"dove people" (trying to recapture the deleted thread)

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

i would like to ask something...

it is a sincere plea...

there is so much information out there (ie internet) regarding the cathars and i feel that much is not accurate. i first started researching the cathars when i was 17...not much out there then either.

for those who know...please provide links or info so that i may continue to research this topic.
thanks in advance.

Serendipity · **Joined:** 20 May 2008 3:32 pm **Posts:** 2894

wayward wrote:

you guys aren't very nice.---Bill

They don't have to be nice.

However, just to screw with 'em just a little bit....

Bet you didn't know Colonel Sanders wife was from Roanoke, VA? You know, the city that has the world's largest neon 5 pointed star???? (Oh yeah...ya'll done stepped in it now)

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/current/191355/1/Colonel-Harlan-Sanders-Failed-Kidnapper

Source: (1980 Los Angeles Times Syndicate):

"He was lying there in the grass, hiding and thinking.
He had studied the little girl's habits. He knew she'd come outside her grandfather's house at mid-afternoon to play. He hated himself for this.
In his whole miserable, messed-up life he'd never considered anything so callous as kidnapping.
Yet here he was, waiting for an innocent, red-haired, two-year-old child to come within reach.
It was a long wait; there was time to think.
Maybe all his life Harlan had been in too much of a hurry. He was five when his Hoosier farmer daddy had died. At 14 he dropped out of school and hit the road. He tried odd jobs as a farm hand, hated it. Tried being a streetcar conductor and hated that. At 16 he lied about his age and joined the army -- and hated that. too.
At 18 he got married and within months, wouldn't you know she announced she was pregnant the day he announced he'd been fired again?
Then, one day, while he was out job hunting, his wife gave away all their possessions and went home to her parents.
Then came the depression.
He tried selling insurance, selling tires. He tried running a ferryboat, running a filling station. No use. Face it -- Harlan was a loser.
And now here was hiding in the woods outside Roanoke, Virginia, plotting a kidnapping.
He'd watched the little girl's habits, knew about her afternoon playtime. But this day, she did not come out to play, so his chain of failures remained unbroken.
Later in life he became chief cook and bottle washer at a restaurant in Corbin. And did all right until the new highway bypassed the restaurant.
He'd stayed honest -- except for that one time when he had attempted kidnapping. In fairness to his name it must be noted that it was his own daughter he'd meant to kidnap from his runaway wife. And they both returned to him, the next day, anyway.
But now the years had slid by and a lifetime was gone and he and they had nothing.
He had not really felt old until the day the postman brought his first social security cheque. That day, something within Harland resented, resisted, and exploded.
The government was feeling story for him.
His restaurant customers in Corbin said they'd miss him, but his government said 65 candles on the birthday cake is enough. They sent him a pension cheque and told him he was "old."
"Nuts," he said.
He got so angry he took the $105 cheque and started a new business.
For the man who failed at everything was Harlan Sanders. The late Colonel Harland Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame. And as Paul Harvey Aurandt would say in that smooth baritone voice: "NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY

TCP · **Posted:** 13 May 2010 2:50 pm

Serendipity wrote:

Bet you didn't know Colonel Sanders wife was from Roanoke, VA? You know, the city that has the world's largest neon 5 pointed star???? (Oh yeah...ya'll done stepped in it now)

We do more creative things with neon out here in the land of fruits and nuts:

TCP

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

Quote:

you guys aren't very nice.---Bill

I don't know why you think that Bill, I was purely having a bit of fun by punning some words relative to RLC. If anyone took offence, sorry, my comments were not made as an insult to any member of the forum.
Regards
Nic

wayward · **Posted:** 14 May 2010 12:21 am

BULLDOGNIC wrote:

Quote:

you guys aren't very nice.---Bill

I don't know why you think that Bill, I was purely having a bit of fun by punning some words relative to RLC. If anyone took offence, sorry, my comments were not made as an insult to any member of the forum.
Regards
Nic

Nic, you might be the 2nd nicest guy on this forum.---Bill

wayward · **Posted:** 14 May 2010 12:25 am

crimson_dove wrote:

stumbled upon this...
any comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyHoHgOKMlc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufubyyTi1EY

I watched both of those "c.d." and I guess I thought they were poorly made and included some mistakes about the Cathars, but nonetheless, they were interesting, Thank You.---Bill

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

thanks bill.

what is true and not true within all of the information now circulating regarding the cathars?

Eginolf · **Posted:** 14 May 2010 7:39 pm

excusez-moi, crimson dove - one more off topic:
Danke schön.

TCP wrote:

The Crista held the secret blend of herbs and spices discovered by Colonel Saunière, as handed down through generations of hidden Cathar families, while Templars discovered the recipe for sacred sauce under the Temple Mount and the Cajuns made the jambalaya and etouffee in exactly the same manner as Jesus taught the fishermen, according to the Gnostic gospels. This is the Last Supper immortalized by Leonardo, the Holy Grail Feast ritually enacted by Freemasons in their lodge halls every 4th of July

Brilliant. Phanta-stick! :lol:

The late Robert Anton Edward Wilson couldn't have done better! Holy S.N.A.F.U.!

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

crimson_dove wrote:

thanks bill.

what is true and not true within all of the information now circulating regarding the cathars?

trying again...

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

Hi All,

I have been meditating and contemplating. The subject of such activities has been a question. What are the Qualities of the Dove?

http://books.google.ca/books?id=eEITN4t ... ve&f=false

http://numenessence.com/dove.html

Another question...How is the Dove related to St. Francis of Assisi?

paula

Gabriele · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2009 10:32 am **Posts:** 50

Paula,

My reply is one of personal experience, not a statement of dogma or fact and I offer it it that spirit. I don't ask anyone to accept the background for what I say but hope it will be accepted as something important to me without requiring anyone else's participation or validation.

I consider, and have experienced the Holy Spirit as sometimes being expressed as a dove. I have 'seen' (within) the dove both above the altar during the consecration of the host and occasionally when the priest takes communion. I have perceived it at times during other rituals (ordination, baptism, confirmation) but it is the exception, rather than the rule.
It is not (for me) a visual image only. I also experience the Holy Spirit without an image or focal point (having perceived it as a pillar of light, descending as well).

I confess I know little of the dove and St Francis but I would consider the presence of a dove to be the intimation that he was guided by the Holy Spirit.

As background, I am not RCC and the church I attend, while its services are more akin to the older RCC mass, it is definitely not of the RCC ilk. There is little dogma and communion is open to all.

When I have been in France I have gone to mass and once at Chartres and several times at a small chapel outside Caunes Minervois I was also aware of the dove during the priest's communion.

From my readings on the cathars the parfaits were able to manifest the presence of the spirit while I don't know that their followers perceived a dove, we do know the image was used by them.

As with all symbolism, I think trying to attach specific attributes or virtues to the dove might be a step in the wrong direction. Symbols speak to us in more nebulous ways. I think meditating on the image of the dove and finding a resonance within yourself to particular aspects of the symbol would be perhaps more productive. It is how the symbol (or mythos) works with you and within you that matters.

I hope your meditations and searches lead you on a productive path.

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

Quote:

When I have been in France I have gone to mass and once at Chartres and several times at a small chapel outside Caunes Minervois I was also aware of the dove during the priest's communion.

Interesting Gabriele, was it Notre Dame du Cros? I ask because I'm about to start a topic on that same church.
Regards
Nic

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

Hello Gabriele,
Please see my responses withIn your text.

Gabriele wrote:

Paula,

My reply is one of personal experience, not a statement of dogma or fact and I offer it it that spirit.
Thank you. I appreciate your comment[color=#400000].[/color]

I don't ask anyone to accept the background for what I say but hope it will be accepted as something important to me without requiring anyone else's participation or validation.

I consider, and have experienced the Holy Spirit as sometimes being expressed as a dove. I have 'seen' (within) the dove both above the altar during the consecration of the host and occasionally when the priest takes communion. I have perceived it at times during other rituals (ordination, baptism, confirmation) but it is the exception, rather than the rule.
It is not (for me) a visual image only. I also experience the Holy Spirit without an image or focal point (having perceived it as a pillar of light, descending as well).

I confess I know little of the dove and St Francis but I would consider the presence of a dove to be the intimation that he was guided by the Holy Spirit.

As background, I am not RCC and the church I attend, while its services are more akin to the older RCC mass, it is definitely not of the RCC ilk. There is little dogma and communion is open to all.

When I have been in France I have gone to mass and once at Chartres and several times at a small chapel outside Caunes Minervois I was also aware of the dove during the priest's communion.

From my readings on the cathars the parfaits were able to manifest the presence of the spirit while I don't know that their followers perceived a dove, we do know the image was used by them.

As with all symbolism, I think trying to attach specific attributes or virtues to the dove might be a step in the wrong direction.

Symbols speak on many levels. Acknowledging both universal and individual interpretations is important in understanding how a symbol communicates to oneself (imho).

If one looks at a dove in nature, there are certain qualities that one might observe. These qualities might then be incorporated into meditation and contemplation.

On a religious note...we are told to be 'as cunning as a serpent and as gentle as dove' while we interact in this material existence. (paraphrase)

Symbols speak to us in more nebulous ways. I think meditating on the image of the dove and finding a resonance within yourself to particular aspects of the symbol would be perhaps more productive. It is how the symbol (or mythos) works with you and within you that matters.

I hope your meditations and searches lead you on a productive path.

Thank you for your well-wishes.

Gabriele · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2009 10:32 am **Posts:** 50

Nic,
Yes it is.
When I first started planning my first trip to France I asked the advice of a friend who had suggested I should visit France (since I spoke French) rather than visit him in Amsterdam (such a good friend that I trusted his advice) and I had asked him to suggest an area. He suggested the south for a variety of reasons and so I set out trying to find out where I might stay. (I had never travelled out of the US before).
In doing online reearch I found I responded intuitively to some places and websites, and not to others, so let that be my guide. I could not have planned better than what came to me through such exploration. I preferred areas south of the canal but one year I kept being drawn to the Minervois area, so I rented a gite there. Caunes is nice, I enjoyed the stay there and did drive south to spend a night in Montsegur during that time.
I had read little on Caunes or the surrounding area (aside from the basics on Minevre and the two great caves so when I first went to ND du Cros it was more an idle afternoon to see what the area offered.

I found reason to return to the church if I were in Carcassonne on other business, even when I was staying eleswhere.
I later read about Sauniere having served in the area before going to RLC, and I know that the spring (and area) were originally a shrine to Cybele...but it was more than that for me.
This thread is not about those sort of things, so send me a pm if you want more details.
If you have the opportunity, the cave at Cabresprine:
http://www.english.gouffre-cabrespine.com/

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

Hi Gabriele,
You will enjoy my next topic then, I should get around to compiling it tonight.
Regards
Nic

scorpieauxgirl · **Posted:** 03 May 2011 12:42 pm

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

crimson_dove wrote:

alexius wrote:

I can only speak for myself Roger but I can honestly say that I am not allergic to real knowledge about anything, in fact that is what we are in quest of here. I am convinced though that there was much more to the Cathars than the hagiographic accounts which have become the norm in recent years. What we need are actual flesh and blood portrayals of these people. I am convinced that a powerful sex magic was the source of the Perfecti's hold over the rank and file and the sources must be out there somewhere. After their (the Cathars) suppression the Troubadours carried it on and it flowered into Courtly Love and the cult of La Princesse Lointaine and later of course in Symbolism in Art and Literature as exemplified by the Rose+Croix movement of Sar Peladan, the Theosophy of Madame Blavatsky and the Golden Dawn and all the rest of the esoteric and occult movements of the fin de siecle.

bold added by me
wow!!!
you are convinced regarding what you write "sex magic".
for goodness sake...
if you truly believe that magic is able to COMPLETELY control events (that are mediated by Human Beings' FreeWill), then you will believe many UnTrue ideas etc. .

parthenogenesis... indeed... just a music video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiCRZLr9oRw

remember...BEYOND GENDER...please... please...

a movie that i have just watched for the second time today (first time was when it was released)...
"the bone collector" (sp?) with denzel, angelina and queen l

this song, ended the movie...
yes, a man and a woman can live without physical sex...
together...

i was wrong and i just NOW See...and Hear... just now..

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

bonne nuit...

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