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Turn everything around the other way, Barbara, and apply it to yourself. Then you're getting much closer to the truth. How many times have you lied about a certain bishop's professional career? When the boot's on the other foot you really don't like it, do you? That said, I don't believe I have lied. I merely repeated what I had read elsewhere, something you do all the time when it suits your agenda.


I HAVE NEVER LIED ABOUT THE BISHOP--PLEASE QUOTE WHERE I HAVE AND I WILL REPLY


If you believe something I have said is wrong and that your rejoinder would be "provable" then by all means go ahead and prove it. I welcome this opportunity for you to set the record straight about absolutely anything, but with supporting evidence, not just hot air!


WELL THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SATISFY YOURSELF IS TO ASK MY HEALTH AUTHORITY, LOW OPINION OF THEM THAT I HAVE, THEY CANNOT REFUTE THE FACT THAT I LEFT OF MY OWN FREE WILL AT RETIREMENT. HERE IS THE INFO CALDERDALE PCT DEAN CLOUGH HALIFAX WHEN YOU RECEIVE CONFIRMATION PLEASE MAKE IT PUBLIC.

What is interesting (I use the word "interesting" here very loosely) is your willingness to ask endless questions of someone who is no longer contributing or (though I stand to be corrected) even viewing this forum, while never answering questions yourself from those you take offence against. Why is that, do you think? You will always find some excuse why you don't need to respond to questions raised by anyone who doesn't necessarily agree with you.

TWADDLE I ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND INVITE HIS MAJESTY TO REPLY HIS GOOD SELF HIMSELF AS WE ALL KNOW HE PORES OVER STUFF ABOUT HIMSELF NON STOP-- NOT THROUGH HIS LEGION OF ANONYMOUS SUPPORTERS YOU BEING ONE AND WITH EVIDENCE, REFERENCES ETC.

By the way, what does "copped out" mean? You still haven't explained that expression.


WORK IT OUT CHUM


DAMIANA

David,



Um...how is it "taunting", Dave? Are you saying that Barbara's incapable of even answering questions directed to her? I mean, she was there. She's a Roman Catholic and she assisted you and Gareth conducting a pagan ceremony over grounds you trespassed on. I was merely asking how she resolves this within her Catholic faith.

If Gareth wants to talk about the "blessing ceremony", then by all means. But it's hardly gonna make a difference in my questions to her, is it?



So, in other words, you won't produce the documents. Why doesn't that surprise me... And my comment about having them authenticated? Conveniently dodged.

To add insult to injury you a) adopt a superior attitude about them b) misuse a Biblical allusion to an allegedly Wiccan document. Also, why are you even appealing to Barbara as a defence...considering she's Roman Catholic? Are you expecting her to back you up on these Wiccan documents (which I bet she hasn't even seen).

As to them being so (conveniently) secret...not doing a good job by mentioning them, are ya?

TCP,



You're right...he hasn't! But apparently, those who dispute Wicca's "ancient" origins are the ignorant ones (that'd include you)!

So, again, Dave, I'm calling you out. You say you have or you've seen manuscripts confirming the ancientness of Wicca. By all means, share them here. Forget this "pearls before swine" crap.

Also, would you like me to find someone who can authenticate them for ya? After all, you're sitting on some pretty significant historical documents (presuming they even exist) that'd turn scholarship on Wicca on its head. Go on. What've you got to lose?

Barbara,

Speaking as someone who (until recently) was suspended for "personal attacks" and/or accusing people of being frauds (depending on who you ask), I do find it highly hypocritical that you and Dave have been able to publish half the stuff you have on here.

That said, I am not justifying Ven's actions. Far from it. But that's my general attitude: make an accusation against someone, you bloody well back it up.

So, if you demand an apology from him, I could just as easily ask for one from you and your accomplice, Dave (who refuses to do so himself, despite several false comments about me and general insults).

Oh, and by the way, could you refrain from CAPS, please. If you don't know how to use the quote function, I'm happy to teach ya.

What do you want an apology for? Please list.

Also as I have said many times the blessing by Gareth was before I became a RC so there is nothing dickipoggy there, and even so we had been asking the Church--Anglican mainly--to at least write to Lady Armytage and ask for permission to perform a blessing over Robin 's grave, but they would not even do this because something scared them off, or warned them off--otherwise why would they not have written to ask Permission off Lady Armytage and why would she have refused such a thing--even if in her eyes it was a load of rubbish and a nuisance, as a public practising Christian herself--she was big pals with the Vicaress of Harthshead Reverend Dodi--if she had refused it would have looked a bit dickipoggy---so why not let the local Robin Hood pests as that seemed to be her view-- just go ahead and do their ceremony, why ring up the bigwigs in Wakefield to put a stop to it?

Damiana

I know that is the game you are playing, Barbara, which is why I won't fall for it. You want the focus of all this nonsense to fall on him more than anyone else. That is why you raise issues about him on here and not where he can be found. You know very well you've lied about him on countless forums and sites. I am not going to repeat on this forum vile lies and spiteful rumours spread by the likes of you. That's exactly what you would like to happen.




So it's only "provable" if I prove it? You know full well, Barbara, that no health authority will discuss matters of this kind about a past employee unless it is with a present employer checking out references.




But not where he is likely to see anything. You avoid putting anything to him where he can actually see it and respond. How do you know he "pores over stuff about himself"? Is this because someone waging a hate campaign against him told you so? Or are you so psychic you can read his mind? And you dare to use the word "twaddle" when addressing me!






You have just proven my point. I ask a simple question and you just cannot answer it.

Barbara,



Frequent insults and snide comments about myself, done in tandem with Dave.



Oooh, ok. So what were you at that time? And how do you resolve it with your faith, now? Again, do you think the pagan rite was effective?



That's hard to say, as Lady Armytage has since shuffled off her mortal coil. I can only speculate a few suggestions, if you indulge me. For instance, perhaps they simply didn't want to intrude on her private property. Maybe they heard about other such attempts? Maybe the notion of exorcising the spectre of a commonly regarded legendary outlaw put them off? Maybe they didn't want the place becoming a pilgrimage site for gawking paranormalists and such.

Could be a whole bunch of reasons. What were the reasons she gave?



Well, maybe that's just it...as a public practicing Christian, why would she encourage "Robin Hood pests" to roam around her property? Wouldn't it also attract other pests of this nature?

Think of Highgate, fer instance.

Also, the ceremony that was conducted was pagan! So, perhaps another explanation is, that as a Christian, she wouldn't be fond of such rites being conducted on her property. To top it off, you and Dave have now been shopping the story around (and, to be fair, you guys weren't the only ones who buggered about there against her wishes). Essentially, making a quid/generating publicity over an illegal act you guys participated in. Hell, it's Highgate all over again!

And this is the fundamental problem: we're dealing with mere speculation here, not fact. Unless you can prove otherwise, of course...

Oh yes there is!

You were still a member of the Church of England up until you joined the Roman Catholic Church.

I was under the impression (from memory) you had already begun receiving instruction for entry into the RC Church before the occult ceremony involving pagan evocations around Easter 2005. If I am wrong, when did you start to prepare to become a Roman Catholic?

Either way, you definitely called yourself a Christian (Anglican) who attended the Church of England before participating in the illegal ceremony led by a High Priest in the Fellowship of Isis.

My retirement is in the Brighouse Echo sometime 2006--look that up!

Please specify where I have lied about your bishop and I will answer, to specifics not airy fairy generalisations

damiana

Was you "under the impression" indeed--no one has evern heard of you before, like all the bishops legion of honour supporters, they never have real names.

Where did you get your impressions, forsooth?

damiana

All that will be is something you have sent them yourself or told them on the 'phone. A bit like the occult ceremony and other events you gave them with accompanying photographs for publication.




Did you not read my earlier post? I will not be drawn into playing your game of involving the principal target of your various vendettas. End of story. So save your breath.

That might be because, like you and most others, I use a net name. Why should you have heard of me? I am nothing to do with you or your associates in pursuing matters of the kind that have obsessed you for literally decades.

The bishop's "legion of honour supporters"? Well, I suppose he does have four or five thousand members on Facebook. While you, Barbara, have barely a dozen.

I still cant make up the reality of the fact that I retired, as reported in the local press ,whatever else I can "make up"---and what evidence have you for that?

Also I dont have anyone much on facebook purely because I dont like it much and havent time to bother with it and I would not have thought an important reputable bishop had time to mess about on Facebook--its for kids and people who have to live in cyberworld instead of the real world.

damiana

Like, say...a forum or blog?

Anyhoo, I do hope you get 'round to answering my questions.

You can make up what you like and local newspapers will usually print it. Just like the occasion you claimed you saw a vampire at Kirklees:

"Like a bat she hung there for what seemed like an eternity, her black nun's robes flapping eerily while her eyes flashed red and venomous and her teeth bared sharp and white between snarling blood-red lips." (Barbara Green, Brighouse Echo, 12 November 1995)




If you took the trouble to actually view the reputable bishop's Facebook friends you will discover that many of them are priests, bishops, archbishops, even the occasional cardinal. One of his FB friends is the current leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England. How, I wonder, does the RC primate have time to "mess about on Facebook"? He nevertheless does, as do many bishops. But my point of mentioning the bishop-in-question's very large following on Facebook was in response to your snide inference that his friends are all imaginary and manufactured. Now where have I heard that before? I believe it was a close friend of yours, Barbara, who you visited recently but have carefully avoided befriending on Facebook lest the dozen you so far have accumulated don't desert you!

And, in case you think I had forgotten, I am still waiting for an answer to my question: when did you start to receive instruction for entry into the Roman Catholic Church?

http://www.catholic.org/prayers/become.php

When I started to receive instruction is none of your business, ask your trusty informant--the one who told you the rubbish about my job. This person might tell you the truth about that as it applies to the person his/herself at the same time.

It may be so on facebook, I dont bother with it much as I said, simply because I do other things, it doesnt interest me.It is not because I am ostrich-sized as you like to imply. If all these religious people are doing it, well perhaps they should be visiting all the naughty people out there, or staking vampires? Or giant spiders? Instead of writing, in this particular instance, rubbish on a message board.

damiana

"So it's only "provable" if I prove it? You know full well, Barbara, that no health authority will discuss matters of this kind about a past employee unless it is with a present employer checking out references"

N0. YOU are the person who made a false statement 'Venator' about Barbara's job based on most decidedly unChristian comments by a person who proclaims to be a practicing Christian. You 'swallowed these wholesale' because it happened to suit the hate campaign you have been orchestrating against Barbara. (Hiding behind an invented alias as usual). Your comments have now been removed because it was a malicious and untrue allegation. But Barbara doesn't have to 'prove' anything - she already has. YOU are the one who made this false accusation 'Venator' based only on wrong information given yourself by some irrate female.

You have yet to list an of the malicious allegations (as has the Hoggy individual) you claim Barbara has made about yourself. Other than quoting what you yourself originally wrote (about 'blood-sucking vampires', for example) and questioning you about this, she
has made none. YOU have, on the other hand, about herself.

The same goes for the 'Hoggy' individual who has plastered this Forum with personal insults and false accusations about both myself and Barbara. The evidence is all there if anybody just cares to read back. He was eventually suspended for doing just this, and it would appear he is heading in that direction yet again.

Speaking personally, I am under no obligation to 'prove' anything to anyone. I answer questions here as truthfully as I can, but it really matters little or nothing to me if people choose not to believe me. That only remains their problem.

The answer is really quite simple. If you don't believe me; then just don't believe me. I really don't care one way or the other! I've long become accustomed to the ravings of a few mindless bigots. That is the main reason I just ignore their comments.

When it comes to telling deliberate lies about people though (as in Barbara's case) I will set the record straight if facts being stated or claims are deliberately untrue. I refer directly to yourself here 'Venator'. Show us where Barbara has insulted anyone. But, of course, you won't be able to!

David Farrant

David,



Firstly, it's nice to see a lapsed Wiccan banging on about unChristian behaviour, as if he was somehow qualified to do so.

Second, in light of all your whinging about false accusations...you've now made one about me. Exactly what "personal insults and false accusations" have I made against you and Barbara?

Get off your high horse, Dave. You, yourself, make many personal attacks and false accusations. For instance, you previously claimed I was an accomplice of Caledfwlch. That is a blatant lie. When I asked you to apologise, you refused. Now you're trying to take the moral high ground here? Get bloody real.



I imagine this concerns your so-called manuscripts. You know, the ones that prove Wicca to be over 100 years old. The same manuscripts you won't show anyone but claim are "secret". Puhlease.

Obviously, you're happy to bang on about other people being "frauds" (particularly your archnemesis), but when the shoe's on the other foot, and you're questioned about your evidence...you retreat.

I'd say you do have an obligation to prove your claims when you debate with others and snidely refer to them as "ignorant" and "bigots", drop Biblical allusions like "pearls before swine" and adopt a "holier than thou" attitude...but refuse to back up your own claims.

That is quite simply intellectual cowardliness. At best.



And see? You're doing it again. You refer to discussions on here as the "ravings of a few mindless bigots", which is massively insulting to people who've simply tried to engage you in conversation.

Making snide remarks about what people write (including myself) is not "ignoring" what they say, as you pretend to do. Obviously, you have a lack of courtesy in addressing people and instead prefer to "snipe".

Need I remind you again of the House Rules, David?

Look, Barbara, I don't have an "informant" (trusty or otherwise). I read it on the web, put there by people involved in the NHS themselves. Just as I read about your self-published "Ladies of the Night" which also caused a barrage of hostile reaction from NHS employees amongst others. So please don't superimpose your obsessive perceptions onto me 'cause it doesn't apply. You say that it is none of my business when you began instruction in the Roman Catholic Church when it is a relevant and appropriate question to ask in view of your statement:

(Posted by you 07 May 2010 10:29 am on this thread.)




Perhaps they are more efficient at multi-tasking than you, and doesn't a social-networking site like Facebook enable these religious people to reach "naughty people" on a scale not otherwise possible? As for writing rubbish, I'll leave that to you and your associate.

well please give me the links which say I was sacked.
I will soon put them right.
damiana

It seemeth odd that his holiness hath a Legion of followers one after the other,where is Caldefwych now---who know his every word, yet he is supposely blissfully unaware of you ladyboys writing in his defence when in fact if you got a detail wrong thee woudl be hell to pay. Why dont you all get together and compare notes, starting with Exorstate? Where do you get your info from other than the writings, without back up evidence, from the holy man himself.

You the venerable Venater are only the altest in a long line to pop up out of nwhere,

damiana

I wouldn't wish you, Barbara, onto my worst enemy.

Anyway, you can't demand anything when you answer absolutely nothing yourself.

I have answered you. And Mr Hoggy. Please list where I have offended his holiness specifically and tell me where on the web it says I was you know what--I can't find it anywhere and if I do I will soon put them straight.

tata damiana

Still going on about "his holiness" and "the holy man himself" are you, Barbara? You are really obsessed with him, aren't you?

Since when has Cal-whatever-his-name-is been one of his "followers"? Cal is just a member of this forum who posted rebuttals to the spiteful nonsense posted by people like you. That does not make him anyone's follower. Are you a "follower" of the antagonist in all this? Anyway, Cal has gone elsewhere after offering his balancing commentary. He might even be banned. How would I know? I am nothing to do Cal-whatever-his-name-is.

Calling me a "ladyboy" is against forum rules and could lead to you being suspended, Barbara. The difference is I don't run off complaining to other people. I still find the description insulting and offensive, which is exactly what you intended. Giving insult and offence is your stock-in-trade. You've been doing it for years!

I did not mean you were a ladyboy Venater, I dont know why you thought that!

Otherwise, what-ho---there is a list and you are on it,you all run after each other, knowing all the stuff from the thread to needle even though his holiness is blissfully unaware of your wonderful efforts on his behalf!

tata damian

FOR VENATOR

"Since when has Cal-whatever-his-name-is been one of his "followers"? Cal is just a member of this forum who posted rebuttals to the spiteful nonsense posted by people like you".

Not so 'Venator'.

The majority of people here do not go around making personal insults to the other members. There are only TWO people doing this. One is Hoggy (who has already been warned about this) the OTHERS are yourself (note, I put an 's' on "others") inventing different aliases and then hiding behind these to make absusive insults about people.
I never said Hoggy was 'in league' with you. I know he is not. What I told him was that alias being used was really yourself. He just didn't seem to have the intelligence to see this, and, as usual, that just something else he's got completely back to front.

I don't know. Human ignorance and stupidity never cease to amase me sometimes! No wonder they used to persecute witches . . . in fact they still do!

David Farrant

It is obvious David--these Legion of followers, from Exorstate onwards, continue to defend his nibs with all the details from the thread to the needle, one follows the other, and his nobs supposedly knows nothing of it!!!!!!!!!!! I dont think so, they would soon be in big trouble, if they were real, for getting some detail wrong!

I AM STILL WAITING TO HEAR WHERE on the web I was you know what, if people wont reveal their sources they cant expect to be believed,

tata damiana