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Well Lov., as far as I know (in Oz at least), there is no law preventing a doctor from certifying the death of a known friend. However, one might be reluctant so to do....best to stay at arm's length as it were. Certainly our cremation certificates specifically ask if one has or knows of a pecuniary interest in the deceased's estate or death, and as to any familial or other relationship to the deceased.
As a matter of interest, does anyone have a pic of Sauniere's death certificate to post? (With translation attached).

Ok RS
get ready for the strangest death certificate ever seen

Heres the link
http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/certificate.html
Just a bit of trivia
Another fascinating number that occurs is the number eleven
it occurs three times

Sauniere died at eleven o clock
he was born on the eleventh day
and the death certificate is signed on at eleven o clock

if you add all them up its 33
for a freemason that is significant
and he has a stonemason on his death certificate

I guess another way of saying it is
time beginning and time ending

Yeah - strange but life can be a bit strange. I don't think he chose when to die or be born. They were just things out of his control.

Like in "City of Angels" no matter how hard Maggie tries to save her patient there were other forces at work.

I was told that Claire Corbu is a devout Catholic and probably did go to Catholic Schools
if this is not true then let me know

If Claire is a Catholic and Noel raised her Catholic and perhaps requested a scholarship for her for Catholic School
then Noel must have been Catholic or his wife?

I would think Captier is Catholic too especially his grandfather the Bellringer Captier

A Vision from Our Lady said "Bishops will fight Bishops Cardinals will fight Cardinals"
We see that demonstrated today with the Pope's Butler arrest

The date Sauniere died is on January 22 at eleven ...twenty two is 11+11 like the stairs going up the Tour Magdala
The Death certificate tells us the date of death and hour
It is the Mayor who writes the hour of death and he chose the time of death
Is it the exact time probably not ...it was rounded off
Now days the code team asks the doctor the time when it is called ...the death is more exact now days we give hour and minutes just like births
But who knows Sauniere might have died exactly at eleven but it is still the Mayor who chose the time to write on the death certificate
I hope I'm explaing this right if not I apologize Rain for it is hard to explain it typing it

I understand what you're saying - It's too many coincidences and too many using the story of Sauniere's death for it all to be just happenstance.

I understand what you're saying - It's too many coincidences and too many using the story of Sauniere's death for it all to be just happenstance.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying Rain
and we have so many different stories
A person asked me if that was a TYPICAL death certificate for the time
No it isn't I answer back
I went to historical death records from the 1800 to the 1900
what they say are more detailed
the person name the date of death ....the time is really not usually recorded but what is recorded is a note or cause of death
the reason be that if something like typhoid or murder or suicide or consumption or brain congestion....is recorded for public health reasons
this was their village priest who they knew for many years...they couldn't write how he died?
there is no cause of death on the certificate just the time of death eleven o clock and date which are both very special to the Tour Magdala where some say he collapsed on the Belevedere outside it

RS and I are just very puzzled at the no doctors name and the cause of death missing and the time of death eleven o clock

Two sets of eleven steps leading up to the terrace with a fountain in between to the Belvedere

The Tree of Life is made up out of ten spheres, with an 11th invisible sphere – Daath. 22 paths connect them.
22 is an important number within the framework of Rennes-le-Château, where it is traditionally seen as a “code” that refers to Mary Magdalene – whose feast day is July 22. However, if anything, Mary Magdalene would have been code for 22/7, an approximation of Pi… a sacred number linked with the gods

In Rennes-le-Château, the number 22 instead seems to be more logically linked with the Kabbalah: there are twenty-two steps – steps – in the Tour Magdala and twice eleven steps – steps – on the path that leads up to the Belvedere. In short, Saunière linked the number 22 with “ascending stairways” – climbing up the Tree of Life?

eleven spheres Daath in the Tree of Life
http://www.perillos.com/treelife_1.html

The Skull with 22 bones

You have a good point Lovuian,

Look at this - again I apologise because I don't understand the full breadth of what is being said because it's in French but I'll provide both quotes Eng/Fra

Also as to it's provenance - it implies - rather then states it's from
Charroux in "the elusive 1972 edition" of "Treasures of the World ..." published by Fayard.

http://www.insolite.asso.fr/rennes/RLC-015.htm

Dr. Paul Corrent also had other roles in the district - I forget what but he is mentioned in the Bulletin that has the Tisserye excursion.

There are connections besides he was just Sauniere's Doctor - it shows there is familiarity with the landscape, history and environment beyond the generalities.

Great point Rain
and Cirrhosis makes sense ...you go into a hepatic coma if your bloodlevels get high enough and it causes hepatic encephalopathy
the Ascites would make it hard for him to breath

this is the first one I saw cirrhosis but that would go with Richard's thoughts on too much good drinking
but in Sauniere's defense...the church required all priests to drink the left over wine at mass and not pour it down a drain

Oh good pick up
Yes I see Dr Courrant was interested in other things besides a doctor...he was into archeology and he has connection to Dagobert
wow and no wonder he didn't want to be on the death certificate

He didn't want a PAPER TRAIL to him but as a historian ....he would understand the need for a diagnosis for Sauniere's death
so many players in this game

And there are another 22 steps down from the orangery at the other end, balancing the 22 steps up the Tour Magdala, so the sequence along the belevedere is 22 + 11 + 11 + 22. All very harmonious.

Another quote from Jean Luc Robin's book that you might find interesting, lovuian.

Thanks Richard
Jean Luc was quite brilliant ...I noticed in the picture of the orangery the tower of brick that supports the tower of glass
I can see the two corners of the chess board and the rooks staring each other down
the death certificate
has the time of death eleven o clock and the time the certificate is signed and witnessed is eleven o clock
but then there is Sauniere's Birth date.... of April ....ELEVEN that makes the three Elevens
the other interesting number is seventeen for the Year he died....and that was the day he collapsed

what truly is interesting is the ages are put of the witnesses
fifty nine and forty five but the mayor does not feel the need to put his age down

the stonemason is age forty five
the compass of freemasonry has

Compasses are depicted as having a forty-five degree included angle between the tips

fifty nine
Fifty-nine is the 17th smallest prime number.
And with Him are the keys of the unseen treasures—none knows them but He; and He knows what is in the land and the sea, and there falls not a leaf but He knows it, nor a grain in the darkness of the earth, nor anything green nor dry but (it is all) in a clear book. (Al-An'am Surah, 59)



Now this is really a shot in the dark so bare with me
The number corresponding to the last minute in a given hour, and the last second in a given minute
fifty nine has to do with Stonehenge

Stonehenge Moon Calendar
The Stonehenge Moon calendar featured two rings of pits dug into the subsoil. Back-filled with white chalk lumps, thirty Z Holes formed the outer ring, twenty-nine Y Holes formed an inner ring.

A Moon month is 29½ days, 59 days in two months. From the centre, imaginary lines drawn between the trilithons form six segments equal to six weeks of five days, perhaps given the same day names as the Sun calendar. Alternate months had only four days in the fourth week. Six counts around fifty-nine Y and Z Holes equalled 354 days, a twelve-month Moon year.

http://www.knowth.com/stonehenge-sacred-symbolism.htm

Captier's occupation Gardener

The world's four major religions continue to employ thirty-three to imply or infer a sacred state or an ultimate heavenly situation.

there is something called a 59 Isochedron



[img][/http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Icosahedron_stellation_diagram_center.svg/200px-Icosahedron_stellation_diagram_center.svg.pngimg]

Richard when I was up on the roof of Rosslyn
I felt I was looking at a chess game
there was circular steeples like cones and then there were the pyramid square ones
it reminded me of Alice and Wonderland
the red king asleep with his TREFOIL scepter

Are we having fun yet

Here is a demonstration of them for those who did not see them

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12495774@N02/4868763143/

there is really and interplay between dark and light earth and fire
cycles
Spring equinox the time of 12 hours of light and 12 hours of dark
the time for planting the clover grows

the center of the trefoil is a circle too...the full moon
Passover and Easter are all based on the Vernal Equinox and the full moon

The first Full Moon following the Vernal Equinox marks the start of the religious festivals in Judaism and Christianity, with Passover taking place on the day of the Full Moon and Easter on the first Sunday following the Full Moon

the "Easter" Full Moon travels through the heavens with Spica, the brightest star of Virgo the Virgin.

Thanks Lov, been away. Pity we can't get our hands on a facsimilie of the original.

Well here is some more weird stuff RS
I have been told
That is the official death certificate that was published by Pierre Jarnac during the 1980s

The doctor's written declaration of death would be the document inaccessible until 2017

I have no idea why the doctors written declaration is off limits til 2017
In America we have access to records in the 1800's
I don't understand why France is different

That's correct Births, Deaths and Marriages are covered under the Acts of Legislation on Records, Freedom of information and Administration.
So even if you have the records public access would be restricted by the time period. For instance 50-100 years.

quote="lovuian"]

Well here is some more weird stuff RS
I have been told
That is the official death certificate that was published by Pierre Jarnac during the 1980s

The doctor's written declaration of death would be the document inaccessible until 2017

I have no idea why the doctors written declaration is off limits til 2017
In America we have access to records in the 1800's
I don't understand why France is different[/quote]

That's correct Births, Deaths and Marriages are covered under the Acts of Legislation on Records, Freedom of information and Administration.
So even if you have the records public access would be restricted by the time period. For instance 50-100 years
Well I guess we will have to wait till 2017 for the name of the Doctor and the diagnosis...what is five more years

Vital records in France aren't made public for a full century. Here in the U.S. the individual states determine when and how their vital records will be published. I know with the Federal Census it's 70 years from the conclusion of the report. The records of the 1940 U.S. Census were made publicly available earlier this year (so this would signify the results were reported in 1942).

TCP

I thought a load of birth/death/marriage certificates from Sauniere's time got "lost" from the Marie at RLC ?
Regards
Nic

You know Nic
the baptismal records were used by some families here in America ....I know the New Orleans Cathedral was used
and I believe
Most of the Acadian church records have been transcribed and published. Only one set of records has never before been published ... the church records of St. Jean the Evangelist of Port LaJoye, Ile St. Jean records. While the records go back to the 1720s, the 1750s are most important because of the great influx of Acadians escaping from the English.
This volume includes those records from 1749 to 1758
http://www.acadian-cajun.com/sjrec.htm
What I'm saying is the Church records were preserved
I find it amazing that the Acadians who were through a war expulsion and in the wilderness
would keep their church records and Rennes did not

what of Rennes Church records?

You know you're talking about two different countries, right?

TCP

Ya I know
my point TCP was what about Mary Magdalene Church records? at Rennes Chateau under the Abbe
baptism occurred confirmations etc... etc... they recorded in the Church records

Where are the records for the Church?

marriages....deaths

oh I think I may have found it
Captier and Corbus book
1985 book, L’Héritage de L’Abbé Saunière
http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/burialcrypt.html
They cited a reference found in the parish register to the death of Dame Anne Delsol, in 1705:

‘In the year one thousand seven hundred and five, on the thirtieth day of March, the death occurred, in the castle of Rennes, of Dame Anne Delsol, aged about 75 years, widow of Monsieur Marc Antoine Dupuy, of Pauligne, former treasurer of France and of the Généralité [treasury subdivision of old France] of Montpellier… she was interred on the thirty-first day of the said month, in the village church, in the Tomb of the Lords, which is next to the Baluster

there was a Parish Register
Who has the Parish Register? Corbu and Captier?
there seems to be a paper
http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/img/preg.jpg

Delsol family were Spanish from Catalonia
De Solis family had explorers and particiapted in the Great Migration
Antonio De Solis traveled to the Caribean in the 1500's and so did Martin who went to America in the 1500's
their sign was the sun ...solis

Dupuy had family estates in Languedoc and the family settled in Virginia and New York in the 1600 and 1700's
their motto The Lion and Tribe of Judah have conquered