Did I think Roger would give me an answer sometimes he does when he doesn't know it
I don't have 8000 dollars to buy the Chinon parchment...thats only for RICH serious researchers
but anybody know where I can get the formal document translation
special Apostolic Commission ad inquirendum appointed by Clement V: Bérenger Frédol, Cardinal Priest of the titular church of the Most Holy Nereus and Achilleus and nephew of the pope, Étienne de Suisy, cardinal priest of St. Cyriac in Thermis, Landolfo Brancacci, cardinal deacon of St. Angelo.
kept at the Vatican Secret Archives, with the reference Archivum Arcis, Armarium D 218.
ASV, Archivum Arcis, Arm. D 217
proof there is a SECRET Vatican Archives... proof they a important parchment has been lost or purposely lost so that researchers can't find it
that the parchment came out after the DaVinci Code phenomenon is interesting it appears the Vatican thinks this
will reveal that it was the French monarchist Phillip that was responsible for their burning
Is the Vatican afraid of perhaps the Templar curse and cry for Revenge?
The French Monarchy has been displaced though a alliance still remains between the Vatican and monarchy
in the Lazarist's Order and other orders
this is a clear example of Actions speak louder than hidden documents
DeMolay was burned at the stakeThe document contains the absolution Pope Clement V gave to the Grand Master of the Temple, friar Jacques de Molay and to the other heads of the Order, after they had shown to be repented and asked to be forgiven by the Church; after the formal abjuration, which is compelling for all those who were even only suspected of heretical crimes, the leading members of the Templar Order are reinstated in the Catholic Communion and readmitted to receive the sacraments. The document, which belongs to the first phase of the trial against the Templars, when Pope Clement V was still convinced to be able to guarantee the survival of the military-religious order, meets the apostolic need to remove the shame of excommunication from the warrior friars, caused by their previous denial of Jesus Christ when tortured by the French Inquisitor.
the word FRENCH INQUISITOR ...is fascinating....the only Inquisition ..belongs to the Vatican
I believe the document states the church was PRESENT at the InterrogationAs several contemporary sources confirm, the pope ascertained that Templars were involved in some serious forms of immorality and he planned a radical reform of the order to subsequently merge it into one body with the other important military-religious order of the Hospitallers. The Act of Chinon, a requirement to carry out the reform, remained however a dead letter. The French Monarchy reacted by initiating a real blackmail mechanism, which would have then obliged Clement V to take a final decision during the Council of Vienna (1312): unable to oppose the will of the King of France, Phillip the Fair, who ordered the elimination of the Templars, the Pope, heard the opinion of the Council Fathers, and decided to abolish the Order «con norma irreformabile e perpetua» (bull Vox in excelso, 22nd March 1312). Clement V however stated that this suffered decision did not amount to an act of heretic condemnation, which could not be reached on the basis of the various inquiries carried out in the years prior to the Council. As a matter of fact, a regular trail would have been required in order to pass a sentence, including also the statement of the defensive position of the Order. But, according to the pontiff, the scandal aroused by the shameful accusations against the Templars (heresy, idolatry, homosexuality and obscene behaviour) would have dissuaded anyone, from wearing the templar habit and on the other hand, a delay on a decision regarding these issues would have produced the squandering of the great wealth the Christians had offered to the Order, charged with the duty to help fight against the enemies of the Faith in the Holy Land.
The church was concerned about the WEALTH of the order....there it is!!!....Yes Phillip wanted the wealth too and control of the church...getting rid of its army was important
the Interrogations were to know where all the money went? where was the relics
the problem was the Templars organization was spread out ...Scotland England Germany etc... the other rulers weren't so anti Templar but eventually at the VATICAN"S insistence the trial of the Templars were conducted ...Phillip didn't have jurisdiction in Scotland and England did he...it was the Vatican who could HUNT them down
Some Templars were ruthless no doubt about it
Turbull tells us that Templars had possessions in almost EVERY COUNTY in Scotland...pg 152 Rosslyn chapel revealed
Some land reverted back to the families who owned them or had them stolen by the Temple
Scottish lands didn't always end up in the Vatican's hands or Hospitaliar hands
The trials in England didn't consist of torture always
the king of England was more tolerant....why did the Vatican persist for the trials ...they admit DMolay was innocent of Heresy....and yet he burned...to keep a secret that the Vatican and only the Templars knew
If people wonder why the infatuation its because the history written doesn't add up to the actions taken