Visions and Vampires - and Robin Hood

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DVB · **Joined:** 20 Jul 2008 4:03 pm **Posts:** 683

Without wishing to give personal offence to the Moderator, I'm sure I can't be the only member of this forum who has absolutely no idea why you have deleted the content of this quite fascinating thread.

I don't recall any personal attack and insult; it was quite a laid-back and friendly thread.

You say that discussion should proceed in a professional manner; does that mean that we're not allowed humorous ripostes?

Members are reminded that should they wish to discuss this subject matter -- but how can we, now that it's gone?

These are genuine questions, seeking answers.

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

Well it was either "him" or "them" who has made the fuss, interesting reaction ! I am sure it was no worse than any of the other stuff about a cerain person and the Kirklees Vampire story was entirely his own account so I dont see how he can object!

damiana

DVB · **Joined:** 20 Jul 2008 4:03 pm **Posts:** 683

By it was either "him" or "them" who has made the fuss, presumably you mean either Robin Hood or the Vampires, as in the title of this thread. Can't think who else it could be...

Serendipity · **Joined:** 20 May 2008 3:32 pm **Posts:** 2908

I can't remember everything that was in this thread, but I think I remember reading something about Robin Hoods grave being about 300 years old.

The problem with that, is that, (if I'm not mistaken) the Robin Hood Festival - May Day - is much older than 300 years.

There is a great story about the Robin Hood Festivals and such on the Edinburgh Mile website.
http://www.edinburgh-royalmile.com/iframe_files/high-street.html

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In 1561 the Tolbooth figures in one of those tulzies or rows so common in the Edinburgh of those days ; but in this particular instance we see a distinct foreshadowing of the Porteous mob of the eighteenth century, by the magistrates forbidding a " Robin Hood." This was the darllng May game of Scotland as well as England, and, under the pretence of frolic, gave an unusual degree of licence; but the Scottish Calvinistic clergy, with John Knox at their head, and backed by the authority of the magistrates of Edinburgh, who had of late been chosen exclusively from that party, found it impos-sible to control the rage of the populace when deprived of the privilege of having a Robin Hood, with the Abbot of Unreason and the Queen of the May. Thus it came to pass, that in May, 1561, when a man in Edinburgh was chosen as " Robin Hood and Lord of Inobedience," most probably because he was a frolicsome, witty, and popular fellow, and passed through the city with a great number of followers, noisily, and armed, with a banner displayed, to the Castle Hill, the magistrates caught one of his companions, " a cordiner's servant," named James Gillon, whom they condemned to be hanged on the 21st of July.

DVB · **Joined:** 20 Jul 2008 4:03 pm **Posts:** 683

I can understand why the killjoy John Knox couldn't cope with the practice of the Lord of Misrule, a wonderful, historical, (usually) once-a-year opportunity to puncture pomposity. I've not heard it linked with Robin Hood before. A quite common version was that in some abbeys the abbot would be replaced for one day by one of the most junior boys. One of these days I must do more research into the origins of the custom. It was certainly quite commonplace in mediaeval Britain, but I don't know how far back it goes.

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

No I didnt mean the moderator, I mean"them"--the powers that be in Yorkshire (the funny handshake brigade and cap doffers) , who for the past thirty years have managed to suppress anything to do with this subject--I have posted the whole story from 1984-2009 to a private message but obvioulsy if it went up here it would be down again in a flash, but its on plenty of other sites, but no point in putting the links either. If it is on the other hand "him" then why he wants his own stories which are published and in print by himself , about his visions and vampire hunts to Kirklees, to be deleated, I have no idea, as theya re his stories which I have copies of--presumably since publication he has had a change of heart if thats the case.

damiana

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

It truly is a vastly intriguing topic that not only covers a renown legends murder but also
gives great insight into how folk lived in those days....and how they behave in these.
Imagine an illicitly presided over convent full of very naughty and lusty nuns!

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In addition to nuns, the house was used as a sort of boarding school by local noblemen intent on keeping their daughters out of trouble. This effort had mixed success: the young noblewomen brought luxuries and a sense of fun with them that sometimes spread to the nuns, and there are several recorded incidents when nuns ran off with priests or otherwise carried on scandalously, sometimes right on priory grounds

http://lisahendrix.com/2009/08/30/the-p ... -kirklees/

There well appears to be a Ley line intersection involved also giving more food for thought in its paranormal aspects.

The ignoring of important historical monuments continuing fall into further decrepitude, and even possible future razing for commercial development, is an ongoing affair allowed by the local politics and those of peerage and inheritance.

Looking into the history of this hostelry dating back to 1539 finds a tragic and well haunted story in it's own right.

http://tiny.cc/dk6aZ

The spirits seem not at all willing to go gentle into that good night and the legend continues on with more recent additions!

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

I have sent a private link to my website as I am not sure its allowed on here--the picture is self explanatory to those who have the full story! I have many more in my files, but certain people would be "we are not amused." Basically many of the characters, not all thoug, have been involved--the Red Monkey film being the most recent- lots of work and filming for about 3 years-2004-7--and suddenly, after the producers going"cap in hand" for approval to the PTB( OR THINK THEY ARE!) and why they went to ask for permission was barmy , apart from a five minute slot in the film on an unofficial shoot at Kirklees---its all on the cutting room floor---and not for the first time!

Time after time this has happened---but its all on the website and my private message as I dont know what is allowed on here and what is VERBOTEN.

DAMIANA

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

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I dont know what is allowed on here

Neither do I so let's try this well done and dickipoggy free website for starts.

The Outlaw Robin Hood, His Yorkshire Legend:

http://www.robinhoodyorkshire.co.uk/

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

A recorded walk to the graveside is seen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk5hgDIg4-A

For those not modern musically inclined, this period piece supplanted over the above works well also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

The Fortean Times message board has a dated but highly telling and informative discussion thread on the Kirklees Vampire.

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

Its been on many message boards, but the Fortean one is fairly typical!

Damiana

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

This is the film we made but never got released!

http://www.redmonkeyfilms.co.uk/Red%20M ... %20(latest)/robin%20hood2.htm

It sudenly went off production after the director took it to Kirklees for approval- after which it wa never heard of again!

damiana

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

sorry--try again!

http://www.redmonkeyfilms.co.uk/Red%20M ... %20(latest)/robin%20hood2.htm

hope this one oesnt go dickipoggy!

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

Have been wanting to see that badly but am afraid your 2nd link went that still colloquially indeterminate way.

Try shortening a possible very long link thus;

http://tinyurl.com/

Edit: All efforts to get to that at best found a short mention and "in post production".

http://tinyurl.com/yeur7xj

jabberwock · **Posted:** 07 Dec 2009 10:04 pm

Nearly 50 years ago I met a fair damsel from a dump called Sutton-in-Ashfield, in the midst of a coal mining area full of fetid slag heaps. Fair damsel's dad was a Robin Hood fan and 1 day he took us all for a ride to a small copse of what was left of Nottingham Forest of olde. He showed me a memorial plaque listing the usual suspects like Friar Tuck, etc.

He told me the actual forest in its heyday could be traversed in a day from any direction. The notion of it being a sanctuary was a real joke in his way of describing it. His take was definitely more interesting, he saw Robin as an urban guerrilla thug who'd make a mad dash to the forest then sneak out after dark and have the Sheriff waste his time all day searching for him.

The local stories abounded with fantasy bits like villagers would go there, poach an animal or 2, build a small fire, leave scraps of burnt meat as proof they were recently there to lure said Sheriff. These embellishments over time are what we have today.

I have no idea as to what, if anything, is to be found at what may or not be this so-called forest. I can imagine the spins of the tales of what happened in the forest would allow for all sorts of creepy creatures.

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

"In Savoy in 1477 a witch named Antoine Rose was brought to trial. She had told a neighbour that she badly needed money, so the friend took her to a sabbath where she was persuaded to do homage to the Devil… They knew him by the name of Robinet.
This is one of the many instances in which witches stated that the Devil was spoken of by them as Robin, or some form of that name.
Dame Alice Kyteler called him Robin Artisan, the Somerset witches called the chief of their coven Robin; and Puck, a deity of the Little People, was also know as Robin Goodfellow. Professor Murray remarks on the connection between the latter and Robin Hood, and points out that the legends regarding Robin Hood associate him with many places far removed from Sherwood Forest - for instance, Scotland."

The Devil and all his works - Dennis Wheatley

ndawe · **Posted:** 08 Dec 2009 5:38 am

TCJ referred to - The Devil and all his works - Dennis Wheatley

Synchronicitously, for anyone interested, there is an excellent new biography of Dennis Wheatley out - "The Devil is a Gentleman", by Phil Baker, pub. Dedalus

damiana · **Joined:** 30 Nov 2009 4:40 pm **Posts:** 239

I'm sorry about the dickipoggy link folks but you managed to find it--the preview is all there is--I cannot get any answers about when it will be released and think it has simply been sabotaged, like a load of other stuff! Funny Tony Robinson managed to get is oar in though and do a film about Kirklees that repeated all the YRHS stuff, but he was warned off speaking to us, but the tv people refused to tell me who it was, though they said it was true--well, it was the same with the American professors, people like that managed to get permission to research but us local historians were fobbed off--not that that ever stopped us--we are true outlaws, just like Robin---fancy being outlawed from his grave--thats what we showed on the film and then the producer went to ask permission to show it--I ask you, hoe daft can you get!

damiana

DVB · **Joined:** 20 Jul 2008 4:03 pm **Posts:** 683

ndawe wrote:

TCJ referred to - The Devil and all his works - Dennis Wheatley

Synchronicitously, for anyone interested, there is an excellent new biography of Dennis Wheatley out - "The Devil is a Gentleman", by Phil Baker, pub. Dedalus

Phil's a regular Fortean Times writer, and a thoroughly decent guy. I've not read his book yet, but he had an article based on it in last month's FT (256: 38-43). Well worth reading.

Back to vampires: the latest issue of FT (January: FT257: 34-41) has an article on "The Many Lives of Count Dracula" by the lovely Gail-Nina Anderson.

Caledfwlch · **Joined:** 01 Dec 2009 11:08 am **Posts:** 200

TCJ wrote:

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I dont know what is allowed on here

Neither do I so let's try this well done and dickipoggy free website for starts.

The Outlaw Robin Hood, His Yorkshire Legend:

http://www.robinhoodyorkshire.co.uk/

I wonder what connection, if any, "damiana" has with this Robin Hood of Yorkshire website?

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

It is her website as she stated previously also while assuming it's deletion in ever trying at posting the link.
It's the culmination of years of research including personal local experiences and being a 'webpage' can only generally show some of what has been uncovered and there remains a large amount of the rest which she has generously and in highest of academic ways shared with me privately.

Any criticisms to come of her contributions here being "self seeking" in a commercial sense would be the same absurdity of cynicism as other published members in this group discussing their works of expertise being looking for sales. In fact, she has not mentioned once any of her publications.

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

A time line of the modern Robin Hood - Kirklees Vampire history will be found below.

http://www.highton.org/robinhoodold/update.htm

Caledfwlch · **Joined:** 01 Dec 2009 11:08 am **Posts:** 200

TCJ wrote:

A time line of the modern Robin Hood - Kirklees Vampire history will be found below.
http://www.highton.org/robinhoodold/update.htm

That timeline of damiana's states:

"1991 Famous vampire hunter, YRHS patron, who is now a bishop of the Old Catholic Church, allegedly led a vampire hunt up to the graveside."

Against which we should consider what is stated on the link below:

http://vampireresearchsociety.blogspot.com/2009/02/kirklees-mystery-west-yorkshire.html

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