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Which brings up an interesting question... IF these "held back" materials are indeed probative of Douzet's claims, then why not release them to great fanfare? What time or other element is considered a sufficient factor to have to "wait for", prior to the release of such vindicating documents? This is baffling to me... I hope you all have some sensible theories that can explain this away for me.

If I remember correctly, Andre said somewhere that the reason the details of the Perillos mentions were not shown to the public was because they would enable people to identify the precise location of the "royal and sacred tomb".

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Unfortunately all available tomb-guarding personnel are currently on round the clock surveillance duty at the inaccurately named "Ben's tomb".

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Roger wrote:
This cache consisted of several volumes of bound "registers" (1632, and at least 2 for 1624, perhaps several more), addenda to these volumes, and several loose pages and folios. Also... a "great parchment" purported to be the "Great Will of the Perillos Family".


At the risk of getting "greenlined" again (apparently someone doesn't like me taking AD to task)...

There is only one document I can think of that he might be referring to here, detailing the distribution of property to heirs and dated 1461. However, I can't imagine that it would suit AD's purpose to publish it. It would give me too much satisfaction, for one thing.

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It turns out that neither volume is a "formal" register, and neither covers the Perillos area. No problem, AD claims that this is covered in the material that no one has yet seen, ie the "extra" 1624 volume and/or the loose pages (which make such claims very problematic because authentication will need to be that much more stringent). He also claims the "great testament of the Perillos" list all their properties and rights.


If it's the document I'm thinking of, then it's been published. I've not seen the original (which is archived not in France, but in Spain) but several modern compendium sources refer to it.

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A page on the English language SP site relates the events and compares the "mysterious set-aside" of land in Perillos to the "equally-mysterious" set-aside of the Quai Pierre Scize, in Lyon, which latter was handily debunked on this forum.


I'll be interested to see if this "set-aside" in Périllos relates to Ramon de Monroy, and if AD is simply interpreting his name to be some sort of royal burial mound.

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AD claims to ALSO have received a CD in the mail, with the materials previously published by Pascal This content has been removed by the Moderator, who judged it to have broken the House Rules and is offering them for sale "at cost" to SP members, and to the public "as supplies last". No one has asked him why they'd have to order CDs when they can simply download it, and why they'd do so in any case, since these materials are admittedly "worthless", as far as the "Perillos Enigma" is concerned.


I don't recall them being "worthless" before Pascal published them. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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Which brings up an interesting question... IF these "held back" materials are indeed probative of Douzet's claims, then why not release them to great fanfare? What time or other element is considered a sufficient factor to have to "wait for", prior to the release of such vindicating documents? This is baffling to me... I hope you all have some sensible theories that can explain this away for me.


You're right, of course.

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This is from the English SP website. Note that it claims that the "set-aside" is "administratively" untouchable, and that "Even the lords of Perillos are subject to this LAW."

Which begs several pointed questions... what manner of Law is this? What "administration" had the authority to impose such a Law, at that time, on Perillos lands? (Other than the Perillos, themselves, as part of a testamentary bequest, perhaps?)

Then there is the claim that the "French authorities decided to uphold this Law"... Really? How so? Or could it be perhaps that they were bound by a legal bequest to French subjects?


I would imagine it refers to ordinary laws of inheritance and ownership of private property, which the French Crown respected when the ground changed hands. The owners would not have been deprived of their property rights solely on the basis of being Spanish subjects. Their ranks and titles would not have been absorbed into the French nobility, but they still had clear title to the land itself. I'm becoming more confident that this set-aside AD refers to is the portion kept for Ramon de Monroy and his heirs, who were Sicilians but subjects of the Spanish Crown, and that what he has determined is a royal burial mound is a misreading or misinterpretation of Monroy - "mon" or "mons" taken as a burial mound, and "roy" self-evident.

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Well... developments are taking place, fast and furious...
Interspersed between the usual jeremiads and insults, it appears that now there will soon be an "SP Meeting" (still not the promised public conference with "ministerial authentication") at which a cornucopia of Courtade "registers" will be presented. There is apparently an entire library of them. One can pick and choose from which the "loose pages" might have taken flight. It could become a lottery! Guess which book the "page" came from, and win a CD!


After saying just days ago that the Courtade registers are worthless? Isn't he contradicting himself? (rhetorical question, no need of an answer).

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Apart from that, not much seems to be forthcoming. I feel particularly aggrieved, because I've defended the SP, in the past (on this very forum, in fact), feeling that they've certainly unearthed any number of interesting elements (despite disagreeing with their conclusions and interpretations).

But now... I can't say I'm seeing the calm and methodical explanations one might have a right to expect, under the circumstances. I only see scarlet-faced indignation and colourful language, and constantly changing promises. But that's just me. Perhaps my expectations were too high.


It should be interesting and informative... :D

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I feel particularly aggrieved, because I've defended the SP, in the past (on this very forum, in fact) .........

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Well.... believe it or not, the Courtade and "Great Testament of the Perillos" saga continues...

After challenging Maurice Monnot to come and see the documents for himself, in private with no witnesses, at the risk "of being called a liar and accomplice of mine"... AD changed his mind and suggested the meeting to look at the documents take place in the presence of an "huissier" (a sort of French Bailiff) at Mr. Monnot's cost, of course.

Others (including Pascal) immediately offered to pitch in on the Bailiff costs, and 3 were suggested in the area.

There was a sudden silence from AD (who was supposed to agree to a date, so that the arrangements could be made), and the latest news from AD's "familiar", as posted on the French SP forum, now specifies that A] AD is waiting for the identity of the Bailiff (who will be chosen based on availability once the date is fixed) prior to fixing a date, and B] AD requires that proper penance be offered first, with participants making the pilgrimage on their knees, self-flagellating, wearing sack-cloth and ashes, hood optional.

So... what next? :roll:


Sounds like his bluff has been called quite handily. Good job!

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 Post subject: Re: After Courtade 1632, Courtade 1624
PostPosted: 18 Oct 2010 7:49 pm 
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Roger wrote:
I suspect that this isn't of much interest to anyone anymore, but the latest documented "revelation" on the Courtade saga is here:

http://societe-perilleuse.forums-actifs ... de-t54.htm


Who is "le Marquis" who owns half the rights to the register, or sheaf, or whatever is being haggled over?

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 Post subject: Re: After Courtade 1632, Courtade 1624
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1200 Euros x 10, x20, x50 books, geez, get writing guys!


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Missed a zero, not that it matters.


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