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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
PostPosted: 03 Jun 2012 1:17 pm 
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I just read Andrew's heads up: Important - Please Read

In it he says: 'Just a reminder that we cannot call people liars, fakes, frauds or the like in our posts. We can disagree, but not slander, no matter how righteous we think we are. Failure to adhere to this principle may result in the deletion of your post and suspension from the forum.'

Surely in the case of a self-confessed l**r, f*k*r and fr**dst*er this is no longer slander but a statement of fact, unless the person is lying about lying I suppose.

Andrew's topic 'Bill Wilkinson’s Big Lie (update, incl pictures of fake ark)' has plenty of those words bandied about as well as hoax, deception etc. so I think I am on safe ground.


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woop-john, Thanks for that reminder....well appreciated and duly noted. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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whoop_john wrote:
I just read Andrew's heads up: Important - Please Read

In it he says: 'Just a reminder that we cannot call people liars, fakes, frauds or the like in our posts. We can disagree, but not slander, no matter how righteous we think we are. Failure to adhere to this principle may result in the deletion of your post and suspension from the forum.'

Surely in the case of a self-confessed l**r, f*k*r and fr**dst*er this is no longer slander but a statement of fact, unless the person is lying about lying I suppose.

Andrew's topic 'Bill Wilkinson’s Big Lie (update, incl pictures of fake ark)' has plenty of those words bandied about as well as hoax, deception etc. so I think I am on safe ground.


I see nothing about libel and some people are just 'libel proof' in other words they have such bad reputations that you can't possible be doing them any further damage.
I think a lot of these people fall under that definition. Yay - for self confessions.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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I agree with you rain.....we have to keep those fine legal lines distinct...if a person "confesses" to a lie, a hoax, or a deceit, I suppose that settles that issue..unless you want to go further and say the confession was a lie to cover a lie to cover a lie...

However, if a person is ACCUSED of a lie or hoax, threat, or deceit, or is called "names' or derogatory labels applied, that falls under the legal definition of "slander" and is accountable in a court of law..slander is when it's a spoken claim/ liable is when an accusation is written in public. So anything appearing here under definition of law would be liable in a court..not 'slander'....however, the spoken word is also considered liable as in this definition:
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slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (


I think I got this right....... but please add more if I overlooked anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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Shasta wrote:
I agree with you rain.....we have to keep those fine legal lines distinct...if a person "confesses" to a lie, a hoax, or a deceit, I suppose that settles that issue..unless you want to go further and say the confession was a lie to cover a lie to cover a lie...

However, if a person is ACCUSED of a lie or hoax, threat, or deceit, or is called "names' or derogatory labels applied, that falls under the legal definition of "slander" and is accountable in a court of law..slander is when it's a spoken claim/ liable is when an accusation is written in public. So anything appearing here under definition of law would be liable in a court..not 'slander'....however, the spoken word is also considered liable as in this definition:
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slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (


I think I got this right....... but please add more if I overlooked anything.


:lol: You overlooked spell check. It's libel not liable.
and each country has different laws as well as international obligations. Part of the confession was designed to protect the person according the country they were in when they allegedly committed the acts. Indeed there would have been some scrambling in an effort to protect future forays (shall we say).

This wasn't about the tomb - look closely - it was about the Ark.
Just remember that Shasta - there are just some things that off-limits. It doesn't take a genius to work out why.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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Oh rain...whatever would I do without your kind and generous help and excellent google skills! Thank You.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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 Post subject: MM?
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Spartacus, you do not impress me as the type who is interested at all in serious Magdalenian research. I
was wrong about you being a skeptic for Rome, you are a freelance skeptic. It is difficult to tell because
both use the same tactics. I am LDS as you must know and we have no problem with Christ being married
to Mary Magdalene and having children and descendants - and still being divine. What is the big deal?!
DRAC I hope you liked my postcard. I think that Ben enlarged the hole and caused quite a bit of damage
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 Post subject: Re: MM?
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Renne wrote:
Spartacus, you do not impress me as the type who is interested at all in serious Magdalenian research.


And your function, Renne, is to disrupt serious Magdalene research, and bring it into disrepute. How long have you been working for the Vatican? How long have you been attempting to make Magdalene researchers look stupid?

Renne wrote:
I was wrong about you being a skeptic for Rome, you are a freelance skeptic


Now you need to ask yourself how many other things you are wrong about!

Renne wrote:
I am LDS as you must know and we have no problem with Christ being married
to Mary Magdalene and having children and descendants - and still being divine. What is the big deal?!


There is no big deal. But why are you intent on leading others astray by supporting hoaxes designed to show how incredibly credulous many Magheads really are? What has the Vatican promised you? How many people have you turned from the true path? How many people have you lead into nonsensical hoaxes?

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DRAC I hope you liked my postcard.


DRAC is not really from that address, Renne! DRAC is a Jewish woman from Israel, and is the key to this whole mystery. Her hair is RED...

Renne wrote:
I think that Ben enlarged the hole and caused quite a bit of damage below.


BEWARE. Don't believe anything Renne writes. There is no 'Ben tomb'. Renne works for the Vatican. She wants to lead genuine Magheads astray, and make them waste their time on fantasy nonsense....

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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Hee hee (in my best southern voice)
Renne does not work for the Vatican. Remember, things are never as they seem, but not the Vatican.
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 Post subject: Re: MM?
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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Now you need to ask yourself how many other things you are wrong about!
Renne wrote:
I am LDS as you must know and we have no problem with Christ being married
to Mary Magdalene and having children and descendants - and still being divine. What is the big deal?!



Stay strong Renne, do not let these non-believers shake your faith! I am not talking about the ridiculous nonsense of LDS, of course. That way is for fools and children. I am talking about Ben Hammott! Keep your faith in Ben and the truth of the tomb. Ben Hammott will be redeemed and we will walk the path of tomb-truth together. I'm not sure how it will all happen but my belief is that Bill Kersey will come forward with his Certificates of Genuine Discovery and the whole world will see the truth. Then they will know how Ben Hammott sacrificed his good reputatation for us by pretending to admit to a hoax. The whole world will soon bask in the true love of Ben!

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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what about the things in the thomb, which had moved a little bit ?

This is the evidence of cheating.

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 Post subject: Re: MM?
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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Renne wrote:
Spartacus, you do not impress me as the type who is interested at all in serious Magdalenian research.


And your function, Renne, is to disrupt serious Magdalene research, and bring it into disrepute. How long have you been working for the Vatican? How long have you been attempting to make Magdalene researchers look stupid?

Renne wrote:
I was wrong about you being a skeptic for Rome, you are a freelance skeptic


Now you need to ask yourself how many other things you are wrong about!

Renne wrote:
I am LDS as you must know and we have no problem with Christ being married
to Mary Magdalene and having children and descendants - and still being divine. What is the big deal?!


There is no big deal. But why are you intent on leading others astray by supporting hoaxes designed to show how incredibly credulous many Magheads really are? What has the Vatican promised you? How many people have you turned from the true path? How many people have you lead into nonsensical hoaxes?

Renne wrote:
DRAC I hope you liked my postcard.


DRAC is not really from that address, Renne! DRAC is a Jewish woman from Israel, and is the key to this whole mystery. Her hair is RED...

Renne wrote:
I think that Ben enlarged the hole and caused quite a bit of damage below.


BEWARE. Don't believe anything Renne writes. There is no 'Ben tomb'. Renne works for the Vatican. She wants to lead genuine Magheads astray, and make them waste their time on fantasy nonsense....


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Renne wrote:
Spartacus, you do not impress me as the type who is interested at all in serious Magdalenian research. I
was wrong about you being a skeptic for Rome, you are a freelance skeptic. It is difficult to tell because
both use the same tactics. I am LDS as you must know and we have no problem with Christ being married
to Mary Magdalene and having children and descendants - and still being divine. What is the big deal?!
DRAC I hope you liked my postcard. I think that Ben enlarged the hole and caused quite a bit of damage
below.

Renne...LDS in India! This is nice to read about.....maybe they can help with research and DNA at the tomb of Roza Bal!
There are no coincidences. :P
http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story/18837370/article-LDS-Church-Organizes-First-Stake-in-India-?instance=home_first_stories

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2012 5:49 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRXJH5dhio

I sure hope this is an old interview and not as recent as the date on youtube. He couldn`t possibly be peddling the whole tomb and artifact story still...or maybe he does :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2012 11:00 pm 
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRXJH5dhio

I sure hope this is an old interview and not as recent as the date on youtube. He couldn`t possibly be peddling the whole tomb and artifact story still...or maybe he does :roll:


Whoop John's comment has been flagged as spam 3 hours ago - so someone is keeping tabs on their website, regularly I'd say.
What comment did you post Whoop John, that got you flagged?


This is the date - a week and a half ago that the video was uploaded to youtube.
Published on May 23, 2012 by HolyGrailExperience


Looks like it's starting again. But he's peddling the tomb and Artifact - AGAIN.

Someone looks like they need a shower so I don't know how seriously this is going to be taken.

Unbelievable. :roll:

I think he's going for the retreats again - didn't he score well on the last ones - maybe that's why he's reverting to type?
Here's the website for Revy Rose - someone needs a bath - maybe someone can tell her about Rennes les Bains and save us all the price of the peg on a nose.
http://www.holygrailexperience.com/

Bloody Hell, we've seen this before.
This is a resurrection of the 'foundation of love' concept by Colin Bloy.

http://www.holygrailexperience.com/

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Our Holy Grail Experience is a unifying place of peace, where no matter what a person believes, they can enter an immense calm, through the powerful experience of quiet introspection, and the healing balm of an environment of non-judgment and self acceptance. There are solutions to every problem, and with love as the driving force behind our actions, we feel we can make a difference in the world, one person at a time.

The Cathar region of Carcassonne, in Southern France currently boasts at least 4 million pilgrims per year, due to its’ mysterious and fascinating history, unparalleled natural beauty, as well as famed culture and spirituality. If we are able to connect with just 0.1% of these travelers, we will have indeed touched and inspired, so as to effect a greater consciousness change in the world.


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Above is a photograph of the 12th Century original Abbey which has been a monastery for over 800 years. This is the property we envision hosting our Holy Grail Experience from. The property boasts 70 acres of fertile, pristine land, with its’ own vineyards, 5 separate houses, 8 apartments, large fresh spring fed lake, outdoor swimming pool, paddocks, stables, orchards and original Medieval courtyard, dining halls, mezzanine and stunning natural environment. After personally viewing numerous properties in France, England and Germany, this property really has all the elements of perfection for a cause like ours. One feels healed simply from walking around the grounds of this monastery, where thousands of monks through history have lived, spending their days in nature with prayer at the core of their everyday experience. The energy here on this land is unsurpassed. The property has been fully renovated and is modern and fully updated, whilst upholding it’s unique and gorgeous original old-style original beauty.


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We are initially hoping to raise $2 million ($2,000,000) to purchase the Abbey and begin our project and cause.

We have a business plan package available if you would like to take a closer look at our organization and ideas. Please browse our website to see what wonderful works we have planned for our guests, residents and on-line community, and email us at info@holygrailexperience.com.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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De nos jours, meme en Californie ce genre de betises est considere comme etant un peu desuet et plus qu'un peu debile. La nouvelle mode est de danser tout nu autour d'un arbuste en criant "je suis une sorciere!". Mais comme cette dame pretend detenir un doctorat, peut etre trouve-t-elle ce genre de choses en dessous de sa dignite?


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 Post subject: Re: Ben Hammott's Confession on Radio
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRXJH5dhio

I sure hope this is an old interview and not as recent as the date on youtube. He couldn`t possibly be peddling the whole tomb and artifact story still...or maybe he does :roll:



Good job Crimson Ghost.
on the same website that the youtube vid. links to it has the following.

http://www.holygrailexperience.com/
The links are to 2 of ben Hammott's websites

http://www.holygrailexperience.com/
And the live TV and videos are of the interviews of Ben hammott.

It looks like he's at it again with Brother Robert & Rev Rose in tow - they are either complicit or just plain ignorant of the fact of what has gone on.

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De nos jours, meme en Californie ce genre de betises est considere comme etant un peu desuet et plus qu'un peu debile. La nouvelle mode est de danser tout nu autour d'un arbuste en criant "je suis une sorciere!". Mais comme cette dame pretend detenir un doctorat, peut etre trouve-t-elle ce genre de choses en dessous de sa dignite?


This is strange, she is really well educated. Looks like she's a back-up plan and she was recruited in College(uni).

I wonder where the Ph.D come from? - it says education: D'Havilland College - there is one in Hertfordshire. Looks like she wasn't educated in the U.S. but in England.

De Havilland College
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The Campus, Welwyn Garden City

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Throughout its history, the University has been strong in Aerospace engineering and computer science. More recently, it has built up its strengths in other areas such as pharmacology, history, business, geography and astrophysics. The university has a unique history in training Aerospace Engineers. The university is ranked 9th for physics by the Guardian University guide for 2011.


Another interesting fun fact - Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) is also involved in the Aerospace industry working for an aviation company.

http://www.hillsboroaviation.com/en/mee ... aul_karren

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De nos jours, meme en Californie ce genre de betises est considere comme etant un peu desuet et plus qu'un peu debile. La nouvelle mode est de danser tout nu autour d'un arbuste en criant "je suis une sorciere!". Mais comme cette dame pretend detenir un doctorat, peut etre trouve-t-elle ce genre de choses en dessous de sa dignite?


You could use some new material, Roger, your old act is getting stale.

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I wonder where the Ph.D come from? - it says education: D'Havilland College - there is one in Hertfordshire. Looks like she wasn't educated in the U.S. but in England.


Ah, the historic home of dancing around bushes chanting "I'm a witch!" ...

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TCP wrote:
Tertius wrote:
De nos jours, meme en Californie ce genre de betises est considere comme etant un peu desuet et plus qu'un peu debile. La nouvelle mode est de danser tout nu autour d'un arbuste en criant "je suis une sorciere!". Mais comme cette dame pretend detenir un doctorat, peut etre trouve-t-elle ce genre de choses en dessous de sa dignite?


You could use some new material, Roger, your old act is getting stale.

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I thought he was politely telling me about the PH.D. and referring to the advanced research institutes in California previously controlled mostly by the Russians and Eastern bloc countries but the U.S. has in the intervening years after the cold war made an effort to regain control.
As you know the ARI are mostly what looks like hippies but are in fact intelligent, well educated people whose profile does not fit the personas they take on.
For instance the "Institute of Noetic sciences" ONS, founded by astronaut Edgar Mitchell, is a nonprofit membership organization supporting the realization of our human potential through leading-edge...

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rain wrote:
I wonder where the Ph.D come from? - it says education: D'Havilland College - there is one in Hertfordshire. Looks like she wasn't educated in the U.S. but in England.


Ah, the historic home of dancing around bushes chanting "I'm a witch!" ...

Image

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Maybe I'm adding 1+1 and getting a 100 but the fact is BEN HAMMOTT aka Bill Wilkinson is starting up his con again and he's doing so with help of Krishna-rosewing and Brother Roberts who are trying to raise 2,000,000 pounds to start up retreats that apparently prey on faith healing. In the Aude, in the previous Cathar region.

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TCP wrote:
Tertius wrote:
De nos jours, meme en Californie ce genre de betises est considere comme etant un peu desuet et plus qu'un peu debile. La nouvelle mode est de danser tout nu autour d'un arbuste en criant "je suis une sorciere!". Mais comme cette dame pretend detenir un doctorat, peut etre trouve-t-elle ce genre de choses en dessous de sa dignite?


You could use some new material, Roger, your old act is getting stale.

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I thought he was politely telling me about the PH.D. and referring to the advanced research institutes in California <snip>


And pass on an easy dig at me? You do know Roger, don't you? :lol:

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Maybe I'm adding 1+1 and getting a 100 but the fact is BEN HAMMOTT aka Bill Wilkinson is starting up his con again and he's doing so with help of Krishna-rosewing and Brother Roberts who are trying to raise 2,000,000 pounds to start up retreats that apparently prey on faith healing. In the Aude, in the previous Cathar region.


And...who didn't see this coming?

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