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Yes, but why is it a temptation for Antony, when they come to him in that form ? Asking him for help ?

@ jlockest :

Have a look on the altar. The liquid(red lines), looking like sunlight, is flowing out of the "egg", outside the bottle, down to the altar, along at his surface down to the ground which looks like a staircase to a crypt.

The books are placed at the beginning of the stairs and Antony's walking stick is blocking the way down to the crypt.

This could mean, that you must have the secret knowledge about the brown and the blue book, to get access to the crypt.
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It crept into the crypt, crapped and crept out again.

The ladies in question have come for a glass of the water, she is being led to saint Antoine, her beloved holds a peackock under his arm...the sign for immortality and renewal...the elderly woman with the white headgear seems to be an assistant.

i love the fact that even the pig gets rejuvenated eventually...

it's the liquid in the glass that is important....the elixir of life.

they come from far and wide with glass in hand....to drink from the jug.... the jug that is prominent and centre stage in all of the myriad versions of these tableaux.

You have noticed the ladies feet and tails...they need rejuvenated quickly.

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very funny whoop

Where I liv, we say : a blind chicken will also find a corn.

Yes, it crept out again.

It's flowing into the ground into the nature water and then returns in that source in the right down corner, where the drinkwater has been taken from.

Al things, which have contact with that liquid have a "shine". The bottle, the skull, the sandglas, the water in the source, the pitcher and cup in the foreground.
And the frog and fishes have that shine in their eyes, because they live in the nature water, which is mixed with the liquid.

Yes the water of life. The natural arcadian water ?

No it is not natural. It is manipulated by that chicken/egg/or testicle

Are they dying, or being turned into demons( or whatever those critters are). I`ll follow up after you give your opinion.

i assume they are not of this dimension...so 'dead' might be the right word...i don't see any demons perse just the teeming invisible hordes of the invisible kintergarden/unseen university/the great unwashed that co'exist in our time.
I see no malice, just a kind of hopeful party atmosphere as the candidates arrive at the station that Antoine guards and ask to be renewed.

but hey! that's just me...i'm no art critic.

Sorry Sheila I should have been more specific, I was actually referring to the lady with the man at her side when I asked if you thought she was dying or being transformed into another of the horde of critters. It seems to me she is going through a transformation of sorts, starting with her feet, as we can see. If that could be a reasonable guess, then we`re left with why is this happening to her. What has she done, why does she need to see Anthony and drink the waters. Is she sickly and dying, could she have sinned something terrible. You mention a renewal, from what though? On a side note, why is it always a woman who comes for the drink?

They are only allegories of mankind and Tenier painted their characters.

She is a man hunter. And she set "horns" on the head of her husband. Thats why he took her to Antony. Begging for help.

That's the way how it works :

Antony inject the liquid into the water.
The people are drinking the contaminated natural water and become sinners.
Then they go to Antony and ask for help and become members of the church.

The decoded parchment given by Plantard et al says

Shepherdess NO TEMPTATION

The Teniers painting in question is one where St Anthony is NOT being tempted by the devil

This one




I really really wish that some of you people would stop altering FACTS to suit their theory.

It makes me angry that someone who by their own admission is only half informed on any of this and yet has the temerity to dare to dictate to me.

Sorry roscoe, but this is not the whole truth.

No temptation must not be the visit of Paulus.

Teniers painted a lot of other pics including " no temptation " and " no Antonius ".
You mentioned that it must be an Antonius painting, but the parchment did not say that. It said : No temptation ! And this could mean : no Antonius!

Check your theorys !

It coulkd mean

NO TEMPTATION

Because that's what the decoded message (from the members of the Prieure de Sion) bloody well says.



The devil is in the wooden shed, turned into a pig. Check the St Anthony + Ravens story

sheila,

here is another version.

but the "chick" is not on the altar bottle. It is on the right side by the natural water supply.

in the blow up, you can see that it could be a cock without a tail. (a strange one)
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Roscoe,

you are a very intelligent man. (I hope so)

Think logical !!

No temptation could mean : No painting of the Antonius row

The shepherds could be according to Poussin.

But there are also a lot of Tenier-paintings without Antonius and WITH shepherds.

And roscoe :

Okay, at the visit of Paulus are shepherds.

But no shepherdess !!!!!!!!!!!

Think twice.

A shepherdess is painted by Poussin (vers 1 + 2)

But there is a shepherd with his sheep on the Teniers painting where St Anthony is NOT being tempted.



Look to the right in the distance at the foot of the mountain that contains the ruined abbey.

The ruined Abbey is SION by the way.

Yes indeed, but Tenier painted more pictures with shepherds but without Antony and without temptation.

Check the work of David Tenier and come back.

The parchement does not say that it must be a painting with Antony.

Temptation is a synonym for St. Antony : No temptation = no Antony

I presume that you know that BOTH paintings mentioned by the PLANTARD DECODED MESSAGE (Les Bergere d'Arcadie and St Anthony fed by Ravens and NOT being tempted) can be found at Shugborough. Plus a code that has yet to be deciphered. But an interesting attempt at solving it results in this:



The letters are turned into numbers which become a Latttude Longitude position which just happens to be close to

ARCADIA





Coded message underneath a frieze which shows

The Shepherds of Arcadia.

It is on a stately home that once was the residence of a man who became famous for his NAVIGATION skills.

The Teniers painting (St Anthony NOT being tempted) is also at this stately home. But it has an interesting title.

Oh, if it is in Shugborough that means certainly that they are right ?

Indeed are secret informations in the Paulus painting. But they are not enough to find the real place.

Never forget that the ONLY reason we are discussing these paintings with reference to Rennes le Chateau is because we were directed to them by the Dossier Secrets placed in the Bibliotheque National in 1965 by members of the Prieure de Sion.

By a person with the psuedonym of Madelaine Blancassal.

Blancassal is clearly a reference to the two rivers (the Blanc and the Sal) that join just south of Rennes les Bains.

This was placed in the Bibliotheque National two years before de Cherisey placed the code in CIRCUIT.

Any theories therefore MUST involve the Priory of Sion.

If the parchements are your starting point,
so its very important to read the message CORRECT.

Shepherdess, no temptation. Poussin and Tenier have the key.

That means :

Poussin - shepherdess = Et in arcadia ego and the shepherds of Arcadia

Tenier - no temptation = the visit of Paulus and "a second one..."

Think twice and have a look at Teniers paintings.

PS ( ) I don't like this secret societies, which are working in the darkness.

You haven't seen the co-ordinates nor do you know how to arrive at the them.

So how can you make a determination sight unseen? You've pre-empted the evidence.

What secret society are you talking about? And what does that have to do with what we're discussing here?

Nope

Teniers painted so many painting of St Anthony being tempted by the devil that it seems it was almost an obsession.

However there are two where St Anthony is NOT being tempted - Shepherdess NO TEMPTATION

This one


It also has a shepherd and sheep in the painting.

And this one



This last one was once owned by Herman Goering.

The devil is in the wooden shed in both paintings
Turned into a pig.

However here's an interesting engraving of St Anthony by Albrecht Dürer



It doesn't matter whether you like secret societies or not, your only reason for discussing Poussin with reference to Rennes le Chateai is entirely because of a secret society and any theories MUST involve them.