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He moved effortlessly between the genuine and the fake while managing not to be seen as aligned with either, that's for certain.

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He would have made a good spy journalist with the talents he had

According to "Peronnik" (a pseudonym of temple member Robert Chabrier) in his book, "Pourquoi la Résurgence de l'Ordre du Temple? Tome Premier: Le Corps" ("Why a Revival of the Order of the Solar Temple? Vol. One: The1 Body") 1975, pp. 147–149 [1], the aims of the Order of the Solar Temple included: establishing "correct notions of authority and power in the world"; an affirmation of the primacy of the spiritual over the temporal; assisting humanity through a great "transition"; preparing for the Second Coming of Jesus as a solar god-king; and furthering a unification of all Christian churches and Islam.

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"Pourquoi la Résurgence de l'Ordre du Temple? Tome Premier: Le Corps" ("Why a Revival of the Order of the Solar Temple? Vol. One: The1 Body") 1975


This mistranslation creates an amalgame between the so-called templar revival (a famous Breyer fraude involving the Chateau d'Arginy) and a revival of the temple solaire. Some of the very same people were involved in both operations, but they were very different from each other and should not be confused.


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La Méridienne Verte
The French year 2000 project designed to place Lime Trees down the old Paris Meridian.

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The Lime tree avenue leading to the Shepherd monument at Shugborough Hall.

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From Rennes le Chateau church to Arques church = Six miles (exactly) or two Leagues.

It matters not a damn that this can't be done, IT HAS BEEN DONE. Deal with it.

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The Round church(?) of Trondheim, Norway.
The old name for Trondheim means Serpent.

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The Round church(?) of Trondheim, Norway.
The old name for Trondheim means Serpent.


So I guess Roscoe you're trying to say we should be looking at Trondheim, Norway not Rennes Le Chateau for the pentacled temple courtesy of the Da Vinci Code.

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"Me l'an donat, l'ai panat, l'ai parat é bé lo teni"


What do you think this is a reference to? Do you think it can be a reference to an idea, to a cult, to a geographic feature? Because it can't.


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the translation and understanding of the word panat is usually not quite explained correctly., because....
panat (volé)...it means to steal.

for example: On m'a volé mon sac = Qué m'ann panat lou sac
On m'a volé mon appareil photo dans le train = M'an panat l'aparelh fòto dins lo trin


Panar, pana "voler, dépouiller". Un visiteur confirme: "pana était utilisé couramment par mon père au sens de "raoubar", càd "dérober" ( to rob en anglais). " Il s'agit d'un mot languedocien et gascon, avec quelques attestations en franco-provençal de Lyon, probablement par emprunt à l'occitan.

To steal or to rob.

and.....

parar = protéger, défendre; garder les bêtes; garde, surveillance (action de surveiller)

From Latin parāre, present active infinitive of parō. (first-person singular present paro, past participle parat)

to stop
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The Round church(?) of Trondheim, Norway.
The old name for Trondheim means Serpent.


So I guess Roscoe you're trying to say we should be looking at Trondheim, Norway not Rennes Le Chateau for the pentacled temple courtesy of the Da Vinci Code.


Nope!

Trondheim and Rennes Island.

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the translation and understanding of the word panat is usually not quite explained correctly., because....
panat (volé)...it means to steal.

for example: On m'a volé mon sac = Qué m'ann panat lou sac
On m'a volé mon appareil photo dans le train = M'an panat l'aparelh fòto dins lo trin


Panar, pana "voler, dépouiller". Un visiteur confirme: "pana était utilisé couramment par mon père au sens de "raoubar", càd "dérober" ( to rob en anglais). " Il s'agit d'un mot languedocien et gascon, avec quelques attestations en franco-provençal de Lyon, probablement par emprunt à l'occitan.

To steal or to rob.

and.....

parar = protéger, défendre; garder les bêtes; garde, surveillance (action de surveiller)

From Latin parāre, present active infinitive of parō. (first-person singular present paro, past participle parat)

to stop
to stay, to reside temporarily
to end up
to hold out, to display


"They gave it to me and I used it."

IT being money. THEY being the Gnostic movement.

It naturally follows the question that was asked.

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Next to the village of La Serpent

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Heaven above, Heaven below
Stars above, stars below
All that is over, under shall show
Happy thou who the riddle readest

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Patrick, the serpent, Babaos and Perillos
In Ireland, the Sunday preceding the festival of Lammas, pilgrims, sometimes on bare feet, hike their way up Croagh Patrick, where St Patrick was said to have entered into combat with the demons, and where he is said to have stayed for forty days. There was a purpose to this action: before, the mountain was dedicated to a pagan saint: Crom Cruach (Crom of the bad odour).
Legend has it that St Patrick chased away all serpents, throughout Ireland – indeed, no serpent exists in Ireland today. The manner in which he conquered this divine serpent is intriguing. Her main residence was, as mentioned, at Croagh Patrick, from which she is chased away. She flees to the north (in the direction of the star Draco, the dragon), but is followed by Patrick. In a celestial combat, apparently taking place in mid air, Patrick slays the serpent, cutting her up in several pieces, which fall towards the earth… and become the islands in Lough Derg. It is one of these islands that becomes the famous “St Patrick’s Purgatory”, where we later see the arrival of Ramon de Perillos, making enquiries about the whereabouts and condition of the soul of his king, Juan I.


There are three annual meteor showers associated with Draco – starting with the Delta Draconids. Each year between March 28 and April 7, the Earth begins to pass into the meteoroid stream, and bright streaks will seem to emanate from the sky at a point near the Cepheus border. This meteor shower activity peaks on or near the date of April 7 and the fall rate averages about 5 per hour at maximum. These are known to be very slow meteors, so observe when the constellation is at its highest and watch for long trails! On June 20th, the Delta Draconid meteor shower peaks.


Saint Patrick's Day is March 17th. And when you add the days Pope Gregory removed becomes March 28th.

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roscoe wrote:
"They gave it to me and I used it."

IT being money. THEY being the Gnostic movement.


Or the Blancs d'Espagne... :lol:

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It naturally follows the question that was asked.


Insofar as Saunière admitted that his unexplained wealth was given to him and not "found", yes.

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quote="TCP"]
roscoe wrote:
"They gave it to me and I used it."

IT being money. THEY being the Gnostic movement.


Or the Blancs d'Espagne... :lol:

roscoe wrote:
It naturally follows the question that was asked.


Insofar as Saunière admitted that his unexplained wealth was given to him and not "found", yes.

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Correct!

"My brother, being a preacher, had numerous connections. He served as the intermediary for these generosities".
Bérenger Saunière speaking about his brother Alfred.

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Me l'an donat, l'ai panat, l'ai parat é bé lo teni".

Ils me l'ont donné, je l'ai pris.... or according to de Sède - j'ai mis la main dessus, je l'ai apprêté; et je le tiens bien



Sheila wrote:
the translation and understanding of the word panat is usually not quite explained correctly., because....
panat (volé)...it means to steal.

for example: On m'a volé mon sac = Qué m'ann panat lou sac
On m'a volé mon appareil photo dans le train = M'an panat l'aparelh fòto dins lo trin


Panar, pana "voler, dépouiller". Un visiteur confirme: "pana était utilisé couramment par mon père au sens de "raoubar", càd "dérober" ( to rob en anglais). " Il s'agit d'un mot languedocien et gascon, avec quelques attestations en franco-provençal de Lyon, probablement par emprunt à l'occitan.

To steal or to rob.

and.....

parar = protéger, défendre; garder les bêtes; garde, surveillance (action de surveiller)

From Latin parāre, present active infinitive of parō. (first-person singular present paro, past participle parat)

to stop
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to hold out, to display


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Based on such interpretations and archaeological evidence, it is now generally accepted that L'Anse Aux Meadows was the main base of the Norse explorers, but the southernmost limit of the Norse exploration remains a subject of intense speculation.


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They gave it to me so I stole it, I prepared it and I am holding on to it.

It doesn't fit the simple money explanation, not in French or Occitan.


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They gave it to me so I stole it, I prepared it and I am holding on to it.

It doesn't fit the simple money explanation, not in French or Occitan.


It must be an artifact of some kind then! :lol:

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Tertius wrote:
They gave it to me so I stole it, I prepared it and I am holding on to it.

It doesn't fit the simple money explanation, not in French or Occitan.


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Abbe de Coma received a donation from the Countess of Chambord, as would Abbe Saunière, several decades later. Like Saunière, de Coma used the donation to initiate elaborate building projects and restorations, often in homage to Mary Magdalene. He called his estate Carol. De Coma's building works represented an attempt to recreate the biblical "Gethsemane", or garden of the Mount of Olives where the biblical Passion of Christ took place. He even imported trees and plants indigenous to Palestine. Ironically, Carol is not far from Perillos, a village that has produced considerable controversy in recent years as a result of the claim that it in fact is the real Gethsemane; complete with the tomb of Jesus Christ.

From this very website.

Boudet spent money he shouldn't have had and gave some to Marie Denarnaud and Gelis' body was found with pots of it hidden around his home.

"My friend, to see you doing so well, one would think you found a treasure"
Antoine Beaux, Abbé of Campagne-sur-Aude whilst attending a dinner party at Saunière's table.

Sauniere replied:

"They gave it to me, I took it, I made it work and I will hold onto it."

He's talking about money. Saunière accused other priests of being nothing but globetrotters spending their money on themselves. He bragged that he used his income sensibly.

"My brother, being a preacher, had numerous connections. He served as the intermediary for these generosities".
Bérenger Saunière speaking about his brother Alfred.

There is no artifact.

Where did the money come from? Jules Bois et al. Jules Bois was the lover of Emma Calve.

It's strange that nobody has picked up on the comments made by Plantard shown below.

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Based on such interpretations and archaeological evidence, it is now generally accepted that L'Anse Aux Meadows was the main base of the Norse explorers, but the southernmost limit of the Norse exploration remains a subject of intense speculation.


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The earliest Byzantine record of the Rus' may have been written prior to 842. It is preserved in the Greek Life of St. George of Amastris, which speaks of a raid that had extended into Paphlagonia. Contemporary Byzantine presence of the Rus are the mentioned in the Frankish Annals of St. Bertin. These relate that Emperor Louis the Pious' court at Ingelheim, in 839, was visited by a delegation from the Byzantine emperor. In this delegation there were two men who called themselves Rhos (Rhos vocari dicebant). Louis enquired about their origins and learnt that they were Swedes. Fearing that they were spies for their brothers, the Danes, he incarcerated them.

In 860, from Kiev, that the Rus under Askold and Dir launched their first attack on Constantinople. The result of this initial attack is disputed, but the Varangians continued their efforts as they regularly sailed on their monoxyla down the Dnieper into the Black Sea. The Rus' raids into the Caspian Sea were recorded by Arab authors in the 870s and in 910, 912, 913, 943, and later. Although the Rus had predominantly peaceful trading relations with the Byzantines, the rulers of Kiev launched the relatively successful naval expedition of 907 and the abortive campaign of 941 against Constantinople, as well as Sviatoslav I's large-scale invasion of the Balkans in 968–971.

These raids were successful in the sense of forcing the Byzantines to re-arrange their trading arrangements; militarily, the Varangians were usually defeated by the superior Byzantine forces, especially in the sea and due to the Byzantines' use of Greek fire.


The Rus

Runestones attest to voyages to locations such as Bath, Greece, Khwaresm, Jerusalem, Italy (as Langobardland), London, Serkland (i.e. the Muslim world), England, and various locations in Eastern Europe. The Vikings got EVERYWHERE.

The term Viking did not appear until the 19th century.

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It lies beneath the Rose Stop it at 0.44.

"What colors would you paint the sun and the wind?"

"The Sun is Rose and the Wind is Blue"

Ancient riddle.

If we viewed our sun from space it would be a peach pink.

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Patrick, the serpent, Babaos and Perillos
In Ireland, the Sunday preceding the festival of Lammas, pilgrims, sometimes on bare feet, hike their way up Croagh Patrick, where St Patrick was said to have entered into combat with the demons, and where he is said to have stayed for forty days. There was a purpose to this action: before, the mountain was dedicated to a pagan saint: Crom Cruach (Crom of the bad odour).
Legend has it that St Patrick chased away all serpents, throughout Ireland – indeed, no serpent exists in Ireland today. The manner in which he conquered this divine serpent is intriguing. Her main residence was, as mentioned, at Croagh Patrick, from which she is chased away. She flees to the north (in the direction of the star Draco, the dragon), but is followed by Patrick. In a celestial combat, apparently taking place in mid air, Patrick slays the serpent, cutting her up in several pieces, which fall towards the earth… and become the islands in Lough Derg. It is one of these islands that becomes the famous “St Patrick’s Purgatory”, where we later see the arrival of Ramon de Perillos, making enquiries about the whereabouts and condition of the soul of his king, Juan I.


There are three annual meteor showers associated with Draco – starting with the Delta Draconids. Each year between March 28 and April 7, the Earth begins to pass into the meteoroid stream, and bright streaks will seem to emanate from the sky at a point near the Cepheus border. This meteor shower activity peaks on or near the date of April 7 and the fall rate averages about 5 per hour at maximum. These are known to be very slow meteors, so observe when the constellation is at its highest and watch for long trails! On June 20th, the Delta Draconid meteor shower peaks.


Saint Patrick's Day is March 17th. And when you add the days Pope Gregory removed becomes March 28th.


"...Serabit el Khadim, a shrine on the Sinai Peninsula close to the great Egyptian turquoise mines, bilingual Egyptian and Semitic inscriptions have been discovered. The inscriptions named the deity once worshiped at the shrine as the Goddess Hathor. In those bilingual inscriptions Hathor was also referred to as Baalat, meaning Lady or Goddess, as the word was then known in Canaan. J. R. Harris wrote of the temple on Sinai and discussed the relationship between the two names of the Goddess as She was known there. He explained, 'Here she [Baalat] was evidently identified with the Egyptian Goddess Hathor at whose temple all the inscriptions were found.' But perhaps most significant is the fact that, on the walls of this shrine, two prayers had been carved into the stone. In both of these the Goddess was invoked -- as the Serpent Lady.

"Sir Flinders Petrie wrote of probable oracles at the enclosures of the Serabit complex. This shrine on the Sinai Peninsula, which lies between Egypt and Canaan, is particularly worth noting since many scholars have suggested that it may have been on the route the Hebrew tribes took upon their exodus from Egypt. The Bible records that it was during this period in the desert that Moses came to possess the 'brazen serpent,' which appeared seven hundred years later in the shrine in Jerusalem. It was eventually destroyed by the Hebrew reformer Hezekiah as a 'pagan abomination,' but it is not inconceivable that it may have come into the possession of the Hebrews at Serabit and even have been accepted temporarily by Moses as a means of placating the Hebrew people.

"Yet this bronze serpent seems to have been identified with the Goddess religion, for the Bible reveals that it was kept in the same temple in Jerusalem where in 700 B.C. we find vessels for Ashtoreth and Baal, the asherah, the house of the sacred women and the women who wept for Tammuz." -- When God Was A Woman, pp. 206-207.




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Where did the money come from? Jules Bois et al. Jules Bois was the lover of Emma Calve.


You were on track with Chefdebien.

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It lies beneath the Rose Stop it at 0.44.

"What colors would you paint the sun and the wind?"

"The Sun is Rose and the Wind is Blue"

Ancient riddle.

If we viewed our sun from space it would be a peach pink.


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There is no absolute standard for drafting a compass rose, and each school of cartographers seems to have developed their own. In the earliest charts, north is indicated by a spearhead above the letter T (for tramontana). This symbol evolved into a fleur-de-lys around the time of Columbus, and was first seen on Portuguese maps. Also in the 14th century, the L (for levante) on the east side of the rose was replaced with a cross, indicating the direction to Paradise (long thought to be in the east), or at least to where Christ was born (in the Levant).

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The colors on the figure are supposedly the result of the need for graphic clarity rather than a mere cartographical whim. On a rolling ship at night by the light of a flickering lamp, these figures had to be clearly visible. Therefore the eight principle points of the compass are usually shown on the *compass rose in black which stands out easily. Against this background, the points representing the **half-winds are typically colored in blue or green and since the quarter-wind points are the smallest, they are usually colored red.


*Black sun
**Blue half-winds


Also the triumvirate of map making.

Beatus map

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The image shows a copy of the Beatus Map which is preserved in Saint-Sever abbey, France. The map is faced eastwards, and not northwards, as usual in modern cartography. For this reason it is said that the map is oriented.[1]
The Beatus Map or Beatine Map is one of the most relevant cartographic works of the European High Middle Ages: It was originally drawn by the Spanish monk Beatus of Liébana, based on the accounts given by Saint Isidore of Seville, Ptolemy and the Holy Bible. Although the original manuscript is lost, there still remain several copies, which retain a high fidelity with respect the original.

The Map is shown in the prologue of the second book of Beatus' work Commentary on the Apocalypse. Its main goal is not to depict a cartographically exact depiction of the world and its continents, but to illustrate the primitive Diaspora of the Apostles.


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A T and O map or O-T or T-O map (orbis terrarum, orb or circle of the lands; with the letter T inside an O), is a type of medieval world map, sometimes also called a Beatine map or a Beatus map because one of the earliest known representations of this sort is attributed to Beatus of Liébana, an 8th-century Spanish monk. The map appeared in the prologue to his twelve books of commentaries on the Apocalypse.

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I'm with you with the goddess Asherah Roscoe

An Asherah pole is a sacred tree or pole that stood near Canaanite religious locations to honor the Ugaritic mother-goddess Asherah, consort of El

, (Asherah) referred to as "groves" in the King James Version

throughout the bible there seems to be a battle between Asherah and Yahweh

and yet they reflect the male and female aspects of god/goddess

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