a Frankish knight from the Champagne region, was the co-founder and first Grand Master of the Knights Templar. With Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, he created the Latin Rule, the code of behavior for the Order.
As Grand Master, De Payens led the Order for almost twenty years until his death, helping to establish the Order's foundations as an important and influential international military and financial institution.
On his visit to England and Scotland in 1128, he raised men and money for the Order, and also founded their first House in London and another near Edinburgh at Balantrodoch , now known as Temple, Midlothian.
It has recently been claimed that the wife of Hugues de Payens was Catherine St. Clair within the context of the alternative histories of Rosslyn.
A biography of Hugues de Payen by Thierry Leroy identifies his wife and the mother of his children as Elizabeth de Chappes. The book draws its information on the marriage from local church cartularies dealing chiefly with the disposition of the Grand Master's properties, the earliest alluding to Elizabeth as his wife in 1113 and others spanning Payen's lifetime, the period following his death and lastly her own death in 1170.
Married men could become associate or honourary templars, and they and their wives (if they lived apart from the brothers) could retire and live on Templar land. They were known as confraters.http://gordonnapierhistory.blogspot.com/
The reference showing that Elizabeth de Payns was Hugh's wife is contained in:
The Charters of the Court of Champagne under Henri I, Henri II and Marie (1152-1197), by John Benton. It is part of the Archives kept at the Municipal Library of Troyes.
It is a hand-typed book. It was deposited at the Archives of Aube, in Troyes, during the 1960s; it is the result of a study done by John Benton on the charters of the counts of Champagne.
Some say that she had three children Thibauldus Isabella and Guidin
According to Canon law she went into the convent so he could take his vows when he died she was released
John Benton was a 20th century historian; he was a specialist of medieval Champagne.
would you consider TCP and Roger him legit?
It is interesting that out of all of Scotland Payens picked and visited
In 1129, the Council of Troyes formally recognized the Order. Balantrodach became their FIRST principal Templar seat and Preceptory in Scotland
so when my guide said it was Headquarters for Scotland it was
We are talking about David IThe term "Davidian Revolution" is used by many scholars to summarise the changes which took place in the Kingdom of Scotland during his reign. These included his foundation of burghs, implementation of the ideals of Gregorian Reform, foundation of monasteries, Normanisation of the Scottish government, and the introduction of feudalism through immigrant French and Anglo-French knights.
are we seeing an IMMIGRATION of FRENCH knights or ANGLO FRENCH knights
Turnbull talks about the trials of the English Templars
Trial of the Templars at Holyrood in December 1309 the trial was unable to conduct in solemnity because Robert the Bruce
Scottish Patriots were attacking Holyrood was held by Master John Soluere of Pope Clement V and William Lamberton Bishop of St Andrews
the church was trying to conduct a trial but Bruce who was excommunicated by the church seem to be disrupting the trial of the Templars even though they be English ...he could have just let them be tried and attack later after they burned them at the stake...Timing is everything
But yes Wayward lets get to that trial where Sir Henry St Clair attended
Walter de Clifton the head Templar was on trial but his predecessor John Housefleet threw off his habit and left the order
???????WHY????? Clifton served 10 years in the Templars...there was another fugitive whose whereabouts noone knew
they went into hiding...their were some other names ...but lets get to the nitty gritty
the trial...Although 40 witnesses came and swore...this were abbots priest and St Clair
the summarized statements showed no heresy
but they did testify to their secrecy and their not giving to the poor who they neglected for the wealthy
Your right Wayward
St Clair didn't testify against the Templars for heresy
he forty testified about some Englishmen who were greedy and mean...from what I know of the Middle Ages these men were standard fare...being greedy and mean isn't a crime ...
but lets face it these trials were a joke
it gets down to the Church prosecutes Templars end of story