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Wrong again. Mr. Howell gets it all wrong. Don't believe in him.

Hi,

On p70 Howells writes that:





Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

On p70 Howells, supposedly quoting Nic Haywood, writes that:





Regards,

Spartacus

Saint Peter was married

This is how one can pretty much spot the faker. Plantard was happy just being a Merovingian without all the Jesus bloodline crap.

A long lost French king trying his best to divert attention from another long lost French king, the poor spoiler...

TCP

Hi Tim

Tim wrote:



My point exactly...

Tim wrote:



Motive is key...

Regards,

Spartacus

Ego. And Grand Mastership in an order that neither wound up getting as one's claims were just as tenuous as the other's (although the first had more influential supporters). Best laid plans and all that...

TCP

What is at issue is - what was/is the motive of the 'influential supporters'?

Money, prestige among their peers - the usual.

TCP

Let me amend this to add "saving face"...if one's surname is Faucigny...

TCP

Hi,

On p74 Howells writes that:






Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

On p78 Howells writes that:





Regards,

Spartacus

Hi,

On p78-79 Howells writes that:





Regards,

Spartacus

I know Rob has friends here, but even they would have to admit this is just plain sloppiness, wouldn't they?

Spart, a mutual colleague of ours is currently reading this book and has the distinct impression that Rob is "positioning" himself as spokesman for the "Priory" - is that the impression you get as well?

TCP

No. It is a tracing of an identical-to-the-original facsimile first published in the late nineteenth century. It is faithful to the original except for Cherisey's minor modifications and latin errors.

Fruit of the poisoned tree, from Haywood, to Howell, still shit.

Are you sure you don't have that backwards?

TCP

Hi Tim,

Tim wrote:



Well, since you've asked...

Rob does have friends here and I know nothing of him personally...so I'm reluctant to do a 'hatchet job' (if I wanted to do that I'd do it on Amazon, something I wont be doing), but this is a thread about Rob's book (and therefore also the claims made in that book IMHO) and this is a public forum dedicated to discussions of the themes explored in Inside the Priory of Sion.

For that reason I 'cherry picked' the most basic examples of what you refer to as 'sloppiness'. I highlighted these in each of the previous posts on this thread, where I quoted and then attached a neutral face. I thought perhaps they might become discussion points, but alas...

Perhaps more importantly, I thought doing so would place in context the claims made by Rob and by extension Nic Haywood.

Let's be clear, Rob claims to be:



It might be expected therefore, considering the above claims, that Rob is well versed in the basic Priory of Sion documented history and narrative. Yet his 'sloppiness' strongly suggests that, either, he is actually clueless, or he is misrepresenting the data to suit his narrative purposes...which of course leads on to your second query

Tim wrote:



Instead of hedging about, I'll answer honestly...Yes, absolutely IMHO.

But I feel I need to elaborate on how I understand it...

Rob IMHO is indeed trying to position himself as 'spokesman for the "Priory" (he certainly wouldn't be the first however) but I think it is important to discuss what "Priory" exactly! IMHO Rob is trying to position himself as 'spokesman' or 'go-to-expert' for the 'Publishing "Priory"' as opposed to the PPlantard "Priory". By 'Publishing Priory' I mean the cash-cow fantasy Priory of Sion, that claims that the Priory of Sion is the pre-eminent Goddess blah, blah, blah and the guardians of the bloodline blah, blah, blah. And I haven't had the time to read all of Rob's book yet, but isn't the punch line something along the lines of the Priory of Sion being also the guardians of 'mankind' itself! Since I am convinced that all of the above is absurd nonsense, I can only imagine Rob as 'chief spokesman' for a cash friendly publishing world fantasy (akin to being the spokesman for the Order of Phoenix from the Harry Potter narrative). If I was to make a guess, I'd probably guess that Rob is aware of this as well, and see's this as a good career move, similar in a way to say Kathleen McGowan, who must really have known that she was not actually the so-called 'Chosen One' (able to bring instant world peace by her mere presence!)

Considering the above, I'd suggest that if one was to take a look at the examples of 'sloppiness' in Inside the Priory of Sion one might find that many of them are 'mistakes' that 'coincidently' support the cash-friendly, publishing world created bloodline/goddess/guardian fantasy narrative...




Regards,

Spartacus

Like you, I don't know Rob Howells, though I read his book last week, and would like to offer some comments at some point, once I've been through certain sections again. But my interim opinion on it, if you will, is that, yes, there are some dreadful howlers, such as those you have highlighted in several posts above (and frankly, I'm far less well versed in this topic than you and several others here, so if even I'm spotting them, then it doesn't speak too highly about the book's accuracy), and there's no doubt that his entire thesis is fatally and irretrievably compromised by his seeming acceptance of what he has been told by Haywood, and other un-named "Sion" sources, without anything much in the way of analysis or counter-argument. For a book called "Inside the Priory of Sion", which implies a work of investigative journalism, very little attempt is made to get inside this organisation, such as it is, at all, and there is also scant analysis of Sion's activies between the 1950s and the 1980s.

Those are the negatives, and they are obviously very considerable ones. On the plus side, the book does have some interesting parts to it, and some of Howell's (and I guess that also means, Haywood's) ideas, and interpretations about the mystery of Rennes, resonated with me, and made me consider afresh some of the key themes under discussion. Anyway, the point of this little intervention is to suggest that one might derive much more from this book if one sees it less as an investigation into "Sion" (which it assuredly isn't), and more as a form of initiatory journey by someone utterly enthralled by the mystery of Rennes, and thus prepared to put his trust in Haywood, however unwise that might be, and draw upon the ideas of a person absolutely steeped in the occult and the esoteric, in an attempt to help him understand the mystery better. Rob Howells, I quickly decided, is not really very interested at all in what Sion is, or was, but is completely fascinated in what Sion believes, and how they can help him to better understand something he's obviously been grappling with in his mind for many years. One might see that as a misguided approach, but it's one that I can understand, and to an extent empathise with. Instead of calling the book "Inside the Priory of Sion", something like "Interview with a Hermeticist" might have been a better and more accurate title. I'd also just add that, regardless of the content, this is a far better written book than most on RLC, and he presents his narrative in a highly coherent and understandable way.

I'm sorry I can't offer anything more detailed to say about the book at this stage, because I really need to read it a second time, but thought I would post the above, in case it helps one to find a more productive way of "reading" this book.

Yes, there are massive, dreadful, insurmountable problems with this book, but I genuinely felt there was much to appreciate as well, and there are some real nuggets of interest in there. I certainly don't regret reading it; I actually rather enjoyed it.

Now, Spart - is that any way to talk about the new Mrs. Filip Coppens?



Very insightful, I must say. I'll come back and address more pointedly once I get into the office.

TCP

Siôn is a Welsh form of the given name John (from the French Jean).

so instead of the Le Prieuré de Sion we get Le Prieuré de Jean.......Siôn and Jean both sound like Sean/Shaun when spoken aloud.


Priory of Sion...... pronounced as in "Siôn of the dead".

So who are the Priory of Jean.

And so many Jeans to choose from...

oh really...dig deeper.

Interesting ... Jean and its female form, Jeanne, are the given names of PdS "nautonniers" ...

I knew you'd say something like that...

Unless you can show conclusively that 'your Jean' is the 'true Jean'...well, all the other Jeans become candidates for one narrative or another...

At least give us a century. Or if you're talking about a human or a deity.

TCP