I have an honorific title, not contingent at all on heredity as none of my ancestors ever held it. It was created for me and will likely die with me.TCP
Well, Tim, I think that about wraps things up as to your credibility. And again your own words do you in. You admit this is an honorific title created for you. In other words, a Mickey Mouse title.
And more damning, you say it is "not contigent at all on heredity"
Yet, earlier you said that you had to go through, "A process which, I might point out, requires the applicant to furnish solid genealogical particulars documenting one's descent from the original grantee."So which is it?? If it is a one-off title not granted through hereditary criteria, then there was absolutely no need to verify your claims at all in the first place!
The ARMS REGISTRATION (i.e. the "HERALDRY") is contingent on heredity. One must prove descent from the original grantee (by means of genealogical documents) in order to receive certification for the ARMS, which I have accomplished. Do you not understand what the difference is between a COAT OF ARMS and a TITLE? I have been discussing the process of securing the former, not the latter. Do I need to post definitions for you?
And, even nore damning, you say, "none of my ancestors ever held it" .
If none of your ancestors ever held this title, then how could there be an "original grantee" that you had to document descent from?!?!
There can be no further doubt that you are yarn-spinning, and yarn-spinning badly.
The "original grantee" for the family COAT OF ARMS, Jeff. I
am the original grantee for the TITLE. Is this becoming any clearer to you?
The TITLE of "Marqués de Périllos" has never been held by anyone before me, my ancestors were styled "Vizconde de Périllos" and I did not inherit that title. An ancestor of the current holder bought it out of abeyance from the Spanish government in 1907, the last Périllos descendant who held it having died in the 1850s without heirs; thus there was no possibility for me to claim it by inheritance 97 years after the fact. The current head of the Portuguese royal house, HRH Dom Duarte, Duque de Bragança, very kindly assisted me by according me the honorific title of "Marqués" by concession in 2004 along with the rank of Fidalgo Cavaleiro da Casa Real Portuguesa
and Cavaleiro Grã Cruz da Ordem de São Miguel da Ala
. On the recommendation of Dr. Pier Felice degli Uberti, Chairman of the International Commission for Orders of Chivalry (ICOC) and a very dear friend of mine, the Spanish Cronista, the Marqués de La Floresta, very kindly included my title on my admission certification (dated 4 March 2007) to the Noble Compañía de Ballesteros Hijosdalgo de San Felipe y Santiago
, a Spanish nobiliary corporation which the Marqués serves as Alcaide-Presidente
- which affords me the rank of Hidalgo
in Spain (which, too, is honorific, as I am not a Spanish citizen). All of which I've been completely forthcoming about, right here on this very forum in fact; and I've posted scans of both the Portuguese and Spanish concessions here as well. I'm certain you wouldn't know what to do with them even if you find them, but happy hunting.
My credibility is in no way effected by your inability to distinguish between a coat-of-arms registration and an honorific title concession, or your unfamiliarity with the procedural steps for obtaining either, or for what purpose an heraldic authority exists. Not that I would expect you to be up on such things, but the wise man educates himself before casting aspersions on others without knowing or understanding what the hell he's talking about. Very bad form for a clergyman; worse for one who would have people believe him to be a scholar.