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PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 10:07 pm 
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Unless it's in the church...doubtful as it would've been mentioned before now....or in the landscape..this is cromlech territory after all.. :idea:


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Chapter 9 'Pilgrimage' ; page 142: "and a labyrinth at Rennes-les-Bains that harks back to the old design on cathedral floors"

A labyrinth at RLB ? Where ? I know there's a stone labyrinth at Nebias about 10 miles west of RLB but never knew of one in RLB. Having said that I've never had access to the church in RLB. Drat..double drat.



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those pictures are Nebias though aren't they? Not at RLB?
So the only labyrinth at RLB would be metaphorical? handy.


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yep that's Nebias - part of it anyway.


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Howells writes that Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1492 (oops !)
Never mind, I'm enjoying the chapter devoted to Serpent Rouge (translated by Nicolle Dawe), a work I've paid little heed to before now, ( I tend to pay little attention to astrology, y'know I mean Russell Grant, Mystic Meg etc.) But Serpent Rouge is fascinating indeed.


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I just know of Haywood's apocalypse belief of a "deluge" which he talked about in Bloodline
in the book of Howells is there more expansion on this


Yeh Rob Howell's did talk about a flood scenario at the RG, and also said that the PS were 'drip feeding' the public for want of a better phrase. Guy Patton in his presentation mentioned Haywood and said that he had been exposed as a fraud around fifteen years ago.

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Mr Haywood seems to me to have too much money, too much time on his hands, a highly mischievous character and a huge ego....ooo sounds like someone else doesn't it


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I just know of Haywood's apocalypse belief of a "deluge" which he talked about in Bloodline
in the book of Howells is there more expansion on this


Yeh Rob Howell's did talk about a flood scenario at the RG, and also said that the PS were 'drip feeding' the public for want of a better phrase. Guy Patton in his presentation mentioned Haywood and said that he had been exposed as a fraud around fifteen years ago.


That must've been an uncomfortable moment for Howells.

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I'm actually enjoying the book, on the landscape chapter, invisible temple as seen from Bezu and so on. It resonates (this part of the book that is)to a certain extent if one is familiar with the area.


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'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:


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'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:

:lol: :lol:

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Pilrig wrote:
'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:


We know what you mean! And I totally agree with your comment further up about this part of the book being so good to read, particularly if one has been there, and can visualise the landscape. These are the best parts of the book, I think, where he talks about his own experiences of going there, and shares various thoughts and anecdotes. Whatever one might say about the rest of the book, Howells most definitely has a great appreciation for the landscape around Rennes, and he certainly seems to have put in the hard miles on the ground, and explored its many by-ways, and various nooks and crannies. I would have liked a lot more of that, and rather less about the Priory of Sion, personally.


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Eginolf wrote:
Pilrig wrote:
'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:

:lol: :lol:

You can't judge a book by its cover ... but by its content.


And honest to God, some of the RLC chapters make me want to jump on to the next flight to Toulouse and hire a car down to the place.


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Pilrig wrote:
Eginolf wrote:
Pilrig wrote:
'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:

:lol: :lol:

You can't judge a book by its cover ... but by its content.


And honest to God, some of the RLC chapters make me want to jump on to the next flight to Toulouse and hire a car down to the place.


One guy I know just jumped on a plane to (sweden,norway) wherever??? because there is Ice there and he wanted to go back home to go skating.
He booked on Monday left Tuesday is there now and is having great fun - got someone to take his shifts.
What I'm trying to say is just go Pilrig. To us, in Australia you literally live next door to RLC. It makes you happy, live your life jump on a plane and go.

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Crow wrote:
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I just know of Haywood's apocalypse belief of a "deluge" which he talked about in Bloodline
in the book of Howells is there more expansion on this


Yeh Rob Howell's did talk about a flood scenario at the RG, and also said that the PS were 'drip feeding' the public for want of a better phrase. Guy Patton in his presentation mentioned Haywood and said that he had been exposed as a fraud around fifteen years ago.


Thanks Crow
It does seem this Deluge scenario is playing out in the 2012 ...End of Days scenario

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Pilrig wrote:
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Pilrig wrote:
'invisible temple as seen from Bezu'...jeezzzz :oops:

:lol: :lol:

You can't judge a book by its cover ... but by its content.


And honest to God, some of the RLC chapters make me want to jump on to the next flight to Toulouse and hire a car down to the place.


I felt like that while reading City of Secrets, so I did :lol: :lol:
Girona is a special place despite all the negativity surrounding the book :D


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rain wrote:
Pilrig wrote:

And honest to God, some of the RLC chapters make me want to jump on to the next flight to Toulouse and hire a car down to the place.


One guy I know just jumped on a plane to (sweden,norway) wherever??? because there is Ice there and he wanted to go back home to go skating.
He booked on Monday left Tuesday is there now and is having great fun - got someone to take his shifts.
What I'm trying to say is just go Pilrig. To us, in Australia you literally live next door to RLC. It makes you happy, live your life jump on a plane and go.


Yep, I know from my Aussie rellies and friends that a hundred miles is just round the corner. Mebbe Couiza in another year as we're already booked up for this summer
http://www.bayreuth.de/sehenswuerdigkei ... s_781.html


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Pilrig wrote:
rain wrote:
Pilrig wrote:

And honest to God, some of the RLC chapters make me want to jump on to the next flight to Toulouse and hire a car down to the place.


One guy I know just jumped on a plane to (sweden,norway) wherever??? because there is Ice there and he wanted to go back home to go skating.
He booked on Monday left Tuesday is there now and is having great fun - got someone to take his shifts.
What I'm trying to say is just go Pilrig. To us, in Australia you literally live next door to RLC. It makes you happy, live your life jump on a plane and go.


Yep, I know from my Aussie rellies and friends that a hundred miles is just round the corner. Mebbe Couiza in another year as we're already booked up for this summer
http://www.bayreuth.de/sehenswuerdigkei ... s_781.html


Found out he went to Holland(the netherlands).

Looks nice, Beer and Schnitzels - just think Pilrig if you lived in RLB then RLC would really be just down the road.

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Looks nice, Beer and Schnitzels - just think Pilrig if you lived in RLB then RLC would really be just down the road.


Up the hill actually ! :)


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Pilrig wrote:
Unless it's in the church...doubtful as it would've been mentioned before now....or in the landscape..this is cromlech territory after all.. :idea:


If I remember correctly Richard gave me this link ages ago. So thank-you Richard.

http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/es ... dson3.html
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Also in the tomb was information about the secrets of the surrounding countryside in a form accessible to initiates, but only partially comprehensible to Sauniere. When Henri Boudet wrote of the Cromlech - or stone circle - surrounding Rennes-les-Bains, he was speaking quite literally. He was derided in his time, as he still is today, because he has been taken literally. But author David Wood has rediscovered a circle of churches rebuilt atop older ruins - as was customary for Catholic churches to be built atop Celtic sacred sites - which does encircle the area around Rennes-le-Château. Boudet knew that the Celts used standing stones to designate telluric points. And they used standing stone circles for religious purposes.(15) When he wrote that a stone cromlech (i.e, circle of standing stones) marked the area around Rennes-les-Bains, Boudet was saying that the entire area is key telluric point which was used for religious purposes.


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A labyrinth is a particular type of spiritual training tool, a groundplan which the seeker physically walks, and which incorporates three degrees, or stages. In the first stage, the individual sheds, or is stripped, of his personal entrappings, and sheds and transforms his unnecessary, negative characteristics. In the second stage, the individual is forced to come face to face with himself and find the core of his being. In the third stage, the individual returns to the world a different person. Like the old initiates, like Lazarus, he comes out of the initiatic cave or labyrinth, born again. These stages mirror the steps of the spiritual training systems used in monasteries and initiatic esoteric orders. In the western training system, these steps can take many years. In the eastern system, they are designed to take lifetimes.

Until the last century, in parts of rural Ireland and Wales, many ancient Celtic customs were preserved and several labyrinths, their actual purpose long forgotten, were maintained and the custom of ritualistically walking them observed. The ancient ritual consisted of entering the labyrinth from the north, and proceeding through it in a clockwise, processional fashion. At Rennes-le-Château, this would entail entering the valley near Blanchefort and the mountain of Pech Cardou, and eventually emerging at Rennes-le-Château. This represents the descent of spirit into man, its symbolic entombment at Rennes-le-Château, and eventual emergence.


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The path of the Rennes-les-Bains / Rennes-le-Château labyrinth was clearly marked in the past by a series of fourteen carved crosses in the landscape. They eventually became overgrown and forgotten. They were rediscovered by Abbe Boudet and he wrote of how he found Greek crosses carved in the landscape of his Cromlech.(16) To the Celts, the landscape held a special meaning.(17) They held a special spiritual communion with it, and used it as a mirror for the themes of their bards and of their Druids.(18) 600 years before Christ, Celtic crosses were used to mark special locations in the landscape.(19) Later, in these same locations in Christian times, the stations of the cross were placed in the landscape in Italy and in France to reenact in Christian terms the labyrinth experience,(20) and to create a mystical Christian spiritual transformation. In the area surrounding Rennes-les-Bains, the crosses were recarved in Christian times into "Greek" Christian crosses. Visiting these sites was the reason Sauniere took long walks in the countryside. The labyrinth of the two Rennes can be walked in fourteen successive stages.


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15. Nigel Pennick. Celtic Sacred Landscapes. Thames & Hudson. New York. 1996. p. 51.

16. Michael Gabriel. The Holy Valley and The Holy Mountain. Hurst Village Publishing. Reading. 1994. P. 131.

17. John King. The Celtic Druid's Year. Blandford. London. 1995.p. 20.

18. Pennick, p. 9.

19. Ibid., p. 47.

20. Ibid., p. 90.

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As to the above I also have other links - but IMO you will need to seperate fiction from fact. I don't necessarily agree with everything all authors say but some of them do have relevant points.
So here is another link - it allows us to relate the calender back to the area and way the labyrinths are designed in conjunction with the calenders.
Part of walking a labyrinth is walking it at the correct time and date including the season.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-Valley-Mou ... 9992010487

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Thanks Rain, well that explains the labyrinth of RLB. Didn't think it was in the church (not that I ever got in there ! :? ) As for the book Holy Valley... I saw that on sale in both RLC bookshops, I didn't buy it though (which is unusual for me regarding English language books about RLC) . Going by the review in Amazon perhaps I made the right decision ? Anyone prepared to say a good word about this book ?


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"On exit, this February 9, "The heiress of the abbé Saunière" of Martine Alix Coppier and Jean-Michel Thibaux, the Gazette of Rennes-le-Château is the second part of the interview with Jean-Michel Thibaux online: "I have long sought what was hiding the Priory of Sion, to guess what was Pierre Plantard." Now I know that he did not act freely and was used to fuse a group pursuing an aim that still escapes me. It was necessary, for example, historically linking the Priory to other movements. Many Masonic and other lodges Rosicrucianism as polar on the matter of Rennes in the 19th century and during the first half of the 20th. "I've isolated three that seem to me fundamental: Johannistes, Asian brothers and, most importantly, closer to us, the Ordo Novi Templi" (Jean-Michel Thibaux)"
http://www.portail-rennes-le-chateau.co ... .html#int2

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Finished it yesterday - aye,I know - what a slowcoach :roll: .

And my reaction, well as Richard Webster pointed out its a curate's egg of a book and as he also says certainly not an in-depth investigation of the Priory. If it be the Priory that is. I go back to what I wrote earlier on this thread, that Howells suggests they (Haywood and co.) appear to be a group of adepts or whatever who have adopted the PoS 'brand' if you like. Mr Haywood, I'm not sure how serious to take him, in the Bloodline movie he appeared mysterious for the sake of being mysterious. He may be a practicing umpteen-degree mason, knowledgeable in esoterica and alchemy but somehow I doubt that he has any connection to the Plantard Priory or even the Sandri Priory. But what would I know.
For me the book has two strengths: the passages on alchemy and hermeticism, which at times almost match Baigent and Leigh's excellent The Elixir and the Stone . The second, as Richard has also pointed out, Howell's enthusiasm for Rennes-le-Chateau and it's mystery. The guy clearly knows and loves the area and at times this can be infectious, it made me want to return to the area toot suit, and I have to say the Apocalypse chapter furthered my interested in the book by and theories of Elizabeth van Buren.
Myself and others have pointed out the frequent errors in the book, but that shouldn't detract too much from some inspired writing, in particular the closing chapter, for example: "As we have immersed ourselves in this myriad of esoteric subjects there remained a purity to their message, a clear stream of knowledge that flows in all directions from the centre of a rose." And " It is entirely possible for anyone to be humble and compassionate, tolerant and forgiving, wholly accepting of difference to the point of complete equality. This is true Christianity." Amen to that !


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