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Has anyone got the last chapter by the way?

I have the last chapter

Rain, with a great deal of hesitation, here’s a provisional translation. I’m probably missing loads of idioms and subtleties in the French. Corrections and improvements welcomed. My thanks to Sheila for advice on the pun in “sous-pape”

“The Cathedral is next to the lime tree. In its porch a marble plaque recalls that over one century three former future popes crossed its threshold.

“The two of us, “ Anne and Charlot calculate, “ have a one in 138,000 chance of being crowned with the tiara, and of combining one day, who knows, papess and safety-valve." [A pun on “sous-pape”(“sub-pope”) and “soupape”(“safety-valve“.]

Now here, as he’s going behind the building, Charlot stops as if hypnotized. Anne sees a red stone wall, a wide staircase leading to a bricked-up door, with lichen on the handrail and grass on the steps, proving that no one has gone that way for ages.

FIRE-ENGINE: Pain-pont pain-pont pain-pont pain-pont pain-pont.

ANNE: Are you asleep?
CHARLOT: I came here with Roseline.
ANNE: I’d be amazed if she didn’t come into the discussion.
CHARLOT: I saw her here for the last time: the firemen, the wall, the colours, the door, it’s all here.
ANNE: It was at Rodez that you saw her for the last time, bloody hell, in the Place Emma Calvé.
CHARLOT: Well, they’ve moved the Place Emma Calvé from Rodez Cathedral over here.
ANNE: Who are “they” ?
CHARLOT: The ones who’ve been looking after us for so long.”

Paddy

it'll take us a wee while to distinguish one state of affairs from the other....but petit à petit....or not, as the case may be

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Thank-you Paddy and Sheila for the translation.




It'll probably take me forever.



I wanted to know if anyone thought the articles were appropriate as a reply to de cherisey's rendition of the changing of the meridians?

Also in the following does anyone have an opinion on the spring board and whether it should be differential gears depending on their belief as to what the "allegory" is describing?

With the noise of the fire-engine, compare Paimpont.

"...I went there in search of marvels; I saw the forest and the land and looked for marvels, but found none. I came back as a fool and went as a fool. I went as a fool and came back as a fool. I sought foolishness and considered myself a fool.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paimpont_forest

Paddy

interesting..... Brocéliande Forest or just a siren sound?

In Scotland, the siren of a police/ambulance/fire engine is "nee-naw-nee-naw"
In France, it is "pin-pon-pin-pon"...which sounds identical to "pain-pont-pain-pont"

Good call, Paddy It reminds me of The Green knight. I remember reading it and think what does the alliteration stand for...

Yes, but even with that de Cherisey has layers he's trying to point out the measuring device of the chariot which is related to the forest. Or at least I hope he is.

...are you talking about the south-facing chariot...the compass which didn't use magnetics and was more like an odometer...the theory being that it used differential gears?

what an interesting thought...i'm going to have to read up on it.

Yes, pretty much it goes towards finding what I spoke to you about the other day as well other things.

You should look up the riddle of the compass, it's interesting.

i'm very interested in all that...for obvious reasons

Hi Nic,

Nic wrote:








According to 'Ulpian':



Regards,

Spartacus

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Wow, this thread really is heating up

It's going so well I hardly want to add, but... I can't resist...

From Auguste Rodat, leaving Paris to return to Rodez, in 1817:

'In Paris he had lived through momentous days, witnessing the glory of the Empire and its fall, the Occupation by Allied troops and the restoration of the Monarchy: he had been at the centre of affairs. he felt that Rodez was in a backwater, far from the mainstream of history...Centuries ago, he recalls, according to Julius Caeser, [the people of Rodez/Rhutenians] had worshipped the goddess Rhea, wife of Chronos, all-devouring Time, who demanded human sacrifices'

And of course Rhea is commonly depicted 'on a chariot drawn by two lions'...'Most often Rhea's symbol is a pair of lions, the ones that pulled her celestial chariot and were seen often, rampant, one on either side of the gateways through the walls to many cities in the ancient world'.

Regards,

Spartacus

And one for Tim:

From Auguste Rodat:

'In medieval times the Rhutenians were ruled by bishops who kept them in a condition of the grossest superstition. Though there are only six thousand inhabitants they have their own cathedral and four large monasteries. As a result of the Revolution most of the monks have gone but nothing else has changed: the people still observe the outward forms of the Catholic religion while continuing to believe in witches and werewolves and sorcerers, and in a local deity known as Drak, and they are haunted, or so they imagine, by the spirits of the dead'



Regards,

Spartacus

More Auguste Rodat:



Unfortunately for Auguste, Clarissa got bored of all this respect and fell into the less respectful arms of his cousin Louis;



Oops. The troubadour fad was a few centuries earlier...

Regards,

Spartacus

that got me, i nearly spat out my Angelica leaves all over the keyboard

“Circuit” , xi. Charlot and Anne fly to Lanzarote. (The Plato reference to a chariot is in “Phaedrus”.)

“HOTESSE: C’est aux bretons ici présents dans la carlingue que je m’adresserai tout particulièrement. Lancelot du Lac leur est bien connu. Ils savent que ce beau chevalier, né au château de Comper dans la forêt de Brocéliande – aujourd’hui Paimpont – sur le rivage d’un des quatorze lacs du domaine familial y vecut jusqu’à quatorze ans. Sa gloire d’éleveur de chevaux leur est également connue[...]Eh bien l’île de Lanzarote où nous allons atterrir tire son nom du capitaine breton Lancelot Maloisel [...] Merci de votre attention.”

[STEWARDESS: It’s the Bretons present in the cabin here that I’ll be speaking especially to. Lancelot du Lac is well known to them. They know that this handsome knight was born in the castle of Comper in the forest of Brocéliande – today Paimpoint – on the edge of one of the fourteen lakes on the family estate, and lived there until he was fourteen. His fame as a horse-breeder is also well-known to them. [...] Well, the island of Lanzarote where we are going to land derives its name from the Breton captain Lancelot Maloisel [... ]Thank you for your attention.]

[...]
"STEWART: Une belle race de chevaux a fait jadis l’orgueil de Lanzarote. [...] Mais c’est sur Platon que repose le meilleur de notre propaganda. Sans l’admirable publicité qu’a faite ce grand phlosophe aux Canaries, fort probablement personne n’y viendrait aujourdh’hui. “Nous devons, dit Platon notre naissance a l’épuisement d’un couple de chevaux, quand mâle et femelle, tombent sur le flanc, basculent la charrette d’où notre âme descend et s’incarne.” Car cette vie n'est qu’une escale dans la spirale des temps, une fabrique de chevaux provisoires. Attachez vos ceintures, et cessez de fumer...”

["STEWARD: A handsome breed of horses was once the pride of Lanzarote. [...] But it’s on Plato that the best of our advertising is based. Without the wonderful publicity this great philosopher gave to the Canaries, no one would probably come here today. ‘We owe our birth,' says Plato, ‘to the exhaustion of a pair of horses, when one male and one female, fall on their sides and cause the chariot to topple over from where our soul descends and is incarnated.’ For this life is only a stopover in the spiral of time, a fabric of temporary horses. Fasten your seat-belts and stop smoking...”]

Paddy

Owing to the Interpretatio Romana Julius Caesar's citation of Rhea should perhaps not be taken as prima facie evidence that the Gallic Ruteni were intentionally worshipping a Greek Titaness (despite the tempting associations with Arcadia). Of course, I can think of another indigenous ancient "Queen of Heaven" who rode around the sky in a chariot...

TCP

Does anyone have any thoughts about the color change reference here? Great thread by the way - thanks to all involved.

The "Le bon roi Dagobert" reminds me lots of "le serpent rouge". Some parts read like directions? Regarding what Sheila mentions above about
This line is intriguing.
"Le bon roi Dagobert
A mis sa culotte à l'envers ;"
Other parts that seem like some kind of directions include:-
"Votre Majesté
Est bien écourtée.
C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Fais-le rallonger de deux doigts."
"La corne au milieu"
"Chassait dans la plaine d'Anvers ;"
"C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Mets-toi bien vite devant moi."
"Voyager si loin
Donne du tintouin.
C'est vrai, lui dit le roi,
Il vaudrait mieux rester chez soi."
"Voulait s'embarquer pour la mer ;"
"Quand tu es gris, marches-tu droit ?"
"Je crois bien, ma foi
Que vous irez tout droit."
These are a few of the lines that I mean but I could be way off the mark so if someone knows the meaning of this allegory please enlighten us. I also find this interesting :-
"La reine l'a bien plus noire que moi."
Again, shades of Le Serpent Rouge's "white queen" which I always thought points to the areas around RLC/RLB and the Forêt Noire / Forêt de la Comtesse.
Regards
Nic

In caballa, a fool is a reference to an initiate, non?

Plato raised the notion Atlantis - his writings give the impression that it was located in the Atlantic ocean somewhere to the near west of Gibraltar.

Perhaps the reference to Canaries is a reference to the Canary Islands - which are located in the Atlantic ocean to the near west of Gibraltar.