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No, Roscoe said the Templars denied that Jesus was crucified.....
But either way its all made up nonsense, read the true history Lov and not other peoples theories....it was political not heretical and if you actually read what you have just posted you should understand that.

Im still trying to get to the bottom of this:

'On October 13, 1958, Pope Pius XII died. On October 14, his chief physician and
head of the Vatican's Medical Department, Prof. Riccardo Galeazzi-Lissi, held a
press conference in which he made a startling, and costly, revelation. He said he
and other physicians had succeeded in embalming the Pope "in much the same
way as had the body of Jesus been embalmed." On October 15, The New York
Times ran an even more startling article – startling in its frankness as if what it
was stating was common knowledge. The title of the article read: "OLD
METHOD USED TO EMBALM POPE." The subtitle read: "Physicians Say
Procedure Was Like That Employed on body of Christ." The story read in part:
The chief physician of Pope Pius XII said today that the remains of the
pontiff were embalmed in much the same manner as had been Jesus
Christ's body.
It is a method entailing no surgery and requiring no evisceration, the
physician said He declared himself confident that it was a method that
would enable the body of Pius XII to LAST INDEFINITELY WITHOUT
DECA YING…The method consisted of allowing the Pope's body to
absorb volatile resins and certain oils and other chemicals having
deoxidizing action".

I have really tried to get a copy of this paper on this date, just to see if it was indeed printed there.

Bitish Library here i come ....

Thank you Roger.

but I think I know what you're thinking

Again?

(Im just joking around .....)

This prompted a fresh campaign from King Louis IX of France, who landed at Limassol, Cyprus on 17 September 1248.[1] De Sonnac sailed from Acre to meet him and make preparations. Shortly after, the new Grand Master received an Emir from the Sultan, offering the crusaders a peace deal. De Sonnac related this to the French King, who ordered him to cease any negotiations without gaining Royal permission first.[1] This ensured the new campaign would be concluded with violence, not diplomacy.

One can be a fighter and a diplomat
Sonnac was both

Roger,

There are a couple of references here too - where the story was carried .......i will try and follow these ..

"In a controversial press conference, Galeazzi-Lisi described in great detail the embalming the body of the late Pontiff. He claimed to have used the same system of oils and resins, with which the body of Jesus Christ was preserved.[3]"

He said this at a press conference ....and then it looks like it was published by Associated Press (AP News Agency??)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Galeazzi-Lisi

Pope's Body Embalmed with Special Process, Associated Press (AP), Rome, October 11, 1958.

Also:

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/782014

I will try and locate italian newspapers from around that date.

By the way, it also looks like he was hounded after making such a statement, and he wrote a book to try and clear his name:,

Dans l'ombre et dans la lumière de Pie XII.
PIE XII] - GALEAZZI-LISI (Riccardo)

I'm sure in ancient times they had plastic zip lock bags for the dead
What was that idiot thinking

I do think that certain orders have special funeral techniques for their members
of which may have to do with the incorrupt bodies of some of the saints

Roger,

I think i may buy the doctors book ...

Because up until the quote he made about embalming the pope, he was the golden boy. As soon as he said that the pope had been embalmed just like Jesus had, he was silenced, and sidelined and basically sacked.

I think i may want to hear his side of the story .....

Surprising to think that Sonnac would take orders and direction from the King of France, especially while outside of French territory.

TCP

Your right TCP why did he take orders from Louis?
He had a peace all worked out...Louis BIGGEST mistake

but I doubt that it would have any relevance as to the "embalming of Christ".

Just out of interest, why do you think the medic would have even used the term 'embalming of Christ'?

He is not generally thought to have been embalmed. Unless you count some scholars who have suggested that the entombment described in John was an embalming (i think because Mathew Mark and Luke refer to a shroud being placed over Jesus, whereas in John he is covered in strips of linen. Strips of linen are used for embalming, eg by the ancient Egyptians and we know some Jews were embalmed (Joseph in Egypt).

Yes, i will let you know if there is anything of note in the medics personal account of what went on.

Well...maybe not so strange after all, if Louis brought troops to Cyprus hell-bent on pitched battle and he didn't want Sonnac interfering. Perhaps just a case of the King telling him to mind his own beeswax.

TCP

Well I know Sonnac wasn't Louis's man ....
It had to be embarrassing to hear about the Count of Artois behavior and the disaster he made of everything
Artois was not friendly to the Templars....the hatred he had for the English is seen with his actions with William Longspear

Artois speech to Sonnac and Longspear echoes the Capetian attitude
Sonnac gave England one of the greatest relics....and he didn't give it to Louis

Sonnac wasn't Louis' man at all, he was an English vassal.

TCP

Well yes, true enough. But having been born an English vassal one might "assume" (I know that's a dirty word around here) that Sonnac's sympathies lay with the English king over the French king.

TCP

TCP


everything I have read says yes TCP you are right
he leaned to the english...maybe it was that as a learned and wise man
he saw fanaticism in Louis and the Capetians

the French were owning too many powerful relics
of which didn't help them in the Crusades


but Henry III was a bit of a fanatic himself

But Roger
Saunhac had property at Belcastel
wasn't he French? ...or was he like Montfort ...English but owned lands in France from his family
many of these families owned lands in both countries