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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 8:37 am 
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That is interesting Richard.

However, Robin was only an enemy of the Church in its corrupt state at the time, and the abuses of abbot and Bishops. He made the Bishop of HEREFORD dance round a tree. But Robin , the ballads tell us, was a Christian with a great devotion to the Virgin Mary. As Maid Marian is not mentioned in the earlier ballads and arrived on the scene in the Tudor May Games, she may have been based on the VIRGIN MARY---MAID MARIAN


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 1:10 pm 
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Is this why Robin was buried on crossed ley lines, in unconsecrated ground? All this hooded biz comes across like the KKK which was set up to control Katholix, Kikes + Koonz. The La Sanch dudes are into his 'hoodie' biz as well, sans skateboards.

The word Kike, comes from kreis, or circle, 'cuz when immigrant yiddish speakers came to the U.S and were told to put an x next to their name, if they couldn't write it in anglo, they refused sayin' it looked like a cross on its side, so they used a set of circles. The 'kreis' evolved to be the kikes.

Was Robin done in by freemasons of the day?, 'cuz the KKK was set up by a Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, who's war time motto was... git thar fustest with the mostest... I take it he came from a Scottish family.

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 3:56 pm 
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Very interesting.

These were the guys running the show at Kirklees up until recently, Mr Hepworth was a good friend of milady, Herr Hozenzollern a Prussian Officer? friends of the late lamented secretary of David and now back in bonkyland,

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
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oh jeezuz...you mean big pharma is involved in this? NOW That's a conspiracy.....

This shit just gets stranger by the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 8:18 pm 
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jabberwock wrote:
....Buried on the crossing of ley lines,... man ya can't get it more satanic than that, IMHO, yes? BTW Pilrig I guess ya may have seen these as well but didn't sample them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSXM3Zg0 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KemqLQgH ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb5v5vtPlx4&feature=fvw

I noticed this aspect of the Robin saga has been thoroughly exploited, but his actual demise is still shrouded in mystery, how come?


Clannad - very big respect indeed !

I grew up with the Richard Greene version regularly watched on the telly.

When I was at school we had a alternative version of Robin Hood song, which I shouldn't repeat due to taste. But what the hell, it was a laugh. Apologies in advance to those who are offended :oops:


"Robin Hood saw a nude riding through the glen,
Friar Tuck ran like **** to tell the Merry Men"

Sorry, but I couldn't resist it !


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 8:38 pm 
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Pilrig wrote:
Clannad - very big respect indeed !

I grew up with the Richard Greene version regularly watched on the telly.


Clannad - few better film scores than the bits they contributed to Michael Mann's "Last of the Mohicans", imho. Few better films, either.

On the Robin Hood film front, I see that Ridley Scott has made a version for release next year, with Russell Crowe in the title role, playing an archer in the army of Richard the Lionheart. Looks quite good.


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 11:12 pm 
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Should clarify here that I don't have the book Richard mentioned and quoted further from. I derived that from one of Daimiana's web sites when we were not sure of what could be posted here so I left out the link.
I would however like to read all the former authors work one day and the latter's too.

Pilrig,
You can just forget that Bishop of West Lothian spot waiting for you after that one.


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 15 Dec 2009 11:23 pm 
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hehehe Serendipity, they even created a lube to grease the BOHICA action, hehehe. yeah I got yer drift on that one.

But ya gotta remember this is an enigma made in blokeland by blokes for blokes, the rest of the anglo world are relegated to bein' stand-by 'watchers', we be's stranded in the gas station of love, serendipity, to cop a refrain by Weird Al, and now we gotta use the self service pump.

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 12:05 am 
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TCJ wrote:
Should clarify here that I don't have the book Richard mentioned and quoted further from. I derived that from one of Daimiana's web sites when we were not sure of what could be posted here so I left out the link.
I would however like to read all the former authors work one day and the latter's too.


I have a large Dennis Wheatley collection - some of the hardbacks and the vintage paperbacks are quite collectible, with some great covers - although it's a long time since I read one. Many are pulp and not worth reading, but there are some good ones, and not just the black magic stories, which were a relatively small proportion of his output. But if you were to read just one of the black magic variety, then I would recommend "The Devil Rides Out", which is a true classic of the genre. "The Haunting of Toby Jugg" is also very good, and to segue into the demon spider spat on another thread, is about a plot by satanists to drive the eponymous Toby Jugg insane (thus depriving him of his inheritance), by conjuring a giant spider to crawl across his bedroom floor at night, whilst he's bedridden after being shot down during WWII. Like this. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 12:14 am 
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"The Haunting of Toby Jugg" is also very good, and to segue into the demon spider spat on another thread, is about a plot by satanists to drive the eponymous Toby Jugg insane (thus depriving him of his inheritance), by conjuring a giant spider to crawl across his bedroom floor at night, whilst he's bedridden after being shot down during WWII. Like this.

Thanks Richard, thats my nightmares sorted out for the next few weeks, I'm a real arachnophobe :(
Gosh I hate spiders.
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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 12:44 am 
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More thanks Richard. Been searching around earlier and saw "pulp" etc. mentioned and not more than a few times either. Will keep your 2 recommends on the "list" of must reads. Years back, decades, I read many of the Llewellyn esoteric paperbacks and found some to be good and some just utter garbage.


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 7:55 am 
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Please feel free to post up what links you like,

Most Robin Hood books pay no regard to history--the same goes for films and TV. they invariably put him in the tiem of Richard the Lionheart for which there is not evience whatsoever, the King mentioned in the ballads is Edward though it doesnt say which one--but the ballads and the documents coincide to suggest Edward 11--how have fun with that! The real story of Robin Hood is much more interesting that all this made up historically careless stuff I have referred to. Robin spent 15 months at the court in London, now get your heads round that--shortly after he returned to Barnsdale Forest Edward 11 was deposed by his wife, the She Wolkf of France, and her lover Roger Mortimer--later they murdered him,

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 11:44 am 
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jabberwock wrote:
hehehe Serendipity, they even created a lube to grease the BOHICA action, hehehe. yeah I got yer drift on that one.

But ya gotta remember this is an enigma made in blokeland by blokes for blokes, the rest of the anglo world are relegated to bein' stand-by 'watchers', we be's stranded in the gas station of love, serendipity, to cop a refrain by Weird Al, and now we gotta use the self service pump.


But ALL the stations are now self-service...what does that say about love?

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 5:20 pm 
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Some of the rubbish "Caledfwlch" has posted on this thread makes me sick.

What has any of this got to do with "Caledfwlch"?
What proof have you got that Barbara is the one making fabrications? Why do you automatically take the bishop's side every time? Barbara's contributions have been entertaining and enlightening. Yours have been boring and confrontational. YOU SIR! are the one messing up the board not Mrs Green!


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She was not present during the 1990 vigil, so how do her misconceptions arise? The version she offers does not tally with the bishop's account.

Caldefwlch was not present either as has "No Connection" to Manchester. Why does he care what Barabara says about a vigil that took place 20 years ago???


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The only "ego" I am witnessing is yours. Why do you keep attacking the bishop year in and year out with your totally unsubstantiated accusations?
Why do you care, Caldefwlch, if you have "No Connection" to Manchester? Your obsessive defence of someone you don't know, have never met and have "No Connection" to is baffling, perhaps even slightly disturbing.


After a weekend rest "Caledfwlch" then piped up with:

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When you say "we", you mean you and David Farrant presumably? Neither of you have anything to do with the bishop or his work, whether that be investigatory or otherwise. Looking for excuses not to respond openly and honestly on this forum when you overstep the line is something you both have in
common.


And you also have nothing to do with the bishop or his work, unless you lied about having "No connection" to Manchester.

We deserve to know the truth. I'll ask you again. Are you connected to Bishop Manchester?


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 5:39 pm 
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Hi Barbara,

Just wanted to wish you all the best with your campaign to get better access to the grave.
If I lived in the UK I would march up to the cap-doffers and give them a taste of my riding crop!

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2009 7:27 pm 
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Thank you Jenny--well said all round, but be careful as Calderwitch is more than likely the bishop himself and people who dont agree with him often end up geting bombarded with e mails and threats of libel action. We dont take any nootice of his threats but it can be unpleasant if you're not expecting it!

I am trying to get Robin's grave restored and open to the public but it has been well stitched up from what I can gather, with a consortium guarding it, though I am not sure who is in the consortium of cap doffrers--I hope my new contact in the council, who is NOT a cap doffer, will be able to answer me a few questions.I could not believe he had been in the rm film and. like the rest of us, had our time and goodwill tossed aside jusy because of milady's whims and fancies, and that of her flunky!

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 10:28 am 
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Hi Barbara,

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Calderwitch is more than likely the bishop himself


Well even if he isn't, he's obviously too thick to realise that he is painting both the bishop and himself in an incredibly poor light.
Personally I think he is just a troll. Dredging up tripe to cause trouble for his own entertainment. Trolls should be ignored.



Jen
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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
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TCJ wrote:
Yes that graphic in the google book was striking wasn't it? Boars were prominent and important creatures of symbolism and reverence to the old Celtic families like McDermott and MacTavish.

Good link. Best I've seen. Thanks!


Also Clan Campbell...Duke of Argyle

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 3:10 pm 
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Thanks Jenny

I hope you are right over trolls but over the past 25 years people with funny names have popped up defending the bishop and seeeming to know everything down to the last detail and all spouting the same stuff, often copy and pasted. Why anyone should bother defending this
person is a mystery, however, many thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 8:08 pm 
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Also Clan Campbell...Duke of Argyle

Funny you should mention that as that latter surname where mine is derived from just recently had the Court of the Lord Lyon rule in the clan chiefs favor to take them out from under clan Campbell's long standing claim of their being a mere sept. Talk about a long feud! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 8:31 pm 
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TCJ wrote:
Pilrig,
You can just forget that Bishop of West Lothian spot waiting for you after that one.


Remember the Kevin Costner Robin Hood film ? It had the big hit song by Bryan Adams and this was and is a very popular tune with couples and played frequently at wedding receptions when the bride and groom got up to dance. Well one story I heard was that the happy couple requested to the band at their reception that they play the Robin Hood song, obviously meaning the Bryan Adams version. The band struck up instead "Robin Hood, Robin Hood, riding through the glen..." :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood
PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 8:53 pm 
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richard.webster wrote:
TCJ wrote:
Should clarify here that I don't have the book Richard mentioned and quoted further from. I derived that from one of Daimiana's web sites when we were not sure of what could be posted here so I left out the link.
I would however like to read all the former authors work one day and the latter's too.


I have a large Dennis Wheatley collection - some of the hardbacks and the vintage paperbacks are quite collectible, with some great covers - although it's a long time since I read one. Many are pulp and not worth reading, but there are some good ones, and not just the black magic stories, which were a relatively small proportion of his output. But if you were to read just one of the black magic variety, then I would recommend "The Devil Rides Out", which is a true classic of the genre. "The Haunting of Toby Jugg" is also very good, and to segue into the demon spider spat on another thread, is about a plot by satanists to drive the eponymous Toby Jugg insane (thus depriving him of his inheritance), by conjuring a giant spider to crawl across his bedroom floor at night, whilst he's bedridden after being shot down during WWII. Like this. :wink:

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"The Devil Rides Out", The Duc de Richleau, not the sort of book you'd get at school ! More's the pity as it's a damn (!) good read. The film was disappointing somehow, even though Sir Christopher Lee was tailor-made as the Duc. And of course in the film there's the pentagram and the giant spider.

I've got Wheatley's "The Satanist" and "They Used Dark Forces", ashamed to say I've never got round to reading them yet.
BUT one book of Wheatley's has an honoured place in my bookshelves, and that's his short and sympathetic biography of Charles II - "Old Rowley" .

Oh another posting mentions Clan Campbell, well Charles II signed the death warrant for Archibald Campbell, 1st Marquis of Argyle.


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I became fast friends with a married couple from Argyle visiting here that when hearing of my heritage wanted to know if I was Campbell or MacDonald. It really was a serious question and my reply of the latter was welcomed. Bad blood still!
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PostPosted: 17 Dec 2009 9:58 pm 
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Pilrig wrote:
"The Devil Rides Out", The Duc de Richleau, not the sort of book you'd get at school ! More's the pity as it's a damn (!) good read. The film was disappointing somehow, even though Sir Christopher Lee was tailor-made as the Duc. And of course in the film there's the pentagram and the giant spider.

I've got Wheatley's "The Satanist" and "They Used Dark Forces", ashamed to say I've never got round to reading them yet.
BUT one book of Wheatley's has an honoured place in my bookshelves, and that's his short and sympathetic biography of Charles II - "Old Rowley".


Christopher Lee cites that film as one of his favourite roles, and he was very good in it, as you say, as was Charles Gray (Blofeld in "Diamonds Are Forever"), as the villain, and the late Paul Eddington (Yes Minister, The Good Life) as Richard Eaton, the owner of the house where they take shelter in the pentagram. A bit dated, but still a good film.

A few nice Wheatley covers for you.

"The Island Where Time Stands Still", 1st ed. from 1954, beautiful:
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Not the first Richlieu novel to be written, c. 20 years after "Devil Rides Out", but featuring him as a young man, when the mere "Count de Quesnoy":
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Check this one out. :lol: The Eunuch of Stamboul.
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I've never actually read this one, but I have to say, if the book is half as good as the cover, it must be great! :lol:


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Damiana (Barbara)
I would like to take the opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas! Since there has been some dispute about the name 'Caledfwlch' I might mention that, although I do not speak Welsh, some of my relatives do, and I know that in Welsh the letter 'w' is pronounced as 'oo', so that 'fwl' should be read as 'fool'. There is much more that I could say, but it is freezing cold and snowing in London so I am going to go off and hibernate for a while.
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