Arcadia Discussion Zone

[quote="jb1717]Thank you very much, TCP. The Ramon tomb wasn't actually shown, just something on part of it, but the first page you linked had something far more important, the sarcophagus of Grand Master L'Eveque de la Cassiere. See if you can detect any similarity between these two images. The mystery of the Shugborough Hall Shepherd's Monument tomb has just been solved. It doesn't match either of the tombs in the two Shepherds of Arcadia paintings, now we know why. But now a new question arises. Why was this man's tomb depicted in the monument, along with the Shepherds of Arcadia?[/quote]

Ah, now I understand more clearly. You were looking for a photo of the sarcophagus itself and not just photographic evidence of the tomb of Perellos Rocafull in Valletta. I don't know of one available on-line, but I do have a close friend who lives in Valletta and I can ask him to photograph it.

The style of Cassiere's sarcophagus is, I believe, fairly standard for the period, is it not? Aside from obvious differences like being indoors rather than outdoors like the Shugborough relief depicts, the decoration around the base seems to be slightly different.

TCP

Maybe, but that's the only one I've seen like that and it certainly looks like a prime candidate for the one depicted in the monument. If you find any others that match, please show me. Sure, it doesn't have the two lions under it, but those are merely supports. It's shown outdoors because that's where the paintings are set. You couldn't very well show the Shepherds of Arcadia in a church, being pagan.

I can think of some similar ones - the Habsburg tombs in the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna and the Bourbon crypt at Kostanjevica come to mind:

http://www.kaisergruft.at/kaisergruft/gruft1.htm

http://www.samostan-kostanjevica.si/en-bourboni.htm

Also the Hohenzollern crypt:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hohenzollern_Crypt

If I think of more, I'll send more links.

TCP

I didn't see any matching tombs on any of those links. The Church of Kostanjevica had a checkered floor in the Bourbon crypt like the RLC church though, even with the same black partial tile borders. There is also a crucifix on the monument positioned at the center of the end of the crypt, as in "by this sign conquer". Maybe it's a clue to a similar crypt under the RLC church containing nobles.

Hello everyone,

I've read all the threads here about the opening of my new website and i feel a little uncomfortable about all this subject. So, i would like to clarify myself some little things :

The title of this thread is wrong (at least ambiguous) :
"New website claims to have found Tomb 1, incl Pics and Video"
I have never claim that we have found Tomb 1, and i 've never made a link or any innuendo or allusion to it. Opoul.com is just showing a geological feature near Opoul.

I agree with the fact that it could give a "déjà-vu" feeling to some people, but it is not my fault if this natural feature was used to support some theories.

I have never seen this German Documentary some are talking about, but now, i would love to watch it ! (thanks by advance if someone could provide me a copy).

I'm surprised to read PhC's feelings above.
It is not in my habits to be influenced by anyone to get my own opinions. It is difficult to manipulate me because i'm very curious and when i need to dig, i take the good tools. When i saw this feature, in real, my first reflex was not to run to the Vatican but to find relatives specialized in geological features. Fortunaly i have a friend who is in Geophysical researches.

I will not talk about all of these speculations inside my website because the first purpose of its existence was to talk about the village of Opoul which is the host of my experiment called Chronodrome. The second purpose is educational. I want to offer to people the best tools to be able to understand what each of us can see or encounter in this area. This geological feature is weird enough to fall easily in speculations and loss of time. I wished to start with the village by itself but the discovery of this stone and the oportunity to have friends in Geological fields who helped me to study it, changed my mind. I want this new website to be "neutral" in opinons and i agree that with this first "document" the task seems to be difficult.

Finaly, i hope that this first geologic lesson will help everyone to understand the importance to verify everything by himself and to use the appropriate competences to assess something which need expertise.

Pascal Guillaumes

Thank you Pascal. And sorry, you are right. I did unintentionally misrepresent the intent of the web site by superimposing my own impressions of what you were portraying. Sorry about that.

All the best,

Andrew

Pascal,

As we have discussed these things in private, I feel I should come out of my self-imposed silence, and underline that when I wrote "people behind the scenes of this website", I by default cannot mean you, as you are clearly identified, and did not mean you.
I am specifically referring to an individual that appears on the video images, and you and I know who we are talking about. Seeing that individual, whose sexual obsessions - or rather, fantasy and indulgences - have greatly damaged the internal rest of the Societe Perillos, while at the same time receiving private emails from that person that GREATLY angered me, I indeed lost my more usual cool. As with Andy in the Bloodline saga, when you see so-called friends all of a sudden from a different perspective, you feel a sense of personal betrayal, which doesn't so much as cloud judgment, but makes you add vinegar, salt and pepper not to your fries, but instead to your keyboard My vitriol was not with you, but with that individual...
And now I will go quiet again...

Filip,

How can you even dare to use this kind of sentence about this old person ? I don't know how "sexual obsessions" is used in english but in french you couldn't use it in this case. So, i hope that misunderstood is due to my lack of english.

Anyway, be sure that this person in the movie and the pictures didn't influence me to make my website. I say again that i don't need to be influenced by anybody to get my own opinions.

I'm not aware of your private email with him and i wonder how he could alone damage the rest of the SP. What power does have this shy person to "damage" the trust given to SP ? I think the only reason of SP's problem is the way this stone was used to support theories.

I don't agree with your behavior in this affair specially when you aim to 1 person the guilt. If you are really looking for the true you should accept that serious mistakes were made about the showing of this stone in many occasions.

Pascal

PhC is so cute and fuzzy, how could anyone NOT have a sexual obsession with him?

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Presumably, when you realize you've been hoodwinked, you'll commiserate with Andy about betrayal. Although I do realize that may take a considerable amount of time for you to see that.

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When is this oft mentioned "good time", or due time? Why doesn't Hammott just put a blindfold on Andy Gough and take him to the tomb? He's the only person in this field whose word I would actually take as reliable. What's so hard about this idea? Whatsa matter, Hammott can't find a piece of cloth? Somebody give Hammott a black sock, willya? Gough looks in the hole and if he sees a tomb in there, ba-bing ba-boom, this whole thing is cleared up just like that. Of course, that will never happen because there IS no tomb to take him to. That's the only plausible reason for not doing this. In fact, since Sandy and Kersey have both seen the tomb, according to them, Hammott doesn't even need to be involved. We know he's tied up with his book and personal issues, but why can't Sandy and/or Kersey take Gough to the tomb blindfolded? Gough would probably even pay your travel expenses and buy you dinner. Sandy just said how terrible Gough is for having the temerity to question the authenticity of the Hammott tomb and bottles discoveries. Now's her chance to let him see with his very own eyes that it was true all along. Then Sandy can say "in your face, Andy Gough". How can she pass up such an opportunity? To avoid people seeing Andy sitting in the vehicle blindfolded, which could make them think you kidnapped somebody, you could have him lay down in the backseat until you get off the roads, or use a van.

Ditto.

The aggro on this thread wouldn't be misplaced on football forums.

comedy gold

As they say in Yorkshire, "there's nowt as queer as folk" and the RLC mob are no exception.

Lot of laughs in front such big lies !

I return to you the question : So ? Show us the pictures of the tomb 1 and 2 or an abstract of this video at Amsterdam symposium... I would be very very surprised ! Your predictions were wrong by the way. I just told the truth.

I predict you won't show us anything. Not even a draw, not even a description. You don't know how are the Tombs, where are the tombs and even you don't know if they even exist !

The only thing you ever have described untill now was the circular stone described in www.opoul.com.

Who care ? Your listeners and readers are such naives, they never ask you the good questions because they prefer to stay in a kind of opaque cloud of mystery instead of digging for the truth.

Pascal

At this point, after the thorough debunking of the whole model/Perillos Douzet rubbish, I'd say it's an appropriate time for Douzet and Coppens to expose whatever other evidence they may have to support their otherwise completely unbelievable claims. I don't mean a photo of some crevice with a few artifacts scattered around that Douzet could have got from metal detecting. I mean a photo of the inside of a tomb showing a whole lot of artifacts. Hammott's claims are also highly questionable at present but at least he showed some fairly convincing footage of the inside of a cavern WITH a bunch of chests and artifacts AND a fairly realistic looking body on a slab. Douzet and Coppens just can't compete with that using what they have released so far. We already know that anyone can desecrate a tomb in France with no repercussions whatsoever, as proved by Hammott, so don't give us that lame excuse. If you're going to work a hoax, at least put some honest effort into it and make a nice tomb set with a few thousand dollars worth of props. You just can't get by with a shoestring budget RLC hoax these days.

In other words, you're encouraging these people to break the law by "exploring" the inside of heretofore officially unexcavated tombs, or - alternatively - to go mock up something in a cellar, a la Bloodline?

I don't know whether there are tombs there or not, I shouldn't be surprised if there were tombs all over the place, but I would suggest that the route to follow would be the same as suggested to the "Hammott Gang", which is the official route.

I'm not encouraging it. I'm just saying that it obviously has no consequences so if they want to support their position then that would be an available avenue to do so. I don't mean they should drag a corpse out or anything, just put a camera on a stick and get some footage. Who does that hurt? Douzet claims to have already taken some artifacts from the outer parts of the tomb so why not take the next step? If the authorities have no interest in punishing Hammott for actually removing antiquities from the country, why would they object to Douzet and Coppens simply filming a tomb? Besides, we all know they won't ever be able to excavate on a military firing range, or whatever it's classified as. The best they will ever be able to do is to film it before it gets hit by a mortar. They would be providing a service of recording an important historical site before it's destroyed by the trigger happy French military. How is that a bad thing?

Still waiting for this picture showed in Frontier Symposium.
Is it so difficult to show what was already shown ?
Nobody else have seen it here ?

Thanks by advance.
Pascal

I too would be interested to see the photo of tomb 2. Of course, it could be just about any of the countless caverns in southern France but I still think it should be shown just to prove it's not another anomaly or something.
At least describe it some more. We've seen the Courtade register, now give us a reason to believe that the royal tomb is this particular site and not some unidentified spot under a completely normal looking ground. That's where I would put it, or under a small body of water that could be temporarily diverted. The Visigoths had a good idea there. Not many people willing to go to the trouble of diverting streams or rivers just to see if anything is under them. Now a walk-in cavern, that's just a little too easy to stumble upon.

In the Film from Tellus (German documentary about Douzet's theorie) Douzet says that the Cave "La Caune" is the entrance to access to the Arismatie Tomb.

Well... the Tomb by itself cannot be too fare away from this entrance.
I would say 100, 200, 300 meters ? It cannot be more right?

There is a lot of caves around... and i have visited "La Caune" many times and, in my knowledge, there is no exit from it.
There is several caves around this area but none of them is linked to "La Caune".

If the entrance to access to Arismatie Tomb is INSIDE "La Caune"... and if there is a picture of another entrance (which you don't want to show us), does it mean there is 2 entrances to Tomb 2 ?

I have good reasons to NOT believe that.
So, Filip, we are still waiting to see this picture or at least the reason you don't want to show it anymore.

Is it easier to show a picture in Amsterdam instead of in Southern France where people from the region could identify it ?

Nul n'est prophète en son pays isn't it ?

Pascal