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The Holy Blood of Shimon Peres - From the Perillos website

Alexander Nepomniashchy, an Israeli public activist and journalist, one of the leaders of the Orange Movement in Israel, director of the MAOF Analytical Group and author of numerous publications in Israeli Russian-language press, published the article on his Russian blog in April 2008.

Characters involved:

Plantard
de Gaulle
Cocteau
Lauren Bacall (real name Betty Joan Perske)
Shimon Peres (real name Semyon Perske - Yes they're related)
Humphrey DeForest Bogart

and Kary Mullis


The modern Israeli 1 Shekel coin - The Lily
Introduced by Shimon Peres.

Lincoln: "The geometry's pentagonal isn't it?"

Plantard's answer.


Plantard ratified his son as Grand Master of the Priory of Sion on 6th August 1989 at precisely 10 o'clock SOLAR TIME

6th August is of course the Celtic festival of Lughnasagh and also the transfiguration of Jesus. Philippe de Cherisey has something to say about this date also

Old Lammas or as the Druid tradition has it.

"A power point of the Zodiac symbolised by the LIon"

At this time the Druids gave thanks to their Moon Goddess, they bake bread, they place ears of corn, grain, corn dollies, and bread on their altars. This is the time when the Sun God Belenus is beginning to lose his virility and as the days start to get shorter the Sun God begins to age and decline.

This is of course when the Sun is in Virgo.



Sign for Virgo with the French name for Bear in it. As in Ursa Major

When viewed from the Magdala tower at precisely 10 o'clock the star Aldebaran could be viewed down this line and over the snow capped mountain.


Photograph was taken from Col de Saint Michael.
Aldebaran is of course Saint Michael the Archangel. One of the four ROYAL stars that are at six hour intervals around the star Canopus. The name Al Debaran is taken from the Arabic and means The Follower. He follows The Pleiades, traditionally taken by some to be the place where God lives.

The Transfiguration of Jesus takes place on Mount Tabor which is the name given by the locals to Montsegur which is just off to the left (distance 5 miles from the snow capped mountain, accessable via Le Trac des Grailles) of the snow capped mountain Soularac (Solar Rock in Occitan)

The Abbey of Mont Saint Michael is 40 miles NNE of the city of Rennes, a city built by a Celtic tribe called the Redones. Mont Saint Michael is 22 miles east of the town of St Malo which was formally called Alet and there you'll find a cathedral dedicated to Saint Vincent. However the patron saint of the towm is a welsh bishop Machutis and Maclou (Mac Law) became a monk under the Irish navigator Saint Brendon. Saint was for a time an independent state run by Pirates who flew the Jolly Roger (Skull and Cross bones.)

Mount saint Michael is orientated 64 degrees from north and corresponds to the sunrise on 8th May which was traditionally St Michael day in spring. Saint Michael's Mass is the 29th September. The day when Sauniere wrote in his diary:

"Vu Cure de Nevian, Chez Gellis, Chez Carriere, Vu Cros et Secret"

Mont Saint Michel and Saint Michael's Mount in Cornwall are both on a conical mounds. Both occur in the heart of strong Celtic traditions.
Now take some time and see how many churches/features built on a conical mound that have the name Saint Michael. Here's one for starters.

The church of Saint Michel le Puy en Velay.

Good place to view the stars from ay?

The church at Esperaza, at the centre of a circle of churches, is also dedicated to Saint Michael.

So close... yet so far. At least you're on the right pitch.

You know nothing, you're just pushing an agenda and making a feeble attempt at bluffing. It's starting to get so obvious.

That's your view. Predictably so.
You'll forgive me for not taking your view very seriously, in light of our previous discussion on Orval.

Yes we are all aware of how you disagree with the very people who run Orval and give a totally biased piece of utter rubbish to try to further your agenda.

The sad thing is that you seem to have convinced yourself of this.
The studies I cited were commissioned by "the very people who run Orval" on the occasion of an anniversary, and are based on both extensive archeological digs and a prolonged investigation of all charters, correspondence and other writings scattered throughout Europe.
But, since it debunks several myths that are essential to your "theories", it cannot be tolerated!

Proof please. Bluff called - again

If this were true then they would have said so. They have said nothing of the sort.

I have noticed a propensity for you to try make things up to try to push through your agenda. As I said before you haven't got an ounce of reliable evidence.

Still one hopes that the moderator will come in and suitably admonish you for dragging a thread off topic - again. You are the biggest culprit.

Tell me why I'm so close yet so far. This subsection is entitled Priory of Sion by the way.

Roscoe:

I've just emailed them. I wanted ask about the retreat and acoustics and look at their herb-garden.
I didn't email them before because frankly I thought it would disrespectful but I wanted to alert them to the wiki entry of which you accuse of being false.
Since you challenge them to know their own history I feel it's only fair the monks have the right of reply.
So I hope my email gets a reply and even if it doesn't I'll stick to planning a trip around the cistercian way. Which may take me years to get there but I hope to do it one day.

Rain, this is what you need to know:



Les membres de notre ASBL sont attachés au site d’Orval et à ses siècles d’histoire, marqués par les événements et
la personnalité des abbés successifs.
L'intérêt pour l'aventure de l'abbaye à travers les âges est bien présent chez les habitants de la région, en Belgique comme
en France, et bien au delà.
L'étude de l'histoire d'Orval et du village voisin de Villers révèle de très nombreux aspects encore à exploiter, pour une diffusion de qualité dans un public le plus large possible; l'organisation des manifestations précédentes a prouvé à suffisance l'existence de pareille demande.
Telles sont les ambitions de notre association, qui compte bien y associer toutes les bonnes volontés qui y sont sensibles.

« L’Association a pour but : la défense , la conservation, la promotion du Patrimoine architectural, historique, naturel du site d’Orval et de Villers-devant-Orval …. Elle s’engage à organiser au moins une fois l’an soit une exposition et/ou une conférence et/ou une publication en relation avec le but fixé ….Elle s’engage à collaborer , si demande est faite, dans la mesure de ses moyens et compétences, à des projets proposés par d’autres ASBL aux buts similaires …. L’Association privilégiera les contacts avec la communauté cistercienne de l’abbaye d’Orval dans le respect de son esprit et de ses traditions . »

Nos principaux objectifs consistent donc à

1. réfléchir sur des événements, situations qui pourraient nous intéresser ainsi que le public,
2. consulter les dossiers, les documents dans les archives existantes ici et ailleurs ( merci aux historiens de qualité qui nous laissent un outil inestimable),
3. proposer des conférences sur ces sujets,
4. organiser des colloques de durée variable sur le site avec large publicité pouvant amener un tourisme fidèle et de qualité.

En 2006: CREATION DE L’ASBL

« AUREA VALLIS ET VILLARE… LES AMIS DU PATRIMOINE »
Val d’Or et Villers (-devant-Orval)

Membres :

Représentants la Communauté d’Orval : frère Bernard-Joseph et frère Xavier
Denis ALEXANDRE
Anne COLLET
Etienne FABER
Marc HEYDE
Richard HENRY
Dominique LIEFFRIG
Pierre MAITREJEAN
André MONHONVAL
Marie-Jeanne REZETTE
Gilbert ROLET

Le père Paul-Christian GREGOIRE de Nancy , auteur de nombreuses publications sur les fouilles menées à Orval , sur le passé sidérurgique de l’abbaye et auteur de « ORVAL AU FIL DES SIECLES », a accepté d’être notre membre d’honneur fondateur.
En janvier 2008, Docteur Jean Kelecom a été fait membre d'honneur.

Election du comité :
Présidence : Marc Heyde
Vice-Présidence : André Monhonval
Secrétariat : Pierre Maîtrejean - mail
Trésorerie : Richard Henry


Father Paul-Christian Gregoire is THE authority on the history of Orval. He has written books on the digs and the document research, at the behest of the Abbey, and has further updated the research over the years. The "Aurea Vallis et Villare" is the Historic Preservation Society for Orval and the contiguous village of Villers.

Everything is documented, no matter what certain embittered miscreants might try to tell you.

I particularly recommend downloading the documents available here:

http://www.orval-patrimoine.be/Pg_Telec ... tions.html

The one on the Matilda of Tuscany myth is particularly instructive...

Hmm! A very nice diversion. Now show me the bit that uses the word Benedictine.

Why am I so close yet so far Roger? Or is this another one of those nebulous arguments of yours that pollute this forum?

By the way Mr Moderator. This is not the subject of this thread. But is an example of one of Roger's strawman techniques.

Thank-you Roger.

Don't worry Roscoe, I underlined the word Benedictine Monks in my email.

I have what I wanted anyway, thanks to Roger.

BTW Liz Green and the HBHG authors are the ones that have the agenda, it was they that introduced the concept to the wider public without explanation.

I've explained it all to you in detail, Roscoe... More than once.
You became enraged and quite histrionic.
Now, you'll just have to read the books.
Others will read them, and they will know exactly what to think.

So it doesn't say Benedictine then?

Bluff called, you lost.

Show me. Bluff called. Your religious affiliations cloud your judgement. The concept of "How can I shoe horn what I find into my belief system" doesn't affect me. Unlike yourselves I never reject evidence because I don't like it. What I do object to are attempts to alter history like the attempt that Roger is pushing here. I too could get a sympathetic pseudo historian to write a passage emphasising a particular agenda and then tout it as the irrefutable fact. I am aware of the facts surrounding the Dead Sea Scrolls and am only too aware of the Church's propensity to try to alter facts to suit themselves.

For your information the Benedictines have no central Order. The name Benedictine is usually given to any private Order that does not come under any central authority. e.g. A group of monks in the 11/12th century would most likely call themselves Benedictine simply to get the Catholic Church off their backs. I have a document from the 17th century where the original monks are described as Augustine.

You see there's a lot more to Orval than meets the eye. Tell me about the megalith there that the Church authorities tried to destroy, the one called Pierre de France (the name adopted by Plantard). You knew about the megalith of course didn't you? Orval was the place where the Merovingians chose to be buried before the abbbey was there, why is that? Tell me about the chapel at Orval, that was there before the monks arrived.

Tell me about the statue of Stella Maris in the Abbey at Orval? A statue complete with a Pentacle on her forehead? Stella Maris is of course the national anthem for the people of Acadia (Cajuns).



What concept would that be? The Templar involvement from Baigent? The Jesus Bloodline from Leigh? Or the Landscape Geometry from Lincoln?

This "Agenda" of Liz Greene's has been around for longer than Christianity. The Holy Roman Church suppressed it in their ethnic cleansing exercises of the Dark Ages. Problem is they didn't suppress it fully, especially in Ireland.

Roger has become quite useful to me of late. Anything he specifically tells us that we shouldn't study I take a long look at.

Can I remind you that this particular thread is called

Cocteau, Plantard, and the current Israeli President

I didn't originally want to talk about Orval but, as always, I am only too happy to point out to everyone precisely what Roger is up to. His response to The Knights Of Malta was particularly interesting.

Sometimes, things just make me sad. I don't know why. Maybe it's the way you've said that. Your false allegations and what you truly are attacking. You don't even know. You're like a wounded animal. I've always wondered what affected you so deeply that you attack the same people who try to help. You like to preach but you don't like to listen. You claim it's a honour to have no Master but it means you only serve yourself. Maybe that's what makes me sad.



Yes it has, maybe you should try and recognise it in all it forms instead railing against a change that occurred millenia ago, for reasons you don't seem to understand.

Nonsense, prove it.

And yes, it specifically says "Benedictine", not only does it identify the monks as Benedictine, but it identifies the monastery from whence they were sent, who sent them, and why. But you'll have to actually READ, in order to find out. I'm through with going along with your clamour for evidence, showing you where to find the evidence, and then listening to your puerile and inane condemnation of the evidence as "just an opinion". YOU are the one with an agenda here. And it's transparent.

Try putting into Google

Orval+Merovingian graves



Show me the point where the word Benedictine is used.

And since there is no central authority for the Benedictine Order why should it make any difference if they received the label Benedictine from affected parties with an agenda to push? Why do some historians also describe these monks as Augustine?

A reminder that this thread is entitled

Cocteau, Plantard, and the current Israeli President.

Your usual trick of thread hijack seems to have worked.

Why do you feel so arrogant as to think you can patronise me?

Maybe the Catholic Priests in Ireland were, in your mind, trying to help those children they abused.

I serve my fellow man and I do not achieve this by abusing them and practicing self interest by sending the guilty priests out of the way to Alaska so they can abuse the Inuit children.



Yes and it's attempted removal by the Church, sometimes violently, is called ethnic cleansing in modern parlance. The well known practice of removing a culture so the people remain with nothing of their own and can thus be dominated. These people still have dignity
They think it's somehow OK to just say sorry whilst still holding onto the land they stole.

Stop patronising me and start looking at yourself.

Sure, if you say so, you know best.

Some people don't know the difference between Merovingian (as in dynastic) graves, and simple Merovingian-era graves.... And then these same people are surprised and indignant when they are quite naturally patronized.

Yes... the very same people who refuse to go read the documents, in fear of encountering Benedictine monks!

They don't, unless they're morons. The historians note that the Benedictine monks were REPLACED by canons-regular of St Augustine.

Nice try, though Mr Goebbels.

Wha ha ha. I didn't say they were Merovingian kings buried there, although the grave of Childeric and his 300 bees are within a days ride from there.

I said:
"Orval was the place where the Merovingians chose to be buried before the abbbey was there, why is that?"

Meaning it was consecrated ground special to these people.

You didn't know there were Merovingian graves there before the monks arrived did you? Anyone with half a thinking brain will of course wonder why there's ONLY Merovingian graves at Orval. You also didn't mention the chapel or the megalith the church tried to destroy.



I read the document and didn't see the word Benedictine. One suspects the Nowhere Man syndrome here. 'He's as blind as he can be, just sees what he wants to see.'

The fact that you keep stalling this is speaking volumes. It isn't there is it Roger?

Anyway.

Why am I so close yet so far away with regard to the first posting of this thread? Do you know? Or were you just sounding off?

yes, i know, but you've been led off track again.

Here I've done the leg work. I've even highlighted it for you.

It also involves Pope Alexander II and later his nephew's relationship to the Comtesse but I thought I would leave that out.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11331b.htm


The Countess Matilda - Text of a lecture given at Orval by Father Paul-Christian Gregory
http://www.orval-patrimoine.be/Pg_Telec ... tions.html
http://www.orval-patrimoine.be/Fi_Telec ... thilde.pdf