Coincidence Right?

jim · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 5:00 pm

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

jim wrote:

I wouldn't give much credence to the story in regards to the date of the tomb. Imho the entire story was a ploy to keep people away from the area.

Right, create an elaborate story like this to keep people away... :roll:

What's so elaborate about faking the date the tomb was built. Instead of saying it was worked on in 1903 you say that's when it was built. Then if you claim it's no different than hundreds of others scattered about the area, trusting readers not familiar with the area wouldn't be so encouraged to investigate for themselves. I know if I thought I was on to something big, I'd certainly mis-direct others to keep them off my path.

TCP · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 5:18 pm

roscoe wrote:

Yes those Druids were busy people speaking the true Celtic language and creating Le Cromleck de France

You're likely the only person I know of who still fervently believes that the Druids were responsible for cromlechs. :roll:

TCP

Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 9:36 pm

jim wrote:

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

jim wrote:

I wouldn't give much credence to the story in regards to the date of the tomb. Imho the entire story was a ploy to keep people away from the area.

Right, create an elaborate story like this to keep people away... :roll:

What's so elaborate about faking the date the tomb was built. Instead of saying it was worked on in 1903 you say that's when it was built. Then if you claim it's no different than hundreds of others scattered about the area, trusting readers not familiar with the area wouldn't be so encouraged to investigate for themselves. I know if I thought I was on to something big, I'd certainly mis-direct others to keep them off my path.

I believe I misunderstood what you were stating Jim, I took it you meant the entire Sauniere story was to keep people away, didn`t realize you were only referring only to the Pontils Tomb part. Sorry about that.

lovuian · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 4:25 am

A nemeton was a sacred space of ancient Celtic religion. Nemeta appear to have been primarily situated in natural areas, and, as they often utilized trees, they are often interpreted as sacred groves

However, other evidence suggests that the word implied a wider variety of ritual spaces, such as shrines and temples
The word is related to the name of the Nemetes tribe living by the Rhine between the Palatinate and Lake Constance in what is now Germany, and their goddess Nemetona.

Pliny and Lucan wrote that druids did not meet in stone temples or other constructions, but in sacred groves of trees. In his Pharsalia Lucan described such a grove near Massilia in dramatic terms more designed to evoke a shiver of delicious horror among his Roman hearers than meant as proper natural history:

no bird nested in the nemeton, nor did any animal lurk nearby; the leaves constantly shivered though no breeze stirred. Altars stood in its midst, and the images of the gods. Every tree was stained with sacrificial blood. the very earth groaned, dead yews revived; unconsumed trees were surrounded with flame, and huge serpents twined round the oaks. The people feared to approach the grove, and even the priest would not walk there at midday or midnight lest he should then meet its divine guardian.

Descriptions of such sites have been found all across the formerly Celtic world. Attested examples include include Nemetobriga near Ourense in northwestern Spain, Drunemeton in Galatia, and Medionemeton near the Antonine Wall in what is now Scotland

Mars Lucetius ("Shining Mars") as Rigonemeti ("King of the sacred grove") and Nemetona are attested in Roman inscriptions in Nettleham, near Lincoln, and at Bath, where a native of Treves erected an altar to Mars Loucetius and Nemetona, in fulfillment of a vow.

A nemeton is in the Roman placename Vernemeton (now Willoughby-on-the-Wolds, Nottinghamshire), in Roman Aquae Arnemetiae (now Buxton, Derbyshire), and in the 1194 reference to Nametwihc, "Sanctuary-Town," (Nantwich, Cheshire

n Scotland, nemeton place-names are quite frequent,[5] as they are in Devon, where they appear in modern names containing Nymet or Nympton, and have been identified with the name Nemetostatio in the Ravenna Cosmography

A well known nemeton site is in the Névet forest near Locronan in Brittany
In Paris, a case has been made for "Namet" in a line of doggerel of about 1270, as the ancient name for the Quartier du Temple on the Right Bank

n Ireland, there was a chapel Nemed at Armagh and another on Sliabh Fhuait

Nemetons also existed as far east as the Gaulish region of Galatia in Anatolia, where Strabo records the name of the meeting-place of the council of the Galatians as Drunemeton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemeton

And to answer the question about why I thought it interesting
is the measurement of the Golden ratio

Sainte Genevieve, patron saint of Paris, was born in Nanterre ca. 419–422
Celtic word nemeto meaning "shrine" or "sacred place" and the Celtic word duros (cognate of English door and German Tür) meaning "door or gate", or "fortress". The sacred place referred to is supposed to have been a famous shrine that existed in antiquity on the top of the hill known as Mont-Valérien

The Romans recorded the name as Nemetodorum

Was Roslin Glen a former Nemeton?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7022

lovuian wrote:

A nemeton was a sacred space of ancient Celtic religion. Nemeta appear to have been primarily situated in natural areas, and, as they often utilized trees, they are often interpreted as sacred groves

However, other evidence suggests that the word implied a wider variety of ritual spaces, such as shrines and temples
The word is related to the name of the Nemetes tribe living by the Rhine between the Palatinate and Lake Constance in what is now Germany, and their goddess Nemetona.

Pliny and Lucan wrote that druids did not meet in stone temples or other constructions, but in sacred groves of trees. In his Pharsalia Lucan described such a grove near Massilia in dramatic terms more designed to evoke a shiver of delicious horror among his Roman hearers than meant as proper natural history:

no bird nested in the nemeton, nor did any animal lurk nearby; the leaves constantly shivered though no breeze stirred. Altars stood in its midst, and the images of the gods. Every tree was stained with sacrificial blood. the very earth groaned, dead yews revived; unconsumed trees were surrounded with flame, and huge serpents twined round the oaks. The people feared to approach the grove, and even the priest would not walk there at midday or midnight lest he should then meet its divine guardian.

Descriptions of such sites have been found all across the formerly Celtic world. Attested examples include include Nemetobriga near Ourense in northwestern Spain, Drunemeton in Galatia, and Medionemeton near the Antonine Wall in what is now Scotland

Mars Lucetius ("Shining Mars") as Rigonemeti ("King of the sacred grove") and Nemetona are attested in Roman inscriptions in Nettleham, near Lincoln, and at Bath, where a native of Treves erected an altar to Mars Loucetius and Nemetona, in fulfillment of a vow.

A nemeton is in the Roman placename Vernemeton (now Willoughby-on-the-Wolds, Nottinghamshire), in Roman Aquae Arnemetiae (now Buxton, Derbyshire), and in the 1194 reference to Nametwihc, "Sanctuary-Town," (Nantwich, Cheshire

n Scotland, nemeton place-names are quite frequent,[5] as they are in Devon, where they appear in modern names containing Nymet or Nympton, and have been identified with the name Nemetostatio in the Ravenna Cosmography

A well known nemeton site is in the Névet forest near Locronan in Brittany
In Paris, a case has been made for "Namet" in a line of doggerel of about 1270, as the ancient name for the Quartier du Temple on the Right Bank

n Ireland, there was a chapel Nemed at Armagh and another on Sliabh Fhuait

Nemetons also existed as far east as the Gaulish region of Galatia in Anatolia, where Strabo records the name of the meeting-place of the council of the Galatians as Drunemeton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemeton

And to answer the question about why I thought it interesting
is the measurement of the Golden ratio

Sainte Genevieve, patron saint of Paris, was born in Nanterre ca. 419–422
Celtic word nemeto meaning "shrine" or "sacred place" and the Celtic word duros (cognate of English door and German Tür) meaning "door or gate", or "fortress". The sacred place referred to is supposed to have been a famous shrine that existed in antiquity on the top of the hill known as Mont-Valérien

The Romans recorded the name as Nemetodorum

Was Roslin Glen a former Nemeton?

Thanks for putting this up. Yes Jean Markale speaks about the Nemetons of France in his book about the Black Madonna. See Sacred Groves below.

fid-nemed stood for "sacred grove".

Quote:

"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.

As for Roslin (Rosslyn)

Quote:

Whether spelt Roslin - as the village and its neighbouring glen are - or Rosslyn, as the chapel and ruined castle are, the name derives from the Celtic ross (promontory) and lynn (waterfall) that are such picturesque features of the glen; although those of New Age mystical bent hold that the chapel lies on the Rose Line, a major European ley line.

- London Daily Telegraph

Quote:

No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners." - St Eligius

Queen Victoria insisted that the two names (Roslin for the village, Rosslyn for the castle) should be different.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7022

TCP wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Yes those Druids were busy people speaking the true Celtic language and creating Le Cromleck de France

You're likely the only person I know of who still fervently believes that the Druids were responsible for cromlechs. :roll:

TCP

You're not wittering on about that proto-Celtic theme again are you?

Pilrig · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 8:52 am

roscoe wrote:

lovuian wrote:

A nemeton was a sacred space of ancient Celtic religion. Nemeta appear to have been primarily situated in natural areas, and, as they often utilized trees, they are often interpreted as sacred groves

However, other evidence suggests that the word implied a wider variety of ritual spaces, such as shrines and temples
The word is related to the name of the Nemetes tribe living by the Rhine between the Palatinate and Lake Constance in what is now Germany, and their goddess Nemetona.

Pliny and Lucan wrote that druids did not meet in stone temples or other constructions, but in sacred groves of trees. In his Pharsalia Lucan described such a grove near Massilia in dramatic terms more designed to evoke a shiver of delicious horror among his Roman hearers than meant as proper natural history:

no bird nested in the nemeton, nor did any animal lurk nearby; the leaves constantly shivered though no breeze stirred. Altars stood in its midst, and the images of the gods. Every tree was stained with sacrificial blood. the very earth groaned, dead yews revived; unconsumed trees were surrounded with flame, and huge serpents twined round the oaks. The people feared to approach the grove, and even the priest would not walk there at midday or midnight lest he should then meet its divine guardian.

Descriptions of such sites have been found all across the formerly Celtic world. Attested examples include include Nemetobriga near Ourense in northwestern Spain, Drunemeton in Galatia, and Medionemeton near the Antonine Wall in what is now Scotland

Mars Lucetius ("Shining Mars") as Rigonemeti ("King of the sacred grove") and Nemetona are attested in Roman inscriptions in Nettleham, near Lincoln, and at Bath, where a native of Treves erected an altar to Mars Loucetius and Nemetona, in fulfillment of a vow.

A nemeton is in the Roman placename Vernemeton (now Willoughby-on-the-Wolds, Nottinghamshire), in Roman Aquae Arnemetiae (now Buxton, Derbyshire), and in the 1194 reference to Nametwihc, "Sanctuary-Town," (Nantwich, Cheshire

n Scotland, nemeton place-names are quite frequent,[5] as they are in Devon, where they appear in modern names containing Nymet or Nympton, and have been identified with the name Nemetostatio in the Ravenna Cosmography

A well known nemeton site is in the Névet forest near Locronan in Brittany
In Paris, a case has been made for "Namet" in a line of doggerel of about 1270, as the ancient name for the Quartier du Temple on the Right Bank

n Ireland, there was a chapel Nemed at Armagh and another on Sliabh Fhuait

Nemetons also existed as far east as the Gaulish region of Galatia in Anatolia, where Strabo records the name of the meeting-place of the council of the Galatians as Drunemeton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemeton

And to answer the question about why I thought it interesting
is the measurement of the Golden ratio

Sainte Genevieve, patron saint of Paris, was born in Nanterre ca. 419–422
Celtic word nemeto meaning "shrine" or "sacred place" and the Celtic word duros (cognate of English door and German Tür) meaning "door or gate", or "fortress". The sacred place referred to is supposed to have been a famous shrine that existed in antiquity on the top of the hill known as Mont-Valérien

The Romans recorded the name as Nemetodorum

Was Roslin Glen a former Nemeton?

Thanks for putting this up. Yes Jean Markale speaks about the Nemetons of France in his book about the Black Madonna. See Sacred Groves below.

fid-nemed stood for "sacred grove".

Quote:

"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.

As for Roslin (Rosslyn)

Quote:

Whether spelt Roslin - as the village and its neighbouring glen are - or Rosslyn, as the chapel and ruined castle are, the name derives from the Celtic ross (promontory) and lynn (waterfall) that are such picturesque features of the glen; although those of New Age mystical bent hold that the chapel lies on the Rose Line, a major European ley line.

- London Daily Telegraph

Quote:

No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners." - St Eligius

Queen Victoria insisted that the two names (Roslin for the village, Rosslyn for the castle) should be different.

The village was built to house the servants and ag-labs of the castle. Basically Roslin (pronounced Roz-lin) is where the plebs live and Rosslyn for the aristos.

lovuian · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:03 pm

Pilrig wrote:

roscoe wrote:

lovuian wrote:

A nemeton was a sacred space of ancient Celtic religion. Nemeta appear to have been primarily situated in natural areas, and, as they often utilized trees, they are often interpreted as sacred groves

However, other evidence suggests that the word implied a wider variety of ritual spaces, such as shrines and temples
The word is related to the name of the Nemetes tribe living by the Rhine between the Palatinate and Lake Constance in what is now Germany, and their goddess Nemetona.

Pliny and Lucan wrote that druids did not meet in stone temples or other constructions, but in sacred groves of trees. In his Pharsalia Lucan described such a grove near Massilia in dramatic terms more designed to evoke a shiver of delicious horror among his Roman hearers than meant as proper natural history:

no bird nested in the nemeton, nor did any animal lurk nearby; the leaves constantly shivered though no breeze stirred. Altars stood in its midst, and the images of the gods. Every tree was stained with sacrificial blood. the very earth groaned, dead yews revived; unconsumed trees were surrounded with flame, and huge serpents twined round the oaks. The people feared to approach the grove, and even the priest would not walk there at midday or midnight lest he should then meet its divine guardian.

Descriptions of such sites have been found all across the formerly Celtic world. Attested examples include include Nemetobriga near Ourense in northwestern Spain, Drunemeton in Galatia, and Medionemeton near the Antonine Wall in what is now Scotland

Mars Lucetius ("Shining Mars") as Rigonemeti ("King of the sacred grove") and Nemetona are attested in Roman inscriptions in Nettleham, near Lincoln, and at Bath, where a native of Treves erected an altar to Mars Loucetius and Nemetona, in fulfillment of a vow.

A nemeton is in the Roman placename Vernemeton (now Willoughby-on-the-Wolds, Nottinghamshire), in Roman Aquae Arnemetiae (now Buxton, Derbyshire), and in the 1194 reference to Nametwihc, "Sanctuary-Town," (Nantwich, Cheshire

n Scotland, nemeton place-names are quite frequent,[5] as they are in Devon, where they appear in modern names containing Nymet or Nympton, and have been identified with the name Nemetostatio in the Ravenna Cosmography

A well known nemeton site is in the Névet forest near Locronan in Brittany
In Paris, a case has been made for "Namet" in a line of doggerel of about 1270, as the ancient name for the Quartier du Temple on the Right Bank

n Ireland, there was a chapel Nemed at Armagh and another on Sliabh Fhuait

Nemetons also existed as far east as the Gaulish region of Galatia in Anatolia, where Strabo records the name of the meeting-place of the council of the Galatians as Drunemeton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemeton

And to answer the question about why I thought it interesting
is the measurement of the Golden ratio

Sainte Genevieve, patron saint of Paris, was born in Nanterre ca. 419–422
Celtic word nemeto meaning "shrine" or "sacred place" and the Celtic word duros (cognate of English door and German Tür) meaning "door or gate", or "fortress". The sacred place referred to is supposed to have been a famous shrine that existed in antiquity on the top of the hill known as Mont-Valérien

The Romans recorded the name as Nemetodorum

Was Roslin Glen a former Nemeton?

Thanks for putting this up. Yes Jean Markale speaks about the Nemetons of France in his book about the Black Madonna. See Sacred Groves below.

fid-nemed stood for "sacred grove".

Quote:

"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.

As for Roslin (Rosslyn)

Quote:

Whether spelt Roslin - as the village and its neighbouring glen are - or Rosslyn, as the chapel and ruined castle are, the name derives from the Celtic ross (promontory) and lynn (waterfall) that are such picturesque features of the glen; although those of New Age mystical bent hold that the chapel lies on the Rose Line, a major European ley line.

- London Daily Telegraph

Quote:

No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners." - St Eligius

Queen Victoria insisted that the two names (Roslin for the village, Rosslyn for the castle) should be different.

The village was built to house the servants and ag-labs of the castle. Basically Roslin (pronounced Roz-lin) is where the plebs live and Rosslyn for the aristos.

Pilrig thanks for that info
When I was at Rosslyn
there was a grove or a forest around the area

and a very old Yew tree
there is the story of The Bruce and William St Clair were in a hunt and Clair boasted his dogs Help and Hold were the best
Bruce angry bet him the forest of Pentland Moor or his head if he didn't catch the deer. William said a prayer to Saint Katherine and his dogs killed the deer. He was given as reward the Forest.

Pilrig · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2012 9:14 am

I'm not aware of a grove around the area. But as you'll know Rosslyn Glen is wooded. In fact most of the North Esk valley is. Up river from Rosslyn the North Esk flows past the remains of Penicuik House and on the roof of one of that estates outbuildings is replica of Arthur's O'on (oven) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur's_Oven After Penicuik this Esk flows below old Woodhouselee Castle, alleged by Sir Walter Scott to be haunted. Then it pours into Rosslyn Glen, after that the glen narrows and on a cliff above the south bank stands Hawthornden Castle.

lovuian · **Posted:** 18 Mar 2012 3:20 pm

Pilrig wrote:

I'm not aware of a grove around the area. But as you'll know Rosslyn Glen is wooded. In fact most of the North Esk valley is. Up river from Rosslyn the North Esk flows past the remains of Penicuik House and on the roof of one of that estates outbuildings is replica of Arthur's O'on (oven) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur's_Oven After Penicuik this Esk flows below old Woodhouselee Castle, alleged by Sir Walter Scott to be haunted. Then it pours into Rosslyn Glen, after that the glen narrows and on a cliff above the south bank stands Hawthornden Castle.

I guess I should have said Rosslyn Glen is wooded

I know from up on the roof top of Rosslyn I took a picture of a bunch of trees

It wrapped around Rosslyn
So I guess what I'm saying ...it had lots of trees :lol:

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7022

Starts Skellig Michael finishes at Mount Carmel. Pythagoras spent a lot of time at Mount Carmel.

Pythagorians watching the sunrise.

Apollo riding the White Swan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pldzo1Elz0&feature=related
Wear a tall hat like a Druid in the old days

Ride a white swan like the people of the Beltane.

(PS The singer spent a long time at a castle in France)

Mount Carmel

My last paragraph on here will be a quote from Helena Blavatsky:

"THERE are persons whose minds would be incapable of appreciating the intellectual grandeur of the ancients, even in physical science, were they to receive the most complete demonstration of their profound learning and achievements. Notwithstanding the lesson of caution which more than one unexpected discovery has taught them, they still pursue their old plan of denying, and, what is still worse, of ridiculing that which they have no means of either proving or disproving. So, for instance, they will pooh-pooh the idea of talismans having any efficacy one way or the other. That the seven spirits of the Apocalypse have direct relation to the seven occult powers in nature, appears incomprehensible and absurd to their feeble intellects; and the bare thought of a magician claiming to work wonders through certain kabalistic rites convulses them with laughter. Perceiving only a geometrical figure traced upon a paper, a bit of metal, or other substance, they cannot imagine how any reasonable being should ascribe to either any occult potency. But those who have taken the pains to inform themselves know that the ancients achieved as great discoveries in psychology as in physics, and that their explorations left few secrets to be discovered.

ISIS UNVEILED: A Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, published in 1877,

A book of esoteric philosophy, and was HELENA PETROVNA BLAVATSKY'S first major work and a key text in her Theosophical movement.

A Cock and Bull Story :wink:

TCP · **Posted:** 20 Mar 2012 6:14 pm

roscoe wrote:

TCP wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Yes those Druids were busy people speaking the true Celtic language and creating Le Cromleck de France

You're likely the only person I know of who still fervently believes that the Druids were responsible for cromlechs. :roll:

TCP

You're not wittering on about that proto-Celtic theme again are you?

Nope.

TCP

tingra · **Posted:** 20 Mar 2012 6:52 pm

roscoe wrote:

A Cock and Bull Story :wink:

And what exactly does any of this have to do with Rennes le Chateau?
Perhaps you should move it to the misc section where it belongs

You don't want to be acused of hypocrisy now do you?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 7022

tingra wrote:

roscoe wrote:

A Cock and Bull Story :wink:

And what exactly does any of this have to do with Rennes le Chateau?
Perhaps you should move it to the misc section where it belongs

You don't want to be acused of hypocrisy now do you?

Le Chanteclair and the place where God lives (allegedly)

And the greatest story ever sold. ISIS UNVEILED

La Vraie Langue Celtique et le CROMLECK de Rennes-les-Bains.

Age of Reason

Quote:

“Two contrary desires share my heart, glory to publish all that at the great day, and to jealously keep this treasure without ever saying anything. My whole life needs to hesitate and I awake in the same moment that I die….. By the celibacy which is imposed on them the priests are the best guards of treasures than one can conceive…..A priest, because he is concerned [with] Sky and Earth, must meditate on the relationships of astronomy with the geography…..With the difference in the phenomena which should be seen to believe, Cromleck of RLB [Rennes les Bains] is seen only when one believes in it, nothing is really proven there, not even the roulers or hones it posed which will appear readily to the whims of nature.”

- Philippe de Cherisey

A French author Gaston Jourdanne in his book Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude made the following observation whilst Saunière was still alive in 1900. He said:

Quote:

“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

The people of the Aude knew the Judaeo, Christian, Islam doctrines was a lie this included Saunière, born in Montazels.

And his housemaid.

"My poor children if only you knew" - Marie Denarnaud.

François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.

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