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Regards,

Spartacus

Hi Paddy,

Paddy wrote:



I'm not quite sure if this is a tongue-in-cheek question directed at the 'spam-amis' twaddle, or a genuine question relating to the topic of this thread...

Both BLL and P&P have argued that the competitions are a sort of code, perhaps directed at secret CPS cells.

Unfortunately, I have never viewed the early issues of CIRCUIT first hand.

Do you have any theories Paddy? If you do, I'd be interested in hearing them.

Regards,

Spartacus

What is your opinion of the content (and purpose) of the competitions in the 1956 editions of "Circuit"?

Paddy[/quote]


My Dear Paddy

May I be so bold as to suggest that the more relevant and interesting question to ponder would be who financed “Circuit”?

Bad move not-so-Hotspur, turning on the same people that played yr game and throwing them under the bus-ted when it came along.
For that you get the biggest razzie dazzie hot diggity dog salami award Come on now you know where to put it. [/quote]



Rain, My Dear Friend,

I am sure that you did not play along, as you say, to suit me.

I agree. It’s an interesting and important question.

Paddy

Hi



Was it Jean I?

Regards,

Spartacus

I was tempted once to think there might be something in the idea of a code, but I honestly don’t know, and am rather doubtful now.

Like everyone else, I’ve always been intrigued by the bizarre mismatch between the banal contents of “Circuit” and the grandiose chivalric ambitions enunciated in the Priory regulations. The only connection I could find was in the edition of “Circuit” for 1 July 1956. It’s in the first question of that month’s competition, which was set by Stanis Bellas. You may well have seen this before, but I’ll quote it anyway.

‘PROBLEME No. 1 - VALEUR 10 POINTS
Capitaine Français, né près de GRENOBLE, il se couvrit de gloire pendant les guerres “faites sous trois rois”. Sa bravoure lui valut un surnom célèbre; avant d’expirer il exprima à un autre combatant ces paroles : “Je meurs un homme de bien, mais j’ai pitié de vous, ... qui combattez contre votre Roi, votre patrie et votre serment”...
L’avez-vous reconnu?
Quel est son nom et prénom véritables?
STANIS BELLAS”

[Problem no. 1 . Value 10 points. French captain, born near Grenoble, he covered himself in glory during the wars under three kings. His bravery earned him a celebrated surname. Before expiring he expressed these words to another combatant. “I die a man of property, but I pity you who fight against your king, your country and your oath.” Have you recognised him? What is his real name and surname? Stanis Bellas.]

The answer, revealed in August, and which you’ve probably guessed, is “PIERRE de TERRAIL, Seigneur de Bayard.” In other words Le Chevalier Bayard .

This is a name which not only evokes chivalric glamour, of course, but also has an intriguing contemporary resonance (for the French after the war) which is discussed by Guy Patton in his books: Château Bayard, the centre of the Ecole Nationale d’Uriage and its Knight-Monks.


Other answers given in August to the other questions were to a little crossword, one of the answers to which is Nelson (as in Lord Nelson); and King Louis IV (interesting); and the planet Pluto (hmm).

I do have a theory about an aspect of these competitions in general which I’ll leave to another time.

Paddy

I suspect the publishers - who else ?

To paraphrase the immortal words of the lovely Mandy Rice Davies, they would say that, wouldn't they ?

I never said to "suit me" but your game, the one yr hooking spartacus into is at least transparent enough that it provides chuckles.
And also is at least more interesting then telling us the travel itinery of Gino Sandri, union rep.

Who did finance the advance publicity for HBHG?- It's easy to see the marketing ploy for DVC - it included having the books that DVC & HBHG referenced because they believed there would be an upsurge of sales in those books.

Rain,

Yes I know what you said, but I was not commenting on what you said or might not have said - I was merely making a comment about what your motives for responding to my posts were. I was suggesting your reasons for posting were purely your own and really nothing to do with "playing my game" as you put it.

I know I'm being a little churlish on the point but things are quiet at the moment and there doesn't appear to be a more pressing matter on the horizon. Just making my contribution to the fine tradition of backbiting and bickering that seems to permeate these pages.

I was getting around to talking about Gino's travel itinery but seeing you seem to be a tad disparaging about it, I won't trouble you with it.

And what "matter" are you scoping out for?

Using Gino's first name suggests familiarity - why don't you try this thread to post your thoughts about "Gino" and his union/martinist afflilitations - that way you can get your "salami, take over the world plan" going with union backing.
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See HS, I'm here to help you. I offer these contingency plans to facilitate an expedient processing of the matter.

And don't forget you used the word "churlish" to describe yourself..... just remember that!

Actually thinking about it, I'll take a wild guess and say it would be Israel. It's got an Israeli slant on things and promotes the thought that any temple treasure ultimately would go back to Israel after years in wilderness. Even if it was third party like the British, Spanish or the Russians then Israel still profits from it. It's an attack on Catholic beliefs not a promotion which again favours Israel as a religious leader of the Abrahamic legacy.

Yes Paddy
General Patton
American General George Patton had much of the Spear of Destinys history traced and authenticity confirmed. { The Patton Papers 1940-45} Not until the final decision came from General Eisenhower would General Patton release the Spear of Destiny, the complete Hapsburg regalia including the Spear of Longinus/Spear of Destiny was returned to the Hofburg Treasure House where it remains today. .

Or so the official record claims, there are conspiracy theories pertaining to the possibility that the US and/or Patton had a counterfeit copy returned to the Hapsburgs, and that the US or Patton's successors still secretly possess the Spear of Destiny.

AFAIK Patton was only able to trace the spear of destiny back to Constantine, approx 300 years after christ. Therefore any athenticity as to it being related to longinus(not really his name) is not proven. Also the nail was put in hundreds of years after so what did he really trace was it the spearhead - the wire - the nail or the sleeve and where is the handle in all this?

I took it these were Lincoln's private thoughts as he is jewish.

If Hitler after all had been that crazy about the spear (as Racenscroft writes) then Devilish Adolf would have had a copy made and put that one into Nürnberg Castle - for sure.

One more time: that piece in Vienna's Hofburg was made in the 8th century. Definitely
I must admit though: Ravenscroft's book on the spear is an appetizer for beginners. Only later on you'll realise you got trapped.

I was thinking about the comment Plantard makes about the temple treasure going back to Israel but since all three authors have editing rights and you expect that the core thesis of HBHG is to shift power of religion away from the Christian perspective - and promote the "lost temple treasure hunting" for those not caught up in the ensuing MM cafuffle you get a feeling that financing whether through intellectual value def. came from a Jewish perspective and you would expect it to be backed up with a monetary contribution.
I also think it undermined the faith people had in their religion although I don't think that was by design because they could not have predicted DVC and the ensuing popularity of their thesis.

What, trapped by Steiner? It's good to know before hand. Still makes it interesting.

Hi Paddy,

Paddy wrote:



Thanks Paddy. That’s good information. Unfortunately there’s not so much flowing around at the moment IMHO.

IMHO militant action Catholic lay orders could be very significant wthin the Sion saga, so the Uriage association is, for me at least, very suggestive.

Paddy wrote:



I’d be interested to hear it when times suits.

Regards,

Spartacus

Hi Rain,

Rain wrote:



Perhaps the answer involves the purpose of the original Priory Documents and what it was that they actually claimed (meaning what the actual Documents asserted). Perhaps the purpose of HBHG (if it had a purpose apart from simple fame and fortune for BLL) was not to diminish one religion but instead defend another religion.

Regards,

Spartacus

I should perhaps have added another coincidence, although I do not rate it any higher than that.

“Problem Number One” is the title of a rather significant book by Jules Romains: “ Le problème numéro un “, published in 1947. It’s not a book I’ve read myself but it’s one of the books discussed by Paul Le Cour in “L’Ere du Verseau” (“The Age of Aquarius”), a book which the Priory (or at least Pierre Plantard) seems to have known very well.

In the section of “The Age of Aquarius” concerned with “The Formation of a New Order of Chivalry”, Le Cour, you’ll remember, calls for the creation of new educational establishments, “Priories”, whose discipline would be both “héroique et sanctifiante”, and he cites various books including this one.

“Jules Romains dans Le problème numéro un , paru en 1947, souhaite, devant l’immense danger actuel, la formation d’un pouvoir spirituel constitué par un grand Ordre de chevalerie, et il lui semble que,pour sa réalisation, l’appui de l’Eglise catholique serait d’un grand secours.”
“Jules Romains in “The Problem Number One” published in 1947 wishes, in view of the immense current danger, for the formation of a spiritual power consisting of a grand Order of Chivalry, and it seems to him that, for its realisation, the support of the Catholic church would be a great assistance.”

As I say, I don’t rate this as any more than a coincidence, a sort of decorative finial on a house of cards, but I thought it might be of some interest (although I have my doubts).

Paddy

Hi Roger,

Roger wrote:



No. AFAIK Segonzac attempted to draw together a carefully chosen ‘elite’ that could be described as anti-liberal conservative revolutionaries. Some members of militant action Catholic groups could also IMHO be described as anti-liberal conservative revolutionaries. So I see a parallel. Militant action Catholicism, Uriage, and Plantard all AFAIK called for a ‘French national renewal’, an anti-liberal conservative ‘renewal’.

If Plantard was serious about ‘renewal’ he would presumably have had an interest in other ‘renewal-ists’, so I think the reference in CIRCUIT is suggestive of a ‘play’ on an ongoing theme and may not be a simple ‘coinky dink’ that appeared by chance in the children’s puzzle section of the Priory of Sion publication…

Regards,

Spartacus

Hi Paddy,

This stuff is really excellent. Thanks again.

Regards,

Spartacus