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Big Nose Kate ? Judging by the panel her nose looks rather cute and anything but big. I was expecting a Mrs Cyranno de Beregerac

Big Nose Kate of Tombstone, Arizona.

Forgive my ignorance, Renne, but what on earth does Big Nose Kate have to do with "The Haunting of Highgate Cemetery; the Entity Returns"?

Big Nose Kate`s is a favorite haunt of ghost hunters in Az. Are there

any results from Highgate of certified ghost hunters with infrared equipment?

I would like to see any findings as well as any ghost-orb photos from there.

That's a good question, Renne.

To my knowledge, there's only been one picture of the Highgate Vampire. You can view it here.

The description on the site claims that



So, alas, no infrared photography involved.

Well, I can't read the article at Ufo digest darn it, cause i'm at work, ready to go to lunch.
However, it doesn't surprise me that it's possible occultists had gone back there and stirred things up again.
Has anyone ever thought of doing some sort of night time paranormal investigation there?
There are organizations like The Ghost Club,etc. who could do it.Heck, maybe get the people from the American tv show, Ghost Hunters International to do an investigation.
Surprised that the BBC or some other tv network or even local station there in England didn't have a crew filming any of this at night when it happend.

Which article in the UFO Digest do you refer to, and why would they be covering Highgate?

There have been sightings of the vampire, as per David's claims in recent years.

Of course, this could be a mere "coincidence".

It also hinges on what exactly you believe this "vampire" to be. The VRS, for instance, insist it was an honest-to-goodness undead vampire which they staked sometime in the '70s.

"However, it doesn't surprise me that it's possible occultists had gone back there and stirred things up again."

No, HollyDolly. I don't think the group of 'occultists" have been back to Highgate Cemetery again. The place is closely guarded now by "The Friends of Highgate Cemetery" and patrolled by guard dogs.

However, casual witnesses have still reported - and are still reporting - 'strange experiences' on visits to the cemetery, or in nearby Swains Lane.

It would seem you just can't suppress 'psychic energy' once this has become active.

David Farrant

Yeah, much like a horror movie franchise, it always finds some way to re-emerge and sate its ravenous appetite for cash, uh, I mean psychic energy!

I can certainly see parallels there.

If only a stake could pin it down for good.

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I've noticed that in Psi related literature, as a warning. I've always wondered why that is possible. The same concept exists in particle physics and I've wondered if there is a connection where particles that are introduced to each other remain connected by an underlying field. I think?? the concept is also in string theory where entanglement is next to impossible to extract.

I have a book somewhere called the field where it deals with these concepts. A book that points to the unifying concept of the universe and seeks to lesson the divide between science and philosopy.

clarmonde,

That depends on what you think "it" was.

Vampire? Psychic entity with vampirelike characteristics? Imaginary being cooked up for money-making purposes? Your call.

having read everything i can get my hands on, i really cant believe the version of events i n manchesters account. davids makes much more sense.

Ahhh....

"What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing...."

Good old Oscar Wilde.

Hi Clarmonde,

You absolutely right, David's account isn't perfect but it certainly makes more sense than the other chap's story.
There's a very good book out which deals with the discrepancies in the story:

http://www.amazon.com/Highgate-Vampire- ... 0017466407

Here the Spirit Medium, Accountant and Geologist Patsy Langley takes a fine toothed comb to the version of events portrayed by the other chap and finds many strange issues. Well worth a read IMHO.

Love,
Jen.
x

PS - Hope Anthony doesn't take offence at the book plug I know how much he hates any advertising!

Hi Clarmonde,



What's not perfect about it Jen?

Also, this is a point I was making before about the lesser of two snakeoil salesmen...why choose either? There's other options, ya know!



Hahaha, as I've said before, I don't have a problem with people promoting stuff. It's the deceptive means of doing so, which I don't like, i.e. advertorialism.

I've got no real issue with you recommending Patsy's book, but I would much prefer that you actually disclose your affinity with the HVS, as you obviously have one!

So, what is it, my dear?

Hi Anthony,

I am not a member of the Highgate Vampire Society. This society is mostly concerned with the fantasy of the Vampire and the sensationalism that surround it. I guess it's more of a fan site really. Don't get me wrong, I would recommend it to anyone, but the BPOS is the more serious wing, where genuine paranormal research is carried out, and has been since 1967.

Hope that helps,

Love
Jen
x.

So, I take it you're a BPOS member then?

I am a member of a paranormal society, but I'm not a member of the BPOS.
Bear in mind I live in Ireland.

Love
Jen
x.

Which paranormal society is that, Jen?

Also, I've been tipped off that you're actually Patsy. Can you confirm or deny this? Apparently, your IPs are identical.

yes of course there are other pointsof view.i only mentioned DAVID and SEAN because they are the only books I knew about.I will try to get hold of the one Jenny suggested. Ireally dont wish to be a cynic .But I am like a dog with a bone . I am fascinated. I would sincerely love to see a real authentic vampire.I would be chuffed to bits in fact.

It's very tricky to get a hold of independent material that doesn't have an affinity with Dave or the other bloke. Even the book Jenny mentioned, was published by Dave's BPOS and he knows its author, personally.

And if my source is correct, concerning Jenny's identity...hoo boy.

I can suggest you read "The Highgate Vampire: Grave-Robbing and Rumor Panic" chapter in Bill Ellis' Raising the Devil: Satanism, New Religions, and the Media (2000), if you're interested in an outside source. Maybe even Matthew Beresford's chapter on the Highgate Vampire in From Demons to Dracula: The Creation of the Modern Vampire Myth (2008). You should be able to get copies of these books from your library, or by interlibrary loan.

That said, there's an obvious supernatural bias going on here, in terms of favouring one variety of supernatural over the other. If vampires are too ludicrous to swallow, then why are "psychic entities with vampirelike characteristics" so easy to digest?

There's also a danger, in that wanting to believe too much, we cling to the wrong kind of people, if their writings and such, are somehow in sync with this desire. That's the snakeoil analogy I've been making.

It's not that I don't believe in the supernatural, myself. And my bias is, that they're of a Christian variety. That said, I know how hard it is to "validate" supernatural occurrences, due to frequent fakery and other natural explanations.

But, from a scientific, "rational" viewpoint, it's kinda silly to dismiss one supernatural variation over another, as they neither one are scientifically "valid", if you catch my drift. Rousseau pointed this out when he wrote:



In terms of cynicism, though, I've got no qualm with giving the benefit of the doubt. If I'm cynical about it, then you'd know there's a wealth of material to show why! I'm more than happy for people to reach their own conclusions, though. I'm only going on what I know and what my own experiences have taught me about this case.

Thanks Anthony.Iwill try and get hold of the books you mentioned.This vampire buisness is obviously something you have given a lot of thought .I try to approach it from a reasonably cynical viewpiont because there are so many people running around seeing ghosts and the devil everywhere.But im always hoping to be proved wrong. Sean Manchesters book is certainly very odd. Perhaps he went through some kind of trauma as he seems to be 100 percent convinced it was real. If you wrote a story like that and knew it wasnt i doubt you could not end up a psychological mess.He believes he met a vampire and seems completely convinced.Meanwhile everyone wonders and there seems so much bad feeling and from what i have read outright insults.One wonders how it ever came to this. while there is so much backbiting can we ever really discover what it was that lurked in the cemetery.....

FOR CHARMONDE

"I try to approach it from a reasonably cynical viewpiont because there are so many people running around seeing ghosts and the devil everywhere.But im always hoping to be proved wrong."

Hi Charmonde,
I couldn't agree with you more actually (above) and I appreciate you saying before that my book made was 'more believable' or 'made more sense' than another you've apparently read.
Well, I have been saying for many, many, years now that 'blood-sucking vampires' simply do not exist. I have said that there DO exist different different categories of psychic entities, some more melevolent than others in that these have been known to 'attack' people psychically by draining them of energy and/or even having an hypnotic effect. Such entities are quite common; indeed, have been reported down through the centuries. But although these are said to take on 'vampire-like charasticics' (symptoms as just described), 'vampires' as portrayed in the Hammer movies, simply do not have any existence, except as myth.

But thank you for your posts anyway. I mostly agree with what you say.

For now,

David Farrant

...maybe buy some glasses eh?