fake were known to mix freely, and alliances change often.

Le Prieure de Sion is an invention of Pierre Plantard, in association with 2 others, three others if you count Monsieur Bonhomme. From that Prieure de Sion, there were 2 revivals. 1- the revival of the Or de Rennes through HBHG period with Cherisey, then 2- the Barcelona revival. As far as I can tell from all the evidence known today, these were the only licit revivals involving Plantard, the original inventor. Then there are many other revivals that are exercises by charlatans, like Sandri, Chaumeil, and now Haywood. There are probably many more in the USA, but I consider those too ridiculous to even mention.

No, I would not agree.

TCP

The prieure de sion never had anything to do with any of these. Every connection put forward has proven false so far.

Yes, Thomas seemed to be a semi reluctant heir in the Barcelona revival, and even for a short while after his father's death. But I wouldn't be surprised if he came back to it upon being offered attractive compensation.

The American Chivalric Fraud Model (whether run as an Intelligence operation or purely a gangster confidence crime, or often both) will obviously share a number of elements with any European pseudo-esoteric group that claims a long and fake historical lineage. This appears to fool people into confusing the prieure de sion with some of those purely criminal operations a-la-Paterno, or with some Gladio set-ups, or worse, some off the reservation activities of ex or still active intelligence operatives such as Shickshinny Knights, John Driscolls of the world and other charlatans like the Augustinians et al. The prieure de sion never had anything to do with any of these. Every connection put forward has proven false so far.

Yes, Thomas seemed to be a semi reluctant heir in the Barcelona revival, and even for a short while after his father's death. But I wouldn't be surprised if he came back to it upon being offered attractive compensation.

The American Chivalric Fraud Model (whether run as an Intelligence operation or purely a gangster confidence crime, or often both) will obviously share a number of elements with any European pseudo-esoteric group that claims a long and fake historical lineage. This appears to fool people into confusing the prieure de sion with some of those purely criminal operations a-la-Paterno, or with some Gladio set-ups, or worse, some off the reservation activities of ex or still active intelligence operatives such as Shickshinny Knights, John Driscolls of the world and other charlatans like the Augustinians et al. The prieure de sion never had anything to do with any of these. Every connection put forward has proven false so far.

It's when they share members that one ought to pay closer attention...

TCP

What was/is Thomas' role - did it have anything to do with high level encryption and decryption? I get the feeling he never really left, that his work even as a civiy was controlled.

I don't know Thomas Plantard. My feeling is that he was not very much invested in the schemes his father created. But you could be right. You could ask him.