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First coincidence - The Comtesse de Chambord donated 4,000 gold francs to Louis Coma and later, 3000 gold francs to Abbé Bérenger Saunière that will allow them BOTH to begin their early work.

Second coincidence - The strange church of Rennes and the Abbey Carol are BOTH dedicated to Saint Mary
Madeleine

We often hear in the media Saunièrisants, that among the thousands of French villages, and within
population of their parish priests, such a "case" has occurred at Rennes-le-Chateau and with the
Only Berenger Sauniere. This is totally wrong. A detailed study remains to be done on the subject, but we
would set an example of a case alternative to Rennes.

The place: the common Baulou near Pamiers, in the Ariege. A region close to the Razes, any
also rich in history and we are still Cathar land, near the pog at Montsegur ....
The time: the second part of the nineteenth century and early twentieth, as in our case.
The "hero": a priest, Father Louis de Coma (1822-1911).

The facts: a substantial enrichment, amid donations (we find the Countess of Chambord) and
trafficking in masses ..., sumptuous buildings, including the magnificent monastery of Carol who wanted
compete with projects in Lourdes made ​​a discreet cult to Mary Magdalene in a crypt
"Intimate" serious confrontations with the religious authorities .... Note that this monastery the rest will
destroyed in 1956 at the request of the Bishop ...

Surprising? What is most surprising is that this case is now completely forgotten while
could lend itself to the construction of another myth, parallel to that which holds us back today.

Extract from the Library of Berenger
The case known as RLC is it unique? Certainly not, but Gerard de Sede could be
everywhere to tell great stories every time a priest indulged in some quirks!
Too bad, because there are material.

Remain in the same region (Baulou in Ariège), at the same time, and discover the RP with the Coma
Monastery dynamited, editions of the Trowel, Pouech, 09200 Moulis (1995)
Mysterious sources of funding, donations from the Countess of Chambord, a fervent cult visited
Mary Magdalene in caves dug for this purpose, building Pharaohs, including the Carol monastery ... Then a conflict with the Church, a miserable death, and last but not least, the destruction
Bombings on the orders of the bishop of the work of the Father (1956) ... It does remind you of anything? And if I
adds that Alfred Saunière is suspected of having relations with Coma! There is no shortage of that
mysterious manuscripts, but when looking around ...
In short, a matter that awaits his "novelist".

© quotes:
"Father Coma took advantage of Saunière's treasure to build his monastery ...
... When the P. Coma was going to Perpignan visit his family, he passed through Rennes-le-Chateau, where he
involved in deciphering the parchments of Saunière ... "

We are here, in the presence of the legend most prevalent in people's minds and even
ecclesiastical. The aim of our work is not to make a 251 th book on the subject that is inexhaustible
Rennes-le-Chateau, our study will show enthusiasts, inaccuracies systematically and repeatedly
disturbing similarities.

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1852 - April 11, Bérenger Saunière was born in Montazels (Aude). At that time, Father Coma is a father
Jesuit 30 years, French teacher in Nantes ...
1855 - born February 17 Alfred Saunière, Bérenger's brother.
1879 - As the P Coma left the Jesuits to devote himself entirely to his work - the
Carol constructs are nearing completion - was ordained priest Berenger Sauniere. His brother Alfred,
ordered a year earlier, joined the Jesuits as a teacher but is not part of the
Society of Jesus (the records are formal), then professor at the Petit Séminaire de Narbonne, excommunicated
in 1904. Died September 9, 1905.
1885 - The Carol is completed, the fathers of the Holy Spirit are the new owners of the work of
Gethsemane, Saunière was appointed parish priest of Rennes-le-Chateau.
1886 - Departure of the fathers of the Holy Spirit.
1887 - Saunière discovered parchments and a stash in his church.
1890 - Louis de Coma was named pastor Baulou, he is 68 years old.
1898 - Saunière undertook major work on his property.
1903 - The P Lambert is the owner of Carol and pay for the work of the house above the farm,
he borrows the Séquanaise.
It seems very unlikely that Saunière supported the monastery of the Father of Coma, completed 15 years.
However, it is not impossible that Sauniere brothers were inspired by the work of the father of Coma
for perhaps less Catholic.
It should be noted a strange resemblance:
- The churches Baulou and Rennes-le-Château is dedicated to Saint Madeleine.
- Both priests have a passion for construction and artificial caves.
- They receive donations from the Countess of Chambord: en 4000. in respect of Coma and 3000
to Saunière.
- Father of Coma, on some occasions, blazed the way of the Cross with sparklers;
idea taken up by his caddy Saunière.
- What about the similarity of Gethsemane (Mount of Olives) the Father of Coma and Bethany
(A village near the Mount of Olives) of Saunière?
- Saunière was absent from his parish regularly ... Father de Coma was leaving, sometimes as far as Spain,
for several months, then returned and resumed the yard ...
For the first, his movements remain mysterious.
As the Father of Coma, he absented himself to preach "The Good Death", and collect donations. Its
Travel in Spain can be explained: meet Father Blanchard, his Jesuit Provincial in exile, which
he asked council. The grandfather of Coma had retired to Gerona, to escape the Republic, Louis
visiting family. Later, he went to Port-Bou to kiss her niece Therese, sister
Benedictine, he loved.
- Labouche Lafranchise and had edited the postcards that Carol sent by the Father Louis
seeking donations, Saunière took the same idea at the author.

- The Masses! Obviously, the main resources of a Work. Father de Coma had to strive to
promised to say masses. He will blame the fathers of the Holy Spirit does not have priests
enough to tell the masses. He will be obliged to delegate these tasks priestly
which will result in additional expenses. If Father de Coma had been suspected of simony, M.
Larue vicar general litigation with Father Lambert, would not have failed to mention it.

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First coincidence - The Comtesse de Chambord donated 4,000 gold francs to Louis Coma and later, 3000 gold francs to Abbé Bérenger Saunière that will allow them BOTH to begin their early work.

Second coincidence - The strange church of Rennes and the Abbey Carol are BOTH dedicated to Saint Mary
Madeleine

Now be fair Roscoe (is that an oxymoron?), a number of members (some quite recently) have expressed opinions along the lines that BS was not a sole player in nefarious activities at that time in France, especially in the Aude.

There was no Saint called Saint Denis this is a corruption of the Celtic word DINAS which is a Hill fort. Montmartre was such a hill fort. The story of Saint Denis came from the Golden Legend (from the Historia Francorum) so if you believe that then you must also believe that Mary Magdalene landed at Saintes Maries de la Mer and Saint George killing a dragon which are also from the same publication. It was compiled about the same time as the Grail legends began to emerge. Why would you believe the Golden Legend and not the Grail Legends?

C'est archi-faux. La legende de St Denis provient d'un missionnaire envoye de Rome avec 2 camarades pour evangeliser l'Ile de France. Il s'appelait Dionysos, et ce sont la les seuls faits connus. La legende a ete elaboree au fil des siecles, mais elle date de bien avant "La Legende Doree".

Pourquoi raconter tant de betises, alors que les gens peuvent si facilement verifier que ce sont des betises?

Mon pauvre ami, j'ai tres bien saisi le sens de votre intervention. Malheureusement pour vous, il y a plein de gens qui connaissent mieux cette legende que vous, en commencant par Sainte Genevieve.

D'autre part, malgre vos comparaisons faciles entre Monsieur de Coma et Monsieur Sauniere, il y a des differences tres notables entre les deux clercs et leurs modus operandum. Je ne vais pas vous faire la lecon la dessus, car je suppose que vous le savez bien, et que vous passez cela sous silence pour promouvoir vos singulieres theories.

Mon pauvre ami, j'ai tres bien saisi le sens de votre intervention. Malheureusement pour vous, il y a plein de gens qui connaissent mieux cette legende que vous, en commencant par Sainte Genevieve.

D'autre part, malgre vos comparaisons faciles entre Monsieur de Coma et Monsieur Sauniere, il y a des differences tres notables entre les deux clercs et leurs modus operandum. Je ne vais pas vous faire la lecon la dessus, car je suppose que vous le savez bien, et que vous passez cela sous silence pour promouvoir vos singulieres theories.

differences?

Na dann sind wir doch mal gespannt, wo Sie diese ach so grosse Differenz zu erkennen vermoegen respektive vermuten.

Desole, je refuse de lire, parler ou ecouter l'Allemand. Par principe.

Oui. Enormes differences. Faites donc des recherches, au lieu d'ecouter Monsieur Roscoe qui interprete tout a sa maniere.

En fait, et vous en etes sans doute conscient, votre photo illustre une des differences importantes.
Pourquoi ne pas etre de bonne foi, pour changer un peu?

Well let us start with de Coma receiving more money from the Countess of Chambord than Sauniere.

How do the wishful thinkers deal with that one?

Relevance to the legend?
Abbe de Coma received a donation from the Countess of Chambord, as would Abbe Saunière, several decades later. Like Saunière, de Coma used the donation to initiate elaborate building projects and restorations, often in homage to Mary Magdalene. He called his estate Carol. De Coma's building works represented an attempt to recreate the biblical "Gethsemane", or garden of the Mount of Olives where the biblical Passion of Christ took place. He even imported trees and plants indigenous to Palestine. Ironically, Carol is not far from Perillos, a village that has produced considerable controversy in recent years as a result of the claim that it in fact is the real Gethsemane; complete with the tomb of Jesus Christ.

One cult?

The bishop of Pamiers was obviously afraid that a cult would settle in De Coma’s estate. It occurred at a time when the estate of Saunière became the focus of a series of articles and the mystery of the village priest began to generate first local, than national and eventually global interest.
The concerns of the bishop seem highly prophetic and in retrospect well-founded, for according to hotelier Jean-Luc Robin, in 2000, members of the Order of the Solar Temple tried to purchase Saunière’s Villa Bethania. The cult had become world-headline news themselves in 1994, when a series of collective suicides of certain of their members occurred in Canada, Switzerland and France.

Is it a coincidence that in 1952, the Sovereign Order of the Solar Temple, the predecessor of the Order of the Solar Temple, was created? Is it a coincidence that one of the principle investigators of the Rennes-le-Château mystery, Jean-Luc Chaumeil, became an expert for the judge tasked with the investigation of the cult’s suicide in France?

Remarkably, one aspect neither the Swiss, Canadian or French enquiry ever addressed was the alleged transfer of 600 million dollar to Australian bank accounts, shortly before the collective suicide of some members of this cult. Members of the investigative teams have tried to claim that in truth, it was only 6 million dollar, but they have been unable to back up this statement. But several commentators, including the French journalist Maurice Fusier, have convincingly argued that this cannot be the case… and even for such a “smaller amount”, the investigators should have carried out the required.

In his manuscript on the investigation into the Order of the Solar Temple, Chaumeil calls such “cults” and their wealthy supporters the “Financiers of the Grail”. Indeed, the question needs to be asked whether it is not so much the quest for the Holy Grail, but perhaps the sale or acquisition of the Grail. Or perhaps it is not so much the acquisition of the Grail itself that these people are hoping for, but instead buying certain knowledge, such as the location of where the Grail is. If that is the case, then all of sudden, we have a logical framework in which Saunière’s model, which has the name of Joseph of Arimathea, a figure popularly identified with the Holy Grail, written on it. 600 million dollars equals roughly 300 million Euros. Compared to Saunière’s expectation to receive at least 120 million Euros, it is clear that we are talking about the same league of money…

"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.

Gethsemane is a Druidic SACRED GROVE