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Joan of Arc and l'Arbre des Dames.
In her trial she was accused of communicating with Faeries.

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...and don't forget the "oil" of Gethsemane.

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"selon Chaumeil, Saunière à un fructueux négoce d'huile de Colza"

according to Chaumeil, Saunière was a "profitable Colza oil trader".

Oh really....


Il faut entre 3 et 4 kilos de graines pour faire un litre d'huile de colza ...et un Pressoir.

so.... (according to rapeseed monthly) to make a litre of rapeseed oil you need 3 to 4 kilos of seed...and a press to extract the oil.

....there's something else going on here dontcha think

There is a Pressoir at Rennes le Château at the original old church i believe......but in a bizarre Lovuian kind of way i find myself back at... Gethsémani (Gat-Shémanîm) = pressoir à huile ......“Gethsemane” which means “oil press”.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressoir_mystique

....and let's not forget Louis de Coma and his l’Oeuvre de Gethsemane ....Louis de Coma, the man who set the standard for priests behaving strangely.


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After finishing his studies de Coma became a religious teacher until his father died in 1855. He returned home to the family domain of Carol, close to Baulou in the French Ariège region.

He used the money he inherited to found ‘l’Oeuvre de Gethsemane (the works of Gethsemane), a foundation that received money for saying masses for the dead. His obsession with death also made him of the leader of the ‘Association de Bonne Mort’ (Association of the Good Death ). He became an expert in saying masses for the dead. He became even wealthier earning a franc for mentioning the name of the deceased during mass and 100 francs for a tailor-made mass with every possible decorum. He travelled the entire country doing so and made quite a name for himself.


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Louis va alors rejoindre le vaste domaine familial, à Baulou dans l’Ariège. Il dirige l’Association « La Bonne Mort », affiliée à la Compagnie de Jésus et dont l’objectif est d’aider les croyants à préparer leur mort. Association qui consiste à recevoir des dons, organiser des retraites payantes, des confessions... Il crée l’œuvre de Gethsemani dont le but est de recevoir des dons pour des messes en faveur des mourants (Une messe individuelle 100f, 1 messe commune 1 f). Déjà, nous constatons des similitudes avec Saunière.


so if we are going to be wandering down blind-alleys (and admit it, we do it a lot), i'd at least like to make the detour interesting :D


What kind of masses for the dead?

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Sheila wrote:
jésuite ones.


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Ready to anoint the one chosen to die.

Just like the Goddess

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the one chosen to die


exactly.

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the one chosen to die


exactly.

Mort épée.


They don't use a sword.

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Schiehallion ("the fairy hill of the Caledonians")

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In his work entitled Schiehallion, published in 1905, the Rev. John Sinclair, M.A., B.D., Parish Minister of Kinloch Rannoch, Perthshire, writes: "Schiehallion is distinguished as a widely known and very beautiful mountain. It was on its sides, in 1774, that Dr. Maskelyne, the Astronomer Royal, made those famous observations on the attraction of the Pendulum by a large but determinate mass of matter, which afforded the data from which the weight of the earth was approximately ascertained; and, accordingly, wherever there is an association of scientific men throughout the civilised world, the name of Schiehallion is familiarly known to them in this connection." The Rev. John Sinclair who, as the Earl of Caithness was the head of the Sinclair Templar family of Rosslyn Chapel fame, also writes: "I envy not the man who can climb Schiehallion without experiencing certain emotions of reverential awe, which raise the thoughts of the heart from earthly to heavenly things. I can truly say that in my climbings of the dear mountain, I invariably felt myself, as it were, in a sweet atmosphere of Bible imagery, thinking of Moses, Elijah, the Saviour, and others, when they climbed those sacred mountains in the east, and there held communion with the great Father of spirits....The poem entitled, 'The Second Sight: A Rannoch Mystery,' has got at least this one merit that it is an attempt to picture out a form of belief in the superhuman which has probably existed among the people of the district for many hundreds of years. In former times it was the males that were the seers of the Rannoch Israel; but in our day the Deborahs and the Huldahs have taken up the role of revealing the mysteries of the present, the distant, and the future."


The Reverend John Sinclair The Earl of Caithness (from the same family as the Sinclairs of Roslin) wrote extensively about Faerie Lore. The experiment to measure the mass of the earth was repeated in France on a mountain.

On the snow capped mountain shown here:

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The wife of the Earl of Caithness was part of the seance group headed by

Jules Dionel, Head of the Gnostic Church in Carcassonne and a contemporary of Saunière. Dionel ran the Library of which Boudet was a member.

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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
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Sheila wrote:
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the one chosen to die


exactly.

Mort épée.


Dead magpie... :lol:

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Sheila wrote:
No :D


Direct question warning>>>>>>>>>>>>

WHY?

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the "no" was directed at the dead magpie, not you.


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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
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Incidentally my next door neighbour, a former gamekeeper for a very large estate, used to take off his hat and say 'Good Morning Mister' every time he saw a Magpie. On one occasion he left some rat poison (Wolferin) out and a Magpie must have eaten some. He opened his door one morning and the Magpie was on his doorstep dying. The incident made him ill for some time.

“Augurs and understood relations have By maggot-pies and choughs and rooks brought forth The secret’st man of blood“ - Shakespeare - Macbeth.

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Roscoe wrote:
Incidentally my next door neighbour, a former gamekeeper for a very large estate, used to take off his hat and say 'Good Morning Mister' every time he saw a Magpie. On one occasion he left some rat poison (Wolferin) out and a Magpie must have eaten some. He opened his door one morning and the Magpie was on his doorstep dying. The incident made him ill for some time.


Well, rat poison will make one ill. That is why it is called poison... But at least the magpie recovered in the end! However, it does mean that this particular magpie was not a dead magpie and therefore of no relevance to this discussion.

Btw Roscoe, thank you so much for changing your mind and allowing the rest of us have this discussion...

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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Roscoe wrote:
Incidentally my next door neighbour, a former gamekeeper for a very large estate, used to take off his hat and say 'Good Morning Mister' every time he saw a Magpie. On one occasion he left some rat poison (Wolferin) out and a Magpie must have eaten some. He opened his door one morning and the Magpie was on his doorstep dying. The incident made him ill for some time.


Well, rat poison will make one ill. That is why it is called poison... But at least the magpie recovered in the end! However, it does mean that this particular magpie was not a dead magpie and therefore of no relevance to this discussion. It affected him psychologically, so much so that he had physical symptoms.



it has a lot of relevance to MY discussion. And I see that the point of my personal experience went right over your head. My neighbour didn't get ill from the Rat Poison he got ill because he'd killed a bird he regarded with deep superstition.

The point was that some people even today are steeped in superstition, particularly those who are COUNTRY DWELLERS. The Latin for COUNTRY DWELLER is PAGUS from which the word PAGAN comes from.

Oh and the word HEATHEN simply means a dweller of the Heathland.

And practitioners of the OCCULT are simply practitioners of the HIDDEN.

Of course it would be HIDDEN if the Holy Roman Church burns such practitioners alive.

The Magpie died by the way.

He hung it on a stick in his garden and it sprouted into a tree which is now about 30ft high.

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roscoe wrote:
Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Roscoe wrote:
Incidentally my next door neighbour, a former gamekeeper for a very large estate, used to take off his hat and say 'Good Morning Mister' every time he saw a Magpie. On one occasion he left some rat poison (Wolferin) out and a Magpie must have eaten some. He opened his door one morning and the Magpie was on his doorstep dying. The incident made him ill for some time.


Well, rat poison will make one ill. That is why it is called poison... But at least the magpie recovered in the end! However, it does mean that this particular magpie was not a dead magpie and therefore of no relevance to this discussion.



it has a lot of relevance to MY discussion. And I see that the point of my personal experience went right over your head.

The point was that some people even today are steeped in superstition, particularly those who are COUNTRY DWELLERS. The Latin for COUNTRY DWELLER is PAGUS from which the word PAGAN comes from.

Oh and the word HEATHEN simply means a dweller of the Heathland.


Yes, yes, yes, and none of it goes over my head. Because this is all-encompassing for you, Rosoce, you are projecting that onto everybody else. My guess is that almost no one really cares that much what you think, particularly as you simply haven't got the bollocks to say what it is you believe so strongly (although it would seem to be just another Lincoln cast-off). Do you ever have an original thought?

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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Well, rat poison will make one ill. That is why it is called poison... But at least the magpie recovered in the end! However, it does mean that this particular magpie was not a dead magpie and therefore of no relevance to this discussion.



it has a lot of relevance to MY discussion. And I see that the point of my personal experience went right over your head.

The point was that some people even today are steeped in superstition, particularly those who are COUNTRY DWELLERS. The Latin for COUNTRY DWELLER is PAGUS from which the word PAGAN comes from.

Oh and the word HEATHEN simply means a dweller of the Heathland.


Yes, yes, yes, and none of it goes over my head. Because this is all-encompassing for you, Rosoce, you are projecting that onto everybody else. My guess is that almost no one really cares that much what you think, particularly as you simply haven't got the bollocks to say what it is you believe so strongly (although it would seem to be just another Lincoln cast-off). Do you ever have an original thought?


And I don't care what they think. So expect a lot more being rammed down your ignorant throats. I've told you what I think, it's just that some of my comments fall on stony ground or to put it another way, you're too thick to understand.

Oh and by the way.

There is only one truth.

So when one's thoughts converges onto the truth one can expect that others have been close also. So I can expect some of my thoughts to be identical to others who have done this for some time.

I've had this comment from Jean Markale author of Cathedral of the Black Madonna on my signature for some time.

"How many Christian sanctuaries, churches and modest chapels must have been built on former NEMETONS"



I do wonder if you've actually bothered to look up the word NEMETON. These Nemetons are laid out on the landscape in recognized patterns, fixed by the movement of the Sun.

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Sainte Barbe the patroness of la bonne mort and her Chalice of "happy death"....this is Charon's obol in it's other disguise, but either way, this "sustenance for the journey" pays the ferryman who conveys souls across the river that divides the world of the living from the world of the dead....


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Sainte Barbe the patroness of la bonne mort and her Chalice of "happy death"....this is Charon's obol in it's other disguise, but either way, this "sustenance for the journey" pays the ferryman who conveys souls across the river that divides the world of the living from the world of the dead....


Yes but it's not just any old death, in our case it's HUMAN SACRIFICE. One of the lesser attractive practices of the Druids.

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yes, i know.


Statutes of Alpha Galates (First Gauls) (Plantard was a member) comprises of Nine Degrees, the last three are called:

Son Excellence Druidique

Son Altesse Druidique

Sa Majesté Druidique

Other Druids include

William Blake

and Winston Spencer Churchill.

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“Mortepee” actually comes from the Irish-American: tepee mór , i.e. “big tent” .
It’s an allusion to the big top (chapiteau) of the travelling theatre of the Priory (le grand music-hall de Sion (Valais). (“Circuit”, chapter xv.)


or perhaps a chapiteau of the corinthian persuasion.

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Sheila wrote:
paddy wrote:
“Mortepee” actually comes from the Irish-American: tepee mór , i.e. “big tent” .
It’s an allusion to the big top (chapiteau) of the travelling theatre of the Priory (le grand music-hall de Sion (Valais). (“Circuit”, chapter xv.)


or perhaps a chapiteau of the corinthian persuasion.

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Then again it probably has everything to do with this:

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on the Vigenère code to eventually produce the Shepherdess text from the extraneous letters (shown below) of the parchment plus the addition of PS PRAECUM to make up 128 letters. (64x2)

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Notice the middle 12 letters spell out AD GENESARETH
Something never mentioned by Philippe de Cherisey.

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ah, the Sea of Galilee, i've chatted about this before.

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Lake Kinneret – the Sea of Galilee

The Sea of Galilee - Lake Kinneret, in the Jordan Great Rift Valley.
The lake often appears on maps and in the New Testament as Sea of Galilee or Sea of Tiberias. The Babylonian Talmud, as well as Josephus Flavius mention the lake by the name "Sea of Ginnosar" after a small fertile plain that lies on its western side.
This name, in the form Lake of Gennesaret or Sea of Gennesaret appears in Christian religious texts. The name common in Hebrew today is borrowed from the Hebrew Bible, where the lake is called the "Sea of Chinnereth" (or spelled as "Kinnereth").
This name was also found in the scripts of Ugarit, in the Aqhat Epic. A variant of this name is Sea of Chinneroth. The name may originate from the Hebrew word kinnor ("harp" or "lyre")), in view of the shape of the lake, perhaps from a name of a fruit called in Biblical Hebrew kinar, and is thought to be the fruit of Ziziphus spina-christi.

In Christian tradition the tree Ziziphus spina-christi was identified with the thorn bush with which Jesus was crowned before his crucifixion (Matthew 27:28–29; John 19:5; Mark 15:17). This is also the source for the scientific name (spina-christi).

Ziziphus, the ancient Greeks called the tree zizyphon, from the Arabic zizouf, a name for the mythical lotus. This was taken into Latin as zizyphum, or zizypha for the fruits.
spina-christi, spina, thorn; prickle, spine; meaning "covered with Christ's-thorn."


The Ziziphus spina-christi has round golden fruit...like small shining apples.

The Golden bough and / or the Lyre of Aeneas.

It is suggested that this is the only tree species considered "holy" by Muslims (all the individuals of the species are sanctified by religion) in addition to its status as "sacred tree (particular trees which are venerated due to historical or magical events related to them, regardless of their botanical identity) in the Middle East. It has also a special status as "blessed tree" among the Druze. ..... ("sacred" trees are called "blessed" because according to their tradition only humans can be sacred).


and as i mentioned the other day...the word blue is thought to originally designate a discoloured, pale, washed-out shade. Through a Proto-Indo-European root, it is also linked with Latin flavus "yellow" as in golden... with Greek phalos (white), French blanc (white) and with Russian белый, belyi ("white," see beluga), and Welsh blawr (grey) all of which derive from the Proto-Indo-European root *bhel- meaning "to shine, flash or burn"..Bel, Beli, Belennos etc.

the shining golden apples of eternal youth and resurrection.


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...and don't forget to put the cypher on the grill and turn it/rotate it two times before you taste all 25 letters.


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A chapiteau or capital of a column serves the same purpose as a chapiteau or big tent / big top...protection from the elements, as in a chapeau or hat.


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