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 Post subject: Ark of the covenant
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Andy, is this fake discovery cave you mention in your post in France, RLC?


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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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Great post Mr G!
Food for thought, indeed! :shock:

Any comments Bill K, Pat, Sandy?

The crux of the matter appears to be this:-

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Not only is such a deception a punishable offence, but an unacceptable consequence of such behaviour, particularly in a genre ridden with fraud and deceit, is the continued manipulation of the public, particularly with regard to artefacts holding strong religious and political connotations. This begs the question: should the genre self-regulate itself? And if the answer is ‘yes’, then this brings me to the following point.


Show and tell time indeed!

Some might conclude that the biggest crime was those checked pants Bill/Ben was wearing in the pic! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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The whistle was blown long ago, it's just nobody ever listened at the time.
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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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The whistle was blown long ago, it's just nobody ever listened at the time.


That's hardly true Sheila, I seem to recall protracted discussions about the ambiguous minutae of the whole box and bottle
discoveries.
A clear memory was the box and its precious contents turning up at the Moot in a Tesco carrier bag! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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maybe go back to when the subject first reared it's head dear boy....the "protracted discussions" where between the believers only.


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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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maybe go back to when the subject first reared it's head dear boy....the "protracted discussions" where between the believers only.


If you say so Sheila! :lol: :lol:
Not sure even Voldemort was a believer..............
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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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BillKersey wrote:
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Someone on a French language forum just put up a legible photo of one of the "parchments". Hilarious! It shows syntax errors that are typical of an English person attempting to write in French... I'd have thought that a Hollywood production company could afford to hire a native speaker, but I guess not! I guess the devil truly is in the details.
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Thank you for your remarks, however, it is unfortunate that the Priest is not around to respond to your criticism of his handywork. Those documents that he wrote are highly cryptic and contain subtle coding and unexpected word grouping designed to confuse the unwary. It obviously worked, though encrypted a century ago. It has, for the most part achieved some of his objectives in revealing his hidden caches in a logical sequence. Thanks to the diligence of our research team ably led by Ben Hammott. However there is yet more therin. Our researches continue, fortunately.
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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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I was wondering if anyone was aware of the "ark of the convenant" replica that was made a few years back for a film that "Bruce Burgess" was supposed to be funding through his company "bluebook films" for the discovery channel but he went MIA along with the money.
Leaving everyone in the lurch?

This replica was supposed to be a working model.
http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Egyptian% ... ology.html
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During the course of John's documentaries and experiments, he caught the attention of a UK film maker named Bruce Burgess of BLUEBOOK FILMS with the Discovery Channel. Bruce had made a documentary for Discovery about the legendary Ark of the Covenant. Have researching the subject extensively, one of the ideas that fascinated him was the prospect of re-creating the Ark of the Covenant. Having known of John through the film industry, Bruce commissioned him to partake in a new documentary for the Discovery Channel about the creation and testing of such a device. The device worked, an electronic fog, orbs, zippy tiny lights appeared out of thin air, and very small light forms described as angelic miniature forms appeared to circle the angels atop the Ark. There are video links, as well as links to the documentary below. As things turned out, this Ark vanished, it was stolen! We were compelled to re-create another, made only of materials available to the ancients, with a power source built right inside. Legends say it was a radio to god. It was considered to be the very first weapon of mass destruction, having been carried into battle on many occasions to secure a victory. The second Ark has 2 transceiver tesla coils wound oppositely and has the ability to be used as an ancient radio. Unsuppressed lightning strikes will reach as far as 6 feet or so from each solid brass eagle. If suppressed and modulated, it certainly does make a very powerful radio. Also during John's experiments with his other tesla equipment, he achieved effects such as levitation, transmutation of elements, creation of new compounds, time manipulations, rapid ageing of samples, disappearing samples, and so on. The tesla coils are resonating frequencies that disturb the natural resonance that binds matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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I just brought the above up because frankly none of this is a surprise. Secondly, to actually make an a authentic replica is quite expensive which I didn't know till awhile back. I guess when you think about it - it would be. It wasn't a tin-foil attempt it was an honest attempt that tried to replicate the metals, wood, configuration and it turned out to cost quite a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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Sheila wrote:
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Someone on a French language forum just put up a legible photo of one of the "parchments". Hilarious! It shows syntax errors that are typical of an English person attempting to write in French... I'd have thought that a Hollywood production company could afford to hire a native speaker, but I guess not! I guess the devil truly is in the details.
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Thank you for your remarks, however, it is unfortunate that the Priest is not around to respond to your criticism of his handywork. Those documents that he wrote are highly cryptic and contain subtle coding and unexpected word grouping designed to confuse the unwary. It obviously worked, though encrypted a century ago. It has, for the most part achieved some of his objectives in revealing his hidden caches in a logical sequence. Thanks to the diligence of our research team ably led by Ben Hammott. However there is yet more therin. Our researches continue, fortunately.
Bill Kersey.


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1067


Thanks for that, rereading the posts it doesn't seem like Believers discussing it.
Interesting that some have removed all their posts though good to see some fragments of Ol' Roger again.

A 'working copy' of the Ark ? define 'working'..............
Oh puleeze!
Looks like A&E is too busy tonight. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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A 'working copy' of the Ark ? define 'working'..............
Oh puleeze!
Looks like A&E is too busy tonight.

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Are you talking to me? I'm not sure what you mean by A&E (accident & emergency), Thomas?
The following link may help you to understand what they were trying to achieve. I'm not a electrical engineer but I believe it's been postulated that the ark is either a condensor or capacitor.
So IMO they designed according to those principles and the descriptions of the ark.



http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Ark%20Of% ... %20II.html

If you need a further explanation of "working model" let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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A 'working copy' of the Ark ? define 'working'..............
Oh puleeze!
Looks like A&E is too busy tonight.

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Are you talking to me? I'm not sure what you mean by A&E (accident & emergency), Thomas?
The following link may help you to understand what they were trying to achieve. I'm not a electrical engineer but I believe it's been postulated that the ark is either a condensor or capacitor.
So IMO they designed according to those principles and the descriptions of the ark.



http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Ark%20Of% ... %20II.html

If you need a further explanation of "working model" let me know.


In order for something to be a 'working copy' of an object one would have to have the 'working original'
to copy exactly and comprehension of its design and function. Does that seem logical to you?
Do you know of anyone who has the working original to copy?

A 'working copy ' of a postulated theory is only an 'imagining' based on what you describe as 'belief'.
When did the Old Testament prove to be factual?

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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Thomas D. wrote:
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A 'working copy' of the Ark ? define 'working'..............
Oh puleeze!
Looks like A&E is too busy tonight.

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Are you talking to me? I'm not sure what you mean by A&E (accident & emergency), Thomas?
The following link may help you to understand what they were trying to achieve. I'm not a electrical engineer but I believe it's been postulated that the ark is either a condensor or capacitor.
So IMO they designed according to those principles and the descriptions of the ark.



http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Ark%20Of% ... %20II.html

If you need a further explanation of "working model" let me know.


In order for something to be a 'working copy' of an object one would have to have the 'working original'
to copy exactly and comprehension of its design and function. Does that seem logical to you?
Do you know of anyone who has the working original to copy?

A 'working copy ' of a postulated theory is only an 'imagining' based on what you describe as 'belief'.
When did the Old Testament prove to be factual?

TD :lol:


I'm not going to get dragged into playing semantics with you at this moment Thomas.
If you're fishing for more information - let me just straight out say 'there is' but there is no point discussing here or anywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Ark of the covenant
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I'm not going to get dragged into playing semantics with you at this moment Thomas.
If you're fishing for more information - let me just straight out say 'there is' but there is no point discussing here or anywhere
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Gosh, you sound more like Voldemort every day!

'working copy' is illogical for the reasons given, call it semantics if you like. :lol:

As AG says sooner or later the genre needs to become self regulating and that's where verifiable evidence has a role.

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I'm not going to get dragged into playing semantics with you at this moment Thomas.
If you're fishing for more information - let me just straight out say 'there is' but there is no point discussing here or anywhere
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Gosh, you sound more like Voldemort every day!

'working copy' is illogical for the reasons given, call it semantics if you like. :lol:

As AG says sooner or later the genre needs to become self regulating and that's where verifiable evidence has a role.

TD :roll:


Here we go. :roll: The unfounded accusations.

His name is Roger. Why are so scared of saying his name?

And what has Roger got to with this thread? and why are still referring to him?

What's A&E a reference to? You still haven't answered my question?

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As AG says sooner or later the genre needs to become self regulating and that's where verifiable evidence has a role.


Now I need to explain this point by point. If you click on the link I gave you can see where the 2nd ark of the covenant was made. The first one being stolen after being commissioned by ONE Bruce Brugess.
It maybe that the pictures of the "replica" are used as a selling point.

[u]MAYBE, & if that is the case people can compare it.[/u]

Pictures and website being "hard evidence of actual artifact" even if it is a replica.
I'm doing this "just in case" - and if people are unaware of this particular fact.


The question therefore remains are you trying to say that "Ark of the convenant" replica was not made Thomas, and why?
Are you trying to say the website is manufactured? Are you saying the picture is doctored? And why keep invoking Roger into this as if he's somehow guilty of what? I don't know what you're trying to say Thomas, but I can sure say I'm not Roger, why keep bringing it up? I don't think anyone else but you keeps thinking I'm him. It's weird and frankly an insult to me. As if I can't speak for myself. :roll:

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 Post subject: Exodus?
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Hi Rain, Did they cover the Ark model with pure gold? No wonder it was stolen.

Has the original article at the top of this thread been taken down? I`m not surprised that someone tried to

replicate such a powerful object!

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There are many models of the Ark of the Covenant for sale.

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Hi Rain, Did they cover the Ark model with pure gold? No wonder it was stolen.


No Renne, it wasn't covered in Gold because the actual description wouldn't have supported the weight so amended it and used materials that they felt would have been applicable.

If it is the replica then physically it would probably have to be guilded which in the scheme of things wouldn't be too much. Nor add enough weight to make it physically impossible to exist.

Have a look at the following link for a description - they describe the planning the tools and material right down to the pricing.

http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Ark%20Of% ... %20II.html

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The Ark was made of acacia wood and "overlaid" with gold - that doesn`t sound too heavy.

"Alkaloids - Acacias contain a number of organic compounds that defend them from pests and grazing animals.[10] Many of these compounds are psychoactive in humans. The alkaloids found in Acacias include dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) and N-methyltryptamine (NMT). The plant leaves, stems and/or roots are sometimes made into a brew together with some MAOI-containing plant and consumed orally for healing, ceremonial or religious uses."

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"There were a few interesting details about the production I haven’t covered yet.... The Ark worked!! But that's not all, there were orbs and entities that became apparent. Very apparent, in person and on camera. These entities have been described as "Angelic Beings of Light" wearing what seemed to be robes, flying into and out of a portal that ignited out of the plasma ark between the cherubim. One of the orbs is shown in the top right portion of the top left picture."

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Acacia wood.

(Supporting the finds of Ben and Sande and Bill K.)

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The question therefore remains are you trying to say that "Ark of the convenant" replica was not made Thomas, and why?
Are you trying to say the website is manufactured? Are you saying the picture is doctored? And why keep invoking Roger into this as if he's somehow guilty of what? I don't know what you're trying to say Thomas, but I can sure say I'm not Roger, why keep bringing it up? I don't think anyone else but you keeps thinking I'm him. It's weird and frankly an insult to me. As if I can't speak for myself. :roll:


Oooh, calm down you do sound tetchy and awfully defensive! :lol:

It's not possible, by definition, to have an 'exact copy' , 'working copy' or 'replica' of something if no one has seen the original!!!!!
Now, if you are talking about another edition to replace the first modern stolen 'imagining' based on the biblical description then thats a different issue.
But, it is not possible to make a 'working copy' of something that no ones ever seen. :shock: :shock:
As to whether this copy is a 'working' one; if no ones seen the original in action its not possible to reproduce its actions.

Cannot make it any clearer...............

BTW.....Glad to see that Renne has thrown the considerable weight of her credibility behind team Hammott!

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Thomas D. wrote:
It's not possible, by definition, to have an 'exact copy' , 'working copy' or 'replica' of something if no one has seen the original!!!!!


:lol: Sure, behind the eight ball again.

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I agree with Tommy.

Calling it a working model is huge stretch - has anyone that has built one of these things communicated God?

Or, is there another sense in which it can be a "working model"?

Can you or anyone else describe the physics that explains it's communication capabilities?

If it behaves as a capacitor, the angel arms might act as serial inductors. The gap between the wings would be a spark gap.

The best it could do is receive sparks caused by electromagnetic radiation at a frequency equal to the serial capacitor/inductor resonance frequency. And then all it might receive and reproduce is pulsed signals (sparks). Complex voice signals are out of the question. The only hope is that God knows Morse code. I presume he will want to communicate in the language of the OT, i.e. Hebrew. I must check and see how the Morse code works with Hebrew - I presume there is a Hebrew version. (Perhaps St. Peter could also tell us where he conceals the Keys to the Kingdom on the weekend when he's down at the local, catchin' up with the boys.)

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didn't Rat Scabies make one of these in his mate's garage?

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