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Tertius,

those links you posted were fascinating reads, and each theory may be somewhat correct.
So let's start with this theory: Some people claim they are descendents from Magdalene and Jesus...........

OOOOOOKay. That is not impossible. But theoretically if you put twenty of these Magdalene descendents in a room and ask them the same historical questions, like, how many children did they have, or what color hair, or what color eyes did Jesus have, or where is the tomb of Magdalene (where did she die,, and when) you will get twenty different answers, some very bizarre. You would think if these were reliable memories that you would have a complete and accurate picture of events in Magdalene's life....but this never happens.

It is proven that sometimes after transplant surgery, donor memories are shared with the host...such as the name of a childhood dog of the donor...so we know that DNA can retain memories different from what would be expected to be passed down for the survival of a species, or even of just one generation of offspring.. but for how many generations back can these memories be stored? If I am descended from Cleopatra, can I have flashback to a day in her life in Egypt? How would I know what is a dream, what is imagination, and what was the real Egypt like back then? We have no way to validate these memories.

In eastern cultures there is a firm tradition about reincarnations and deceased souls 'jumping' into new bodies soon after death. And indeed some children retain memories of a deceased person they neither met nor were ever related to...So that is another whole field of exploration..
There is so much that we dont know and haven't figured out yet...
Very interesting to ponder.
Shasta

I have mentioned many times before that every family line will have its own unique genealogy...each new son or daughter who has offspring has a new family lineage. The same rules apply for you and for me and for the Queen of England. The royal heirs to the Throne, Harry and William, will each marry and produce a very different line for the next generation. That's what you are seeing in all these genealogy charts...One common Des Marets family and the many branches from that family...

My nieces and nephews do not have the same father as my children, hence they are a completely new family line, as their children will be.. When the Demarest Museum returned to see my grandmother, they showed her the charts they had made...but at a certain point, the charts stopped and grandmother had to fill in the remaining parents and grandparents. Third cousins would have to start theirs in a completely different direction...we may have shared a common ancestor....but each child is a new lineage.
At the birth of each new child in the family, a new chart is prepared, with that child's past and room for his/her future generations..

When looking at these genealogy charts made by others, that should be apparent...In fact, some of the family left France and married Germans and Hungarians...some of them became 'royalty' and 'famous'..
Thus, the genealogy charts for Hungarians (who were once Des Marets) looks very different from those who remained in France, or who came to America...This is just common sense....and I am not the one to be figuring all this out...I can't even keep my grocery list spot on most days.....I go to our family museum and to other family members for cheat sheets.. They did all the hard work (just to confuse TCP, and I see that it's working). .

Actually what I'm seeing on this "Demarests in Europe" page is a rather Quixotic and unlikely blend of historical and quasi-historical figures, as well as characters from medieval literature, cobbled together to form a single line of descent from Pharamond, King of the Franks down to Baldwin I, Lord des Marets.

The problem is one of cohesion. This fantasy lineage isn't cohesive at all, it's a patchwork made of several unrelated genealogies linked together by fictional characters. Some of the links are female, which negates the idea that this is in any way patrilineal.

For instance, looking at Raoul de Cambrai - he had no sons. His successor Isaac was appointed to the county of Cambrai when it became vacant on Raoul's death, and nothing is known of his origins. Neither was Raoul the son of Baldwin II of Flanders, they were brothers, both of them sons of Baldwin I of Flanders. And from him one can only go back for four extremely speculative generations to one Lideric, described in contemporary cartulary references as a young knight from Portugal who came north in the train of Eudes, Duke of Aquitaine and settled there. Beyond this Lideric, nothing more is known about origins of the Flanders line.

But this source has him descending from a character of legend also named Lyderic, upon whom the foundational myth of the city of Lille is focused. He kills the giant who had killed his parents, leaving him an orphan, and wins the hand of a princess. Unfortunately there's nothing upon which to base a case for historicity here. He exists only in folklore. This source shows Lyderic's father as "Salvaert, Prince of Dijon" and "Salvaert" as the son of the Merovingian king Clothaire II. Clothaire had no such son, nor does the legend of Lyderic name his grandfather as Clothaire. There is nothing historical upon which to base this claim. It's fantasy.

TCP

OK I left the actual book printed by the Demarest Museum at the farm in New York State. I just checked the Demarest site on Facebook, but don't see our lineage there...I went through all the boxes and dressers and closets here (I'm still at the condos) , but I cannot find a copy of the scrolls (I usually have several on hand in the event of a newborn...these are gifts)

It has the Coat of Arms, a brief family history, our family in Europe and Palestine...then a new line that begins with David Demarest coming to America circa 1630....then it picks up again from there, but only for our family line...each of David's sons would be a different genealogy, starting from their arrival and births in Manhattan...

So if you do get a response from the Demarest Museum about our family from the Crusades to the present, ...please share it with me here so I can see it again..
Thank You.

In my book I included 4 "genealogies" of Jesus and Magdalene....one was by Hugh Montgomery, one by Dr. James Tabor, another by a history student (at UCLA?) and a fourth...I have also seen these impossible charts purportedly from Ireland and Scotland where even the fairy folk are listed in the genealogy of kings....This can get pretty wild!

I am glad that the Museum can take the brunt of proving its claims...That's what I relied upon and why I trusted their research.
If there are faults with their research, please do tell me..and of course please tell them. I'm sure they'd be delighted to know.
Shasta

Crow, there was an article (Nat Geo I think) recently about a man known as 'the elephant whisperer', a man who tried so hard to save the wild elephants in Africa.....and indeed he did seem to have a special gift of communication with them..When he died, several large herds made the journey to his home and gathered there for several days...It is believed they somehow 'sensed' his death and came to pay tribute. It is well known that elephants are one of the few species that mourn their dead and remember them for long afterward..Echo was the matriarch of a large elephant family for over 30 years....each year after her death, they still gathered 'round where her bones lay and remembered her....some actually grieving...

I think there is a connection here with the search for our ancient family and ancient memories.....at any rate, it is fascinating to ponder, even if we still don't know the answers.
Shasta

Of course they do, what is instinct? Why do ducks know where to fly in winter? How do they know to fly north in the spring?

Re: Organ transplants -

They say that it is through the DNA of the donor organ that the recipient receives dreams of the spirit

and preferences of the donor, ie. they can crave what the donor loved to eat.

Renne, do you believe that the information, the memories, are actually imprinted on the DNA....or are of a more esoteric and spiritual nature?.....As though the spirit had an affinity to remain near (pieces of ) the old familiar host it once lived in?
Shasta

VAM you nailed it.

Here is a pic of the Team Hammott during a visit in Germany. Notice the hair of pat and the mummy.
Is pat born in Israel ? This could declare the DNA results.

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And OMG... this must mean that Hammott's mummy WAS party to the deception after all.

Good find Hans!

VAM

Exactly.

Pat told me, that the mummy was the boss and she promised the team eternity and new hair which could never be lost, the same hair as she is wearing.

Pat has got it and Ben is waiting for it.

They are only victims of the mummy nothing else. This is the way how she catched them all.
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Haha! Goldilocks and the three scares!!

VAM

VAM,, I'm having a gender crisis looking at those pictures..

shasta, what we do is just a joke, nothing else.

But what about the pictures they have shown to us ? That was not a joke, it was a fraud.

Yes, I understand. And I see the hurt and pain coming through all of you- even in your humor-I am saddened for you.

I do not know what kind of "camel" you are, but I am a joker. I love jokes just for itself, not to hurt anybody.

How will the world look like, without laughing ? It was only the fact, that the hair of the mummy and the hair of pat are looking like the same, which gives me the intention to that photoshop post. I do not want to hurt these poor people. They have problems enough.

Remember the words of Umberto Ecco (the name of the rose) :

" people, who are laughing, are without fear and it's difficult to get them under control".

In that picture is more truth than you will expect. Have a look at it. Every thing is there, the beer, the mummy and the fraudulent satisfied grin of Ben.

And Ben's hair looks lovely
Regards
Nic

Does your organization know anything about this design? - from: "...the Mystery of the Golden Crest."

The stone (E) is from RLC, does it look familiar?

Seconded.


@ peper - selten so gelacht, alter Coyote. ("the mummy promised the team eternity and new hair which could never be lost")

Jeez, this stuff is getting hairsterical

What worries me is that so few people could see it, even when it was pointed out. They wanted it to be true. Bill W was feeding a ready and willing need for some people.

It was in 2008 I did this analysis of two views of the faked tomb. I pointed out that the two could not possibly be the same, one at least had to be a fake. And if the person had faked one, why not the other?

Nobody in their right mind could possibly believe they are of the same scene. Things haven't just moved or gone missing, they've shape-shifted and morphed into other objects.

The original faked tomb is the bottom, more detailed one. It also appeared in a static picture on Bill's website, but I took the frame above from some fleeting footage that was released. The very yellow scene. I desaturated and colour balanced it to better match the later view, to make comparison easier.

The more angled shot above (and I pointed out that I didn't see how a camera on a pole poked through the same very small hole around what we were told was a bend could get such a different oblique view) was re-constructed for the Bloodline film, long after the original prop scene had been dismantled.

There is of course the third set of footage, after the whole mess conveniently collapsed, with broken crucifix etc. This would ensure that any future footage would not have to match anything very much.

The Bloodline film showed Bill W peering into the cave hole and going 'Oh my God' when the only real view could only have been via the camera monitor on the ledge to his right.

So many other little clues were there, all over the place.

Then the bottle saga arose, so ridiculous. Clinched by the sound clip of Bill Kersey going 'Ooh there's another bottle under there' and trying further to explain this several times over, with Bill W feigning not to hear but having to 'discover' it on another day. We won't even go there with the bad French in the parchments.

Good work, whoop_john

I couldn't argee more, John! It really does boggle the mind that some people are so desperate to believe that they will accept any old nonsense.

John, would I be right in saying that the second picture above is the 'scale-model' of the 'tomb'?

Regards,

Spartacus