Arcadia Discussion Zone

At the moment we have:

a poussin that looks like
a mistletoe berry (all-heal)
or egg (resurrection)
or vial (sainte ampoule)

that seems to contain
Holy Spirit (symbolised by the dove in the Poussin painting)


Anyone care to add anything???

bringing the dead back to life? using an all-healing substance...
blood of??? i mean i have read some articles discussing the ingestion of menstrual blood of virgins...

or am i like so way off?

Yes...The Dove holds the sacred deposit.

And what Is the Dove?

The Dove is the Queen of Heaven.

Peut un St Antoine peut en cacher un autre?

Are you thinking along the lines of restoring the male /female balance as is depicted maybe by the featuring of Isis in Le Serpent Rouge?

To interpret this Poussin /Tenier painting puzzle and get general agreement I think its necessary to stick to what the paintings show us without wrapping (too many) any extra bits into it. We have to be true to what the two artists were trying to tell us.
Remember this is just the first clue of the parchment clues - there is time for a full story to emerge with the other clues and the geometry.

For instance I think it is important that as well as Poussins name = the poussin in the painting, Teniers' name = tenirs (to hold) the staffs and water as explained on previous page of thread. Then we have the myth of the shepherds of the underworld as explained in the Shugborough inscription thread with the Et In Arcadia Ego fitting in perfectly. If anything else will fit into that kind of scenario with that perfect fit, then fine.

Wouldn't that be convenient!

If a chicken can be a dove, or an egg a mistletoe berry, why not blend as many saints together until the right mixture is achieved? There don't seem to be many hard-and-fast rules to this guessing game as it is.

TCP

From the appearance of the various paintings, the dove isn't holding the sacred deposit. He's losing it in the water jug.

TCP

Oh well....since TCP wants to muddy the waters by muddling the replies...he knows full well there's more than one conversation going on here.....then I'll just let you good Catholics chatter amongst yourselves.

Isn't it strange that whether you choose dove, egg or mistletoe berry, the final meaning is the same. Do you think that is just a coincidence?
Remember, we didn't arrive at chicken = mistloetoe berry by noticing that the chicken could be taken to look like a mistletoe berry, we deduced it from the overall meaning of what we had noticed at that time. The realisation that Teniers' chicken could also look like a mistletoe berry came later, at least it did for me.



"He's losing it in the water jug" is a valid interpretation to put on a list of possible interpretations for that small part of the overall picture. Then where does it take you? Have you worked it out? It ends in a dead end - like all the other part interpretations that have been done over the years. Someone has seen something and they jump in and bend what they can to make it seem to fit the little bit they think they have interpreted correctly. We have all seen it.

There is a complete interpretation on the table that answers perfectly all aspects of the parchment clue while perfectly interpreting the hidden meaning of the two paintings - with some surprises that even seem to leak over into real life.

We are looking for things that add to the interpretation without adding bits that are not in the paintings.

We should also think about how the interpretation relates to real life.
The one presented certainly will do once the other clues are sorted out.

There, there Sheila. Aren't you taking criticism a little too personally?

TCP

I could also note that it looks quite a bit like my mother's bathroom light fixture (sans the head and feet) but I'm not alleging that this is what Teniers had in mind when he painted "St. Anthony" - you can assign just about any meaning you like to the elements, but you can still only guess at what Teniers meant to portray.



I rather like the chicken vs. egg mental conundrum. It doesn't require anything too arcane to recognize.



That's where we part company. If parchments were coded using elements found in a painting by Teniers or Poussin or anyone else, that doesn't automatically signify that the artist initiated the guessing game. It simply means someone used the artwork as a cipher. To try to get into the mind of the artist won't necessarily produce a valid result, though it may produce several "desired" results based on the agenda of whomever is engaged in trying to break the code of the parchments.

TCP

But...it's got nothing to do with codes & parchements guys....and sorry for being prickly TCP...the girl can't help it!

TCP,
What it would probably mean is that there is more going on here than is normally explainable. I think we just have to go with the interpretation that the pictures are showing us. We should not filter things out because they don't seem possible. Is having two shepherdesses and a guy thats called "Life" involved in the uncovering of the answer when the answer itself involves shepherdesses and "Life" normal? The apparent non logicality should be explainable by the time we get to the end of the trail. Thats the best I can do at the moment.

Sheila,
Yes I see what you're saying. But lets keep this complete interpretation in mind in case the rest of the parchment clues and Le Serpent Rouge just happen to turn out to be valid.

Would you like to start to take us through your deviations. (sorry)

My deviations? (Not 100% sure if you're addressing me or not)

I have my own theories, but I keep them to myself.

TCP

err yes, see alterations done to original post while you were posting
Not on top form tonight and getting worse

The Pot calling the Kettle

http://www.societe-perillos.com/mariani_1.html

Nous pouvons maintenant revenir à notre OR BLANC. Cet OR BLANC, ce SEL BLANC, voit son poids varier de zéro à quatre cent fois son poids original, selon qu'il est refroidi ou réchauffé. Il suffira ici de rappeler, sans aucun développement, que la Bible nous précise que parfois l'ARCHE D'ALLIANCE semblait flotter, onduler…
Dissout dans l'eau, ce sel blanc portait autrefois le nom de "Salive de Dieu" ou "Sperme du père". Chez les Egyptiens, puis les Esséniens, le rite de purification et d'absorption de ce sel durait QUARANTE JOURS, dans un grand isolement, dont le "désert" donne une bonne image du vécu et du ressenti. Après 9 à 12 jours de jeûne l'impétrant, pendant quatre semaines, absorbait quotidiennement une dose de sel, et, lentement le Seigneur l'emplissait.

Thank you!

Sheila, not sure if you've noticed but on another thread tonight I posted a link to a Daily Grail blog article that covers Ormus, white gold, stuff like the esoteric meaning of the cleaving of the elm at Gisors and many other things.
http://www.dailygrail.com/node/2541

I'd like to be able to say I wrote it, but didn't.

Did they manufacture white gold at RLC? Who knows. Yet another thing to put on the list of (im)possibilities.

Hallucinogenics and other aids have always been taken to aid spiritual experience, but I firmly believe they are not necessary to obtain to desired result. Is the light seen a physical phenomenon? I think the answer to that will take us forward.

I'm not sure what more we can get from these Poussin + Tenirs paintings
??