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 Post subject: Re: Inside the Priory of Sion
PostPosted: 14 Oct 2011 7:23 pm 
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Yep, Paul Smith owner of the Priory of Sion.com...and Nicholas Haywood, spokesman for the Priory of Sion both from Burton-on-Trent...seems that town is a hot bed for the Priory

And of course it's in Staffordshire, county of the Shugborough Hall and the Shepherds' Monument..... curiouser and curiouser....

Ah Staffordshire, home sweet home :D.
Just to be clear, I don't know either of the above people though. It's definitely a strange county, I blame it on the water ( have you seen the state of the Trent ) :lol: .
By the way, POS badges are available to buy online, I think Atelier sells them :roll:
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Ah Staffordshire, home sweet home :D.


I'm rather partial to the terriers.

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Yep, Paul Smith owner of the Priory of Sion.com...and Nicholas Haywood, spokesman for the Priory of Sion both from Burton-on-Trent...seems that town is a hot bed for the Priory

And of course it's in Staffordshire, county of the Shugborough Hall and the Shepherds' Monument..... curiouser and curiouser....


Is that the town/county where Staffies come from - the dog I mean?


Yep. The best dugs in the world. I'm biased as I own a half-Staffie (the other half is a mystery, mebbe lurcher, whippet or greyhound). Staffies get a bad press due the activities of similar breeds eg pit bulls, and morons who own them thinking they (the dugs) make them hard men. Actually, if raised properly Staffies make the perfect family pet.

And oor dug, despite being born in Scotland, barks with a mid-English accent :wink:


I asked because they're the most popular dogs in Australia and they are the friendliest - too friendly :lol:they always bowl me over.
And Terriers, TCP they are just so smart I bet they get up to mischief.

and I've never met an aristocratic pig till now, I feel privledged.

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It's definitely a strange county, I blame it on the water ( have you seen the state of the Trent )


In what way is it strange?

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It's definitely a strange county, I blame it on the water ( have you seen the state of the Trent )


In what way is it strange?

Lots of small towns, where the folks are quite insular and haven't got that "city vibe". Plenty of history here too, maybe it's because we are right in the middle of the country? Surrounded by countryside in all directions it is rather pretty in places. I always feel that people from south Staffs wish they were from Birmingham, and people from north Staffs wish they were from Manchester.
Plus lets face it, most of our home towns have some strange personalities living there.
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[quote="BULLDOGNIC" I always feel that people from south Staffs wish they were from Birmingham[/quote]

They need their heads examined ! :roll:


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It's definitely a strange county, I blame it on the water ( have you seen the state of the Trent )


In what way is it strange?

Lots of small towns, where the folks are quite insular and haven't got that "city vibe". Plenty of history here too, maybe it's because we are right in the middle of the country? Surrounded by countryside in all directions it is rather pretty in places. I always feel that people from south Staffs wish they were from Birmingham, and people from north Staffs wish they were from Manchester.
Plus lets face it, most of our home towns have some strange personalities living there.
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Like "Vicar of Dibley" style? I love that show, I have the whole box set.
I think the air is different in country towns and while it's an obvious statement, I go to the nearest country town for a few hours when I really need it, I buy some mixed pickle relish, jam, sausages and a pie and a book. I always feel better. They always talk to you in country towns, it's nice.

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On p11 Robert Howells writes:

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According to the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the name priory of Sion stemmed from the order's inception in the Holy Land at the time of the Crusades...Later investigators claimed that the name was derived from a hill called Sion near where Pierre Plantard lived as a child


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PostPosted: 15 Oct 2011 12:37 pm 
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http://www.gnostictemplars.org/guardians.html
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Rob Howells: The Priory of Sion
Rob shares fascinating information about the organization that claims to guard the secret Bloodline from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Rob has been in direct contact with the Priory for the past ten years and was a special consultant and liaison for Bruce Burgess in the film Bloodline.


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Bruce Burgess, René Barnett & Robert Howells – Compilers-The Priory of Sion Dossiers (2009
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Rob Howells is a writer and researcher who has investigated esoteric and historic mysteries such as Rennes-le-Château and the Priory of Sion for the past 20 years.

The Priory of Sion was thrust into the limelight in Dan Brown’s worldwide bestseller The Da Vinci Code – here at last is an insider’s guide to this mysterious organisation. Here is the first book to shine a spotlight on this group, drawing upon evidence from the Priory itself. It shows that the Priory is releasing information in a series of disclosures, to prepare the world for a catastrophe. This apocalyptic event will culminate in the emergence of a world saviour figure belonging to the bloodline of Christ.


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The 2008 documentary Bloodline [56] by Bruce Burgess, a filmmaker with an interest in paranormal claims, expands on the "Jesus bloodline" hypothesis and other elements of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. [57] Accepting as valid the testimony of an amateur archaeologist codenamed "Ben Hammott" relating to his discoveries made in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Château since 1999; Burgess claims Ben has found the treasure of Bérenger Saunière: a mummified corpse, which they believe is Mary Magdalene, in an underground tomb they claim is connected to both the Knights Templar and the Priory of Sion. In the film, Burgess interviews several people with alleged connections to the Priory of Sion, including a Gino Sandri and Nicolas Haywood. A book by one of the documentary's researchers, Rob Howells, entitled Inside the Priory of Sion: Revelations from the World's Most Secret Society - Guardians of the Bloodline of Jesus [58] (containing a foreword by Nicolas Haywood) presented the version of the Priory of Sion as given in the 2008 documentary, giving erroneous facts such as Pierre Plantard believing in the Jesus bloodline,[59] and that Plantard lived in the village of Annemasse when a young boy.[60]




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Watkins Books is an esoteric bookshop in the heart of London. Established over 100 years ago, we are now one of the world's leading independent bookshops specialising in new, second-hand and antiquarian titles in the Mind, Body, Spirit field. We import books from around the world including America and India, and our staff are all experts in one or more themes in the shop, so you can ask them for recommendations and advice.

http://www.watkinspublishing.co.uk/AboutUs.aspx

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Watkins publishes both illustrated and non-illustrated books in Spiritual Wisdom, Self-Help and Inspiration, and Health & Well-being, as well as continuing its long tradition of publishing core esoteric titles. There is an active backlist of over 350 titles.

Founded in 1894, Watkins is the oldest name in Mind, Body & Spirit publishing. The imprint was the original publisher of Carl Jung, Madame Blavatsky and other luminaries of spiritual wisdom and psychology, and also specialised in the spiritual traditions, ancient wisdom, philosophy and alternative health.


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Duncan Baird Publishers (DBP) acquired the Watkins Publishing imprint in 2004.

Among our unillustrated titles, publishing highlights over the years have included important books on Nostradamus by bestselling novelist Mario Reading, by Osho on aspects of Buddhism, and by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler on the secret wisdom of antiquity.

Our landmark illustrated titles include Tara Fraser's bestselling Yoga for You, numerous books by David Fontana on symbolism, dreams and meditation, and The Essential Guide to Crystals by Simon and Sue Lilly.
Our policy is to publish books that are illuminating and inspiring, or practically helpful, from authors who are outstanding in their fields or have original and important things to say. We pride ourselves on our standards of design, production, artwork and photography, and editorial attention to fluency, clarity, accessibility and accuracy.


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Robert Howells: "My next book project will be about Prophecies and the Popes"about 1 day ago
Robert Howells: "I think it's important to balance the masculine & feminine; I hope this book follows in that tradition"about 1 day ago
Robert Howells: "The big question of Rennes-le-Château is Jesus buried there? The badge is a pilgrim badge from the 'Secret Diversion'"about 1 day ago
Robert Howells: "This is the path of Gnosis -personal insight- We have an urge to find meaning in the environment; you don't need priests"



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However, upon further examination, I grudgingly decided that the investment was worthwhile in the end, if for no other reason than the hours of endless amusement provided by the email exchanges.



Although most of the discussions contained the usual evasive hints that we have come to expect from these quarters, there are a couple of pearls worth relating, as they say more about the veracity of the sources than actually providing any useful information.



To my immense surprise, a reference in Nic Haywood's Prefatory Notes not only checked out, but also provided an extremely interesting subtext, if one knows what to look for.



Haywood writes, "It would be a joyous recollection to tell you of my close friendship with old Geoffrey Watkin, my subsequent involvement with the Magnum Opus, and eventually with the Prieure de Sion."



As it happens, I know someone who was around back in the old days when Geoffrey Watkin owned London's famous Watkins Bookstore and, astonishingly, my contact actually thought he remembered a young boy by the name of Nicolas Haywood being part of Geoffrey's hermetic cabal.



Furthermore, the reference to Watkins was intriguing in itself because Watkins Bookstore performed the crucial role of a "secret letter drop" location back in the 1990s, when I myself first started cruising around the world of secret societies, acquiring dodgy dossiers. Small world, eh?


WATKINS BOOKSHOP VS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH :shock: :?

http://www.gloriaamendola.com/blog_bloodline.html

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Bruce: I believe, and our sources with the Church have told us, that they have always known that the doctrine was nothing more than a convenient story with which to control the masses. They have always known the truth, and I think there has been a long running schism within the Church, especially within Rome, at the highest levels, between those who have tried to follow a more esoteric, spiritual doctrine, and those who don't. Remember, the Vatican, by dint of its archives, is in fact, the largest new age bookstore in the world, and also the most prolific funder of 'heretica’' art by da Vinci and others. There is lots of proof, right in front of our eyes, that they have always known the truth.

Robert: I doubt the Vatican will admit their 'mistakes' just yet. To my knowledge the Catholic members of Sion are very much in favor of keeping things just as they are.


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Duncan Baird Publishers is the leading independent publisher of illustrated books in the fields of Mind, Body & Spirit, Health and Well-being, Culture and Civilizations, and Religion and Faith. Founded in 1992, we are committed to innovation, design, editorial excellence and imagination, creating unique books for today's readership.
Watkins Publishing (est.1894) joined DBP in 2003 and continues in its long tradition of unillustrated publishing, specialising in the spiritual traditions of the world, ancient wisdom, divination and philosophy. Whether you are a book buyer or a bookshop, we welcome you.

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Rob has been in direct contact with the Priory for the past ten years and was a special consultant and liaison for Bruce Burgess in the film Bloodline.


This explains why Burgess got all the facts so wrong. Is this fake "Haywood P de S" selling memberships in the UK? Or is this just all for a lark?


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Rob has been in direct contact with the Priory for the past ten years and was a special consultant and liaison for Bruce Burgess in the film Bloodline.


This explains why Burgess got all the facts so wrong. Is this fake "Haywood P de S" selling memberships in the UK? Or is this just all for a lark?


Good question Tertius, about the memberships. I was under the impression you had to be "picked" and show "special qualities". Sometimes it's just for the "glory."

When you think about it, it was smart because everyone in the film and I would say there were genuine reseachers along with others, when they realised something was up it was too late....
the film in a strange way protects itself, that's of course if you believe paranormal activity is a real documentary.

There is a thread Bruce opened up to address some of the people - he seemed to suggest he had been duped himself. Although maybe he felt like expanding into an acting career. I found his belated outrage a little bit forced.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3260

Duncan Baird publishing and Imago publishing are probably the most interesting connections in relation to watkins.
So I'm not so sure it's just for a lark.

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The guys ( & gals ? ) with the PoS badges put me in mind of kids lucky enough to get Blue Peter badges to show off. And Biggles badges, free with every packet of Corn Flakes.


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The guys ( & gals ? ) with the PoS badges put me in mind of kids lucky enough to get Blue Peter badges to show off. And Biggles badges, free with every packet of Corn Flakes.


It's an inert form of the Captain Crunch decoder rings, you introduce a visual archtypal symbol i.e. badge and it acts like a trigger or seed.

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It's an inert form of the Captain Crunch decoder rings, you introduce a visual archtypal symbol i.e. badge and it acts like a trigger or seed.


Like the swastika


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It's an inert form of the Captain Crunch decoder rings, you introduce a visual archtypal symbol i.e. badge and it acts like a trigger or seed.


Like the swastika


Yes it includes the SS insignia a runic symbol for thunder etc..., it's why heraldic symbolism is so important. Something which I believe TCP knows a lot about.

It's why the comment is made about Plantard being a master of symbolism. Part of his role was the education through cultural manipulation of symbology including archetypal forms, storytelling etc...

One of the reasons why it's so effective is because it bypasses critical thinking functions and embeds itself into the subconcious without the target being aware.

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It's an inert form of the Captain Crunch decoder rings, you introduce a visual archtypal symbol i.e. badge and it acts like a trigger or seed.


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Like the swastika


Or perhaps they wore Priory of Sion badges, because they hoped that doing so would fool people into believing that they represented the Priory of Sion...

Edited - Sorry, I quoted Tingra but mistakenly attributed said quote to Sheila...my deepest apologies...

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I wouldn't be surprised to read, in a few months time, an interview where 'they' state 'cryptically' that 'they' didn't wear Priory of Sion badges because 'they' were that lame, but because they were 'seeding' symbolism..."think swastika, if you will!" he said, enigmatically...

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It's an inert form of the Captain Crunch decoder rings, you introduce a visual archtypal symbol i.e. badge and it acts like a trigger or seed.


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Like the swastika


Or perhaps they wore Priory of Sion badges, because they hoped that doing so would fool people into believing that they represented the Priory of Sion...


Or perhaps they were engaged in a more familiar form of "messaging" trying to get people to go to Cafe Press and buy stuff. Personally I would go with a hoodie - nothing screams secret society like a cowl eh?

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Hi Caelum,

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Or perhaps they were engaged in a more familiar form of "messaging" trying to get people to go to Cafe Press and buy stuff. Personally I would go with a hoodie - nothing screams secret society like a cowl eh?


Personally, I think cowls are overrated. IMHO nothing beats an old-fashioned cloak for effect...

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Rob has been in direct contact with the Priory for the past ten years and was a special consultant and liaison for Bruce Burgess in the film Bloodline.


This explains why Burgess got all the facts so wrong. Is this fake "Haywood P de S" selling memberships in the UK? Or is this just all for a lark?


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The formally registered association was dissolved some time after October 1956 but intermittently revived for different reasons by Plantard between 1961 and 1993, though in name and on paper only. The Priory of Sion is considered dormant by the subprefecture because it has indicated no activities since 1956. According to French law, subsequent references to the Priory bear no legal relation to that of 1956 and no one, other than the original signatories, is entitled to use its name in an official capacity. André Bonhomme played no part in the association after 1956. He officially resigned in 1973 when he heard that Plantard was linking his name with the association. In light of Plantard's death in 2000, there is no one who is currently alive who has official permission to use the name.[16]

^ Pierre Jarnac, Les Archives de Rennes-le-Château, Tome II, Editions Belisane, 1988, p. 566.


Any membership selling in the U.K. would be illegal anyway. I'm sure there is a EuroUnion law preventing this although I doubt anyone would invoke it.

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On p11 Robert Howells writes:

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According to the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the name priory of Sion stemmed from the order's inception in the Holy Land at the time of the Crusades...Later investigators claimed that the name was derived from a hill called Sion near where Pierre Plantard lived as a child


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a French priest speaking in French would use the word Colza, from the Dutch koolzaad. If he spoke Occitan he would have said Colzà.....If he spoke Latin he would have called it Brassica napus . Rapeseed is an English word derived from the Latin for turnip, rāpa or rāpum.

However, any trade in colza oil would probably be the other way around, with Saunière trading it down from the North of the country...another interesting connection with the area around Lille.


En France, la production d'huile de colza a pris une grande importance dans les années 1750-1850 dans les départements du nord de la France et notamment en Flandre. Les Statistique du département du Nord du préfet Dieudonné montrent que la culture du colza s'étend alors dans le nord : « Le colza est celle de ces plantes qui est cultivée le plus généralement et avec le plus d’abondance dans les arrondissements de Lille, Hazebrouck et Douai."

« la Flandre est la contrée du monde où la culture des plantes oléagineuses et la fabrication de l’huile ont pris, depuis longtemps, le plus d’extension, et ont fait le plus de progrès. On compte autour de Lille, près de deux cents moulins à huile, appelés tordoirs, que le vent fait mouvoir et depuis 1814 on établit chaque année, des machines à vapeur destinées au même usage »


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Constraints are used as a means of triggering ideas and inspiration, most notably Perec's "story-making machine", which he used in the construction of Life: A User's Manual. As well as established techniques, such as lipograms (Perec's novel A Void) and palindromes, the group devises new techniques, often based on mathematical problems, such as the Knight's Tour of the chess-board and permutations.

Oulipo was founded on November 24, 1960, as a subcommittee of the Collège de ‘Pataphysique and titled Séminaire de littérature expérimentale. At their second meeting, the group changed its name to Ouvroir de littérature potentielle, or Oulipo, at Albert-Marie Schmidt's suggestion. The idea had arisen two months earlier, when a small group met in September at Cerisy-la-Salle for a colloquium on Queneau's work. During this seminar, Queneau and François Le Lionnais conceived of the society.

During the subsequent decade, Oulipo (as it was commonly known) was only rarely visible as a group. As a subcommittee, they reported their work to the full Collège de 'Pataphysique in 1961. In addition, Temps Mêlés (French) devoted an issue to Oulipo in 1964, and Belgian radio broadcast one Oulipo meeting. Its members were individually active during these years and published works which were created within their constraints. The group as a whole began to emerge from obscurity in 1973 with the publication of La Littérature Potentielle, a collection of representative pieces.




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Albert-Marie Schmidt (1901-1966), longtemps professeur d'université à Caen et à Lille, fut l’un des meilleurs spécialistes du XVIe siècle et de la Renaissance. Ses travaux sur les Grands rhétoriqueurs font autorité. Membre de l'Église réformée, il collabora longtemps au journal calviniste La Réforme.

Il est aussi un des membres fondateurs de l'Oulipo et à l’origine de l’acronyme Olipo, puis Oulipo, en proposant de renommer ainsi le Sélitex (Séminaire de littérature expérimentale).

Son nom a été donné à la bibliothèque de l'UFR Lettres Modernes de l'Université de Lille III.

Son fils est l'écrivain et historien Joël Schmidt.

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Albert-Marie Schmidt ( in 1901 - 1966 ), long time university professor at Caen and Lille , was one of the best specialists in the XVI th century and the Renaissance . His work on the Great rhetoricians authoritative. Member of the Reformed Church , the newspaper he worked long Calvinist Reformation .

It is also a founding member of the Oulipo and the origin of the acronym Olipo and Oulipo, and proposing to rename the Sélitex (Seminar experimental literature).

His name was given to the library of the Faculty of Modern Literature from the University of Lille III .

His son is the writer and historian Joel Schmidt .

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Robert Howells: "My next book project will be about Prophecies and the Popes"about 1 day ago


Maybe he should read this. :lol:

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Las Profecias Del Papa Juan XXIII: La Historia de la Humanidad de 1935 a 2033
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Les Prophéties du Pape Jean XXIII (J'ai lu, no. A 353)

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TCP wrote:
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Hi,

On p11 Robert Howells writes:

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According to the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the name priory of Sion stemmed from the order's inception in the Holy Land at the time of the Crusades...Later investigators claimed that the name was derived from a hill called Sion near where Pierre Plantard lived as a child


:|

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As a child?

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 Post subject: Re: Inside the Priory of Sion
PostPosted: 18 Oct 2011 7:49 pm 
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Caelum wrote:
Or perhaps they were engaged in a more familiar form of "messaging" trying to get people to go to Cafe Press and buy stuff. Personally I would go with a hoodie - nothing screams secret society like a cowl eh?

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Oh, that's just sad. Is this how they're reduced to raising cash?

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