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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2009 10:28 pm 
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Ben's very ok, shake his hand and feel "a good man".

He's not at all to be considered aligned to the "conservative nutcase" types that have reduced political discourse here to a bully filled playground.

The word on K Street is that he's upset and gone very quiet lately over what's happened to his GOP.

Case in point, at the last Republican National Convention he soon dashed outside to a sidewalk camera and freaked with remarks like "I feel like I'm in an insane asylum!" :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2009 10:59 pm 
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He's a good comedian and I really found no faults with his "presence", unlike his hobnobbing compatriots at the soiree, but yes, much of the intellectualism aside from his being a "walking encyclopedia" does indeed inhale vigorously. At least, his refusal to jump into this new rabid reactionary "patriotism" is admirable.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 26 Nov 2009 11:40 pm 
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duh, Roger, can ya run that one by me again, but like really slow so I catch yer drift, dude. A mortal sin can condemn ya to hell, and that ain't EVIL personified?, then what does goin' to hell mean to ya?

How much more 'evíl' is required?, like have satan appear in full fiery furnace regalia and personally hold yer hand as ya sink down to the depths of hell? Roger, methinks ya be's nippin' on LSD laced absinthe, lad, ya gotta watch them hi-octane chasers, they have a devilish kick to them, hehehe

Have ya been influenced by demon rum on all of yer Caribbean cruises?

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 28 Nov 2009 10:45 pm 
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I've personally encountered evil a number of times, however it was always 'evil incarnate' that is incarnate in the form of a person or group of people.

History provides us with many examples of evil, among the notorious, Caligula, Hitler, Pol Pot etc. Fortunately we don't have to meet them to recognise their evil or feel its force.

IMNSHO evil is within us. If we take it on good authority that the kingdom of God is within you, then I think we must accept that the kingdom of the devil is there too.

I know that we could argue infinitely the semantics of what 'the kingdom of God is within you' means, however I'd like to follow through on Roger's (apparent) opinion that there is a separate independent entity of Evil, presumably outside of humankind.

The idea of an independent external evil raises several interesting questions for me.

1) Is this entity of Evil the same as one or all of Satan, Lucifer and the Devil?
2) Is this entity capable of acting totally independantly, ie other than through a human agency?
3) Can this entity be consciously invoked by a person (as in black magic etc.)?
4) Is there one entity of evil or several/many?
5) If there are several/many, are they a hierachy, working in concert or independantly of each other?
6) What is the origin of this entity or entities?

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 Post subject: Dr Michael Persinger
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2009 12:49 am 
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Dr. Persinger focuses much of his work on the commonalities that exist between the sciences, and aims to integrate fundamental concepts of various branches of science[citation needed]. He organized the Behavioral Neuroscience Program at Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, which became one of the first to integrate chemistry, biology and psychology[citation needed].

During the 1980s Dr. Persinger stimulated people's temporal lobes artificially with a weak magnetic field to see if he could induce a religious state (see God helmet). He claimed that the field could produce the sensation of "an ethereal presence in the room".

Susan Blackmore, a former academic psychologist and parapsychology researcher: "When I went to Persinger's lab and underwent his procedures I had the most extraordinary experiences I've ever had." "I'll be surprised if it turns out to be a placebo effect." [1]

Michael Persinger has also contributed to research into the Miracle of the sun at Fatima and other Marian apparitions. He theorized that the stimulation of the cerebral-temporal lobe may have been the actual cause of the Marian apparition phenomenon. He believes the religious content of the experiences many have been a result of their obsession with religious themes and their lack of education. He has contributed to 2 papers about The Miracle of the Sun. [2]


The God Helmet

A report of an experiment on Richard Dawkins in 2003 said:

The experiment is based on the recent finding that some patients with temporal lobe epilepsy, a neurological disorder caused by chaotic electrical discharges in the temporal lobes of the brain, seem to experience devout hallucinations that bear a striking resemblance to the mystical experiences of holy figures such as St Paul and Moses. Such associations have been noted by researchers for over a century, including Dr. Wilder Penfield's work, published in the 1950s.
Dawkins was reported not to have experienced a religious feeling. The report said:

Dr Persinger explained his lack of effects. Before donning the helmet, Prof Dawkins had scored low on a psychological scale measuring temporal lobe sensitivity.


This is where your evil feeling came from.

I feel an ad Hominum attack on Dr Persinger coming on and a singlular failure to address the experiment he conducted at all. This will in the minds of some constitute the only reasoned argument they think they are able to give.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2009 11:07 am 
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Not at all..... i've read about that theory & find it very interesting.

Even more interesting is taking Dimethyltryptamine and meeting the "machine elves" that seem to be the same entities as the "greys" or taking Ayahuasca and meeting the Vine Serpent variant. Our DNA is somehow awakened and there are centres in our (so called) brain that tunes us in to the right wavelength to be able to perceive these entities..who are out there just opperating in a different dimension.

....." We recycle souls" seems to be their modus operandi.


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2009 3:37 am 
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This is where your evil feeling came from.


Those were great studies that received broad press acclaim.

The Beverly Hillbillies in their ignorance thought the newsman was living inside their TV behind the glass screen. A bit like Soviet soldiers returning home with German light bulbs expecting them to work in rural Siberia without an electrical grid.

Transmission lines and reception devices, 2 basics of electrical engineering, do not create energy or impart it's flow and only transfer it or collect it for processing.
God's helmet doesn't address the rest of the looped circuitry.

The helmet is only stimulating a complex receiving end of a further complex system and those particularly very mysterious areas of the brain are not considered some useless vestigial appendix like a coccyx.

If we can reverse that process, why, just think...we just may all get our own Bishops hats covering our helmets in the near future.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2009 6:50 am 
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Sheila wrote:
Not at all..... i've read about that theory & find it very interesting.

Even more interesting is taking Dimethyltryptamine and meeting the "machine elves" that seem to be the same entities as the "greys" or taking Ayahuasca and meeting the Vine Serpent variant. Our DNA is somehow awakened and there are centres in our (so called) brain that tunes us in to the right wavelength to be able to perceive these entities..who are out there just opperating in a different dimension.

....." We recycle souls" seems to be their modus operandi.


A scrambled memory of our own birth. The instant we are born our central nervous system particularly with respect to our eyesight is not fully developed. This traumatic experience shared by every human being without exception is sometimes engrained on a brain that couldn't understand the information it was getting and therefore puts it's own interpretation on it. The eyes didn't see colour at birth hence the grey colour and one memory would be the eyes of the midwife peering over you. Hence the big eyes. Sometimes this memory will reappear in our dreams somewhat modified with life experience.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2009 7:14 am 
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Evil is the total absence of Good in any form whatsoever. It's a dark hole.


doesn't that give Evil
power and there are no degrees of evil
You need to read Dante
Roger

he shows you that evil has degrees
if that is the case is there no redemption, no forgiveness, no atonement?


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when he tells Voldemort
"I feel sorry for you"

and Voldemort releases him

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2009 12:09 pm 
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love the line in Harry Potter
when he tells Voldemort
"I feel sorry for you"

and Voldemort releases him


He was released because he had no fear.

Does evil exsist without fear?

Or is evil the thing that feeds off our fears?

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Now that Serendipity
is truly
a very great point

Saint Anthony learned when confronted with the dark
to laugh at it

and poof it disappeared

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 30 Nov 2009 7:31 pm 
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Over coming fear is the first step towards a successful battle or at least the conversion and redirection of it into an unbending intent to come to an equal stance with the opponent.
Otherwise is failure and defeat.
Common tactics.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Roger
tell us your experience of evil

8)
You started the thread :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
PostPosted: 02 Dec 2009 12:19 am 
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Well Roger already said this...It seems to me that, in view of the responses, most people visiting this board have never actually encountered true Evil. Had they experienced it, they could not mistake it for anything else.

It's so overwhelming that one can immediately feel that it isn't "of this world" although it is "in this world". May you never encounter it and carry on with blissful rationalizations about "the evil that men and women do".

I take this to mean he turns a blind eye to all the corruption goin' on, be it economic cronyism, sordid politics, mafia style extortion at all levels within any bureaucracy, the laid back attitude of police to tolerate increases of crime by allowing even more crimes to be perp'd on their watch. I posted what Merry D cited 'boot police dithered for 20 years while a pedophile priest was left unhindered, now why would the police tolerate that?

I witness evil everyday by readin' the litany of pensioners gettin' brutally mugged by druggies here. The police in EU have the worst arrest record when it comes to person on person crime. They make headlines when they catch smugglers here. The % of un-solved rapes + murders is an indication of just how rampant his notion of evil has inculcated the EU. A Swede troopie who survived a roadside bomb, lying in a hospital here after being bolted back together, complained it took the U.S army to come nearly 1/2 way across Afghan turf to rescue him, 'cuz the rest of the EU contingent was hunkered down, Instead of thankin' the U.S army for rescuin' his totally worthless butt. these scumbags have the chutzpah to complain. His own govt sent him off with substandard equipt, no body armor, no helicopter support, etc.

The govt here blamed the U.S for not providin' all the requisite equipt, IMHO, why have a EU at all if it expects the U.S to pay all bills? The EU truly lives up to the description Daniel gave it as the King with feet of clay. This is extremely evil 'cuz the EU is taxin' folk out of existence with ever dwindlin' support, especially in the medical arena. The homeless are ignored, the unemployed are shuffled off to welfare soup kitchens, I see this shit goin' on in supposededly the epitome of what a so-called socialist country can provide, yeah sure, the check's in the mail.

I beg to differ. All of the vicious evil lyin' on the part of politicians is just that. Its the same evil that infects every country, and if ya think the voters get a chance to select an honest candidate it makes me wonder what yer smokin'. Evil reigns supreme everywhere. The only place ya escape it all on the planet is when yer dead + buried, 'cuz a different situation faces ya and there is no legal remedies for gettin' out of hell.

Out of the fryin' pan and in to the fire, man, as Peggy Lee once swooned in her song 'Fever',.. what a lovely way to burn, be it farenheit or centigrade...

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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As Roger said...It seems to me that, in view of the responses, most people visiting this board have never actually encountered true Evil. Had they experienced it, they could not mistake it for anything else.

It's so overwhelming that one can immediately feel that it isn't "of this world" although it is "in this world". May you never encounter it and carry on with blissful rationalizations about "the evil that men and women do"...

I have met folks who do abortions as part of their daily work routine and they stone cold folk, down to the core. To them a fetus he suctioned out was just an unwanted parasite. The other side of this evil coin is the rising numbers of women who have a 2nd abortion in the same year. I posted a UK news release in another topic mentioning this very same evil.

That was a blessing that was God given for that fetus to become a viable human being. It was infused with a soul at the moment of inception. If ya notice , in vitro experiments can keep a sperm + egg growin' for a short time but after the inate energy inherent within those cells is dissipated that experiment is over.

Women who are inseminated by gametes transferred in a petrie dish, then transferred into her uterus has to be done in a matter of minutes if continued viability can progress. There is no guarantee this infused zygote will attain actual life status unless God wills a soul into that cell mass.

The atrocious + growin' numbers of abortions is the greatest evil on the planet today. All of these murdered fetus' are no different than executin' folk at random on a city street. The number of abortions definitely exceeds the so-called death rate in those places where abortions are performed today. It was, once upon a time, called a D+C in the hospital cash + carry trade. The D + C was an in-house joke of dustin' + cleanin' of a uterus, gotta keep it spiffy ya know.

The actual terminology of Dilatation + Curettage was to abrupt and reeked of destruction, which it was. A cervix is forcibly pried open with brute force, a scoping-scraping curette was inserted, revolved inside the uterine cavity and the entire contents of the uterus were suctioned out. The biggest risk was uncontrollable bleeds. There was no way of knowin' ahead of time which patient was susceptible.

When ya read of ditzy dingbats who obviously never heard of a spiral uterine loop, BC pills, condoms and go ahead with a 2nd abortion within a year tells me they had the wrong cavity suctioned out, it seems their brains got dragged out in the bargain.

Entrapment and forcing women into slavery prostitution is as evil as abortion and this menace is growing as well. I truly puzzles me what it takes for something to meet Roger's criteria of evil. Isn't the blending of rat poison into heroin to get rid of doper's who renege on payin' for their latest fix, evil? isn't it evil to entice sheeple into becomin' addicts also evil? Where do ya draw the line?

When pilots drop bombs they use the expression of placing ordnance to coordinates. They manage to make the dis-connect their payload was Dresden or some other atrocity, yep, just followin' routine orders. Isn't it evil to make 6 billion hostage to the ultimate outrage of penalizin' everybody 'cuz they exhale CO2 + fart out methane? These are normal bio processes, yet the Copenhagen krew decided to play God with folks' life and use it as a reason to tax them out of existence?

Methinks Roger has been mislead by his gallic ancestrial brainwashin' that evil only happens to somebody else. The aristocracy have his notion of Divine Right to rule somehow automagically makes them immune from the consequences of the evil they perp.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Methinks Roger has been mislead by his gallic ancestrial brainwashin' that evil only happens to somebody else. The aristocracy have his notion of Divine Right to rule somehow automagically makes them immune from the consequences of the evil they perp.


On a personal note Roger must have sensed the consequences if he didn't help me.
So what would the consequences have been if he didn't help me?
Privately I would have spent probably years holding on these ideas trying to prove negatives.
A true leader doesn't just ignore the small. I doubt very much Roger doesn't understand the consequences big or small.
He doesn't get a cheque for this, not that I know of.
Did I thank him. No. But I will now. Thank-you Roger, and for the other things I've noticed but will not go into . :D :wink:

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From the looks of it Lincoln was most insulted by the dismissive nature in which Blunt treated him.
Basically closed him off immediately.

Unfortunately, this is to be expected from people who are either familiar with Poussin's life and work, or with the history of Les Pontils, or both. This seems to drive the hard-core believers into a frenzy of frustration. And I suppose that's to be expected as well.


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Could you be confusing things, inasmuch as Geraud de Sede had a failed pig farming business, which he alleged was the reason for his meeting his "Gisors guide"?

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Evil is as evil does. It is the evil actions of people that we should condemn and try to prevent.


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Sancte Michael Archangele,
defende nos in proelio;
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium.
Imperet illi Deus, supplices deprecamur:
tuque, Princeps militiae Caelestis,
satanam aliosque spiritus malignos,
qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo,
divina virtute in infernum detrude.
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"VAMPIRE" PICTURE: Exorcism Skull Found in Italy...

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S_tan is "the Accuser", he is an entity.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Whoah Sheila :shock:

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So Roger, did you know the late Syd Barrett?
You weren`t kidding about the rock and roll!

About the USA and guns, down here on the border
it is shoot-out city just a few miles away.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Evil
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Since I don´t believe in God(the supposed good entity),I don´t believe in an evil entity.
We are perfectly capable of doing both good and evil without any entity having to do with it,IMHO :) ,our minds are complex enough.I suppose that is the reason evil is so hard to get rid of.


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Tezcatlipoca of the Aztecs - opponent of Quetzalcoatl.

His foot is an obsidian scrying mirror which he is instead holding in this drawing.

The dances depicting the fight between these two forces of good and evil are

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