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I'm afraid I pay very little attention to the substance of most of you posts due to your hysterical attutude, which is a shame. I'm only contributing to this thread to exchange ideas and points of view. It's this weird internet thing called a forum

No it doesn't say anything about who discovered it and where. On the west side of the RLC graveyard is an underground structure - well hidden today but still there.

Unfortunately, Roscoe is suffering from a mental illness known as Delusion Disorder (in his case specifically Persecution Delusion Disorder). Individuals in the grip of such mental illness are immune to all attempts to logically debate the core claims central to their delusion.

Roscoe has shown himself to be completely clueless over and over again on this forum. His 'thirty years of research' has produced nothing but research FAIL after FAIL, coupled with a chronic extreme reluctance to ever admit that he is talking complete shite. This, despite the best efforts of posters to show him that he is deeply confused...

Sandy recently pointed out to me that Roscoe has been doing this same trick for years. It should come as no surprise then that he is now doing the same re Sheila's observations on 'SECRET.'

This is an interesting island, Roscoe, about which I've been trying to find out as much as I can since you referred to it. I'd just note a typo in that the main town is Saint Sauveur, not Saint Salveur. It appears to be covered in megaliths, as you say (like the island of Bornholm), although there's relatively little in the way of individual information on them, other than on what seem to be the two most celebrated sites - the "Bread Henge" stone circle on the south coast, and the Three Dolmens burial chamber on the north coast, which has a French Ministry of Culture listing (ref. PA00110142), and has been a protected monument since 1889.

The Christianised menhir you posted a photo of is the Menhir de Ker Doucet, located according to the Megalithic Portal at Lat 46.711100N and Long 2.3503W. The list below shows the prehistoric sites on the island with distances and co-ordinates relative to this menhir. I don't know how exhaustive a list it is. The Three Dolmens site I referred to above is called La Planche a Puare on this list. I've put the link below - the ones on the list with an asterisk against them have photos attached, but there is little other detail given. If you're looking for alignments, I would have thought the individual standing stones would be the most promising way forward.

472m N 12° Dolmen de Ker Chalon Burial Chamber (Dolmen)
680m S 187° Chien-a-l'Affut Rock Art
959m S 158° Roche aux Fras Rock Art
1.7km W 258° Menhir de Chiron Lazare Standing Stone (Menhir)
1.9km W 249° Cromlech de Barbe Stone Circle
1.9km SE 143° Dolmen des Landes (Ile d'Yeu) Burial Chamber (Dolmen)
2.0km SE 153° Menhir du Pissot Standing Stone (Menhir)
2.2km SE 129° La Guette Chambered Tomb
2.4km SE 154° Pierre Tremblante Burial Chamber (Dolmen)
2.7km SE 119° Menhir de Vrimonière Standing Stone (Menhir)
2.8km NW 304° La Table de Ker Difouaine* Sculptured Stone
2.9km SE 128° Pierres du Pain et du Beurre* Standing Stones
3.0km SE 125° Menhir de Soux* Standing Stone (Menhir)
3.0km NW 295° Dolmen des Tabernaudes* Burial Chamber (Dolmen)
3.2km NW 305° La Gournaise* Burial Chamber (Dolmen)
3.5km W 292° La Planche a Puare* Burial Chamber (Dolmen)

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=6333923

Incidentally, a small thing, but I found it of interest when I saw it on the Wiki link to the old castle - Le Vieux-Château de l'Île d'Yeu. Georges Remi (aka Herge) is said to have used this castle as his inspiration for the Scottish one featured in "The Black Island", one of the early Tintin adventures, which originally appeared in 1937-38.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieux-ch%C ... le_d%27Yeu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Island

Only if they're moving in the same direction at the same speed.

TCP

An underground structure wouldn't be referred to as a tombeau. They're above-ground monuments.

TCP

In that case it should be easy to find but will be impossible I guess. There aren't many abouve-ground tombeaus in the vincinity. That one at Les Pontils f.i. can't be the one Sauniere had found as it was built in 1903.

Dans le sens courant du terme, un tombeau est le lieu bâti ou creusé dans la roche où se trouve une sépulture. Le terme s'applique plus particulièrement aux édifices funéraires isolés ou aux tombes d'une personnalités importantes.

Nearby a nice example in form of an old postcard: above ground? Not really...

http://www.notrefamille.com/cartes-post ... etail.html

Then why would it have to be découverte - uncovered?

no, i said découverte can equally mean uncovered or discovered.

Then an above ground monument was either discovered or uncovered.

Seems so, but not by Saunière...read the line in question.

Yeah well, I don't think I'll bother, I' don't see the point of a game at the moment (that's Roscoe bizarre job) - it's not that significant information that you can't be forthright about it and for that matter where did you get the reports of storms in the area at that time because I asked that question awhile ago and didn't get a response so imagine my surprise when you announce the weather patterns in that area at that time all this while later. Who sits on a weather report, to make a point?

Thanks Richard for sticking to the thread subject.

Yes L'ile d'Yeu is interesting.

I'll leave the forum to the one trick ponies. No point in persisting.

It's not a game, i spend hours at this and post it up for you all to see, if you can't follow it, well.....I told you, Saunière wrote the weather report nearly every day on that page from his journal...i discussed it.

He wrote Rain, heavy rain, terrible weather, more rain, thunder, rain...it's on the page of his journal i posted up...and i told you that the inondation of the Aude and it's tributaries where the highest ever recorded in the two months of the year we are discussing, Sept/Oct 1891. The weather was terrible, it lashed it down all month.

Sorry Sheila, you are following a strange track here...

1. Why do you count "October" to defend your writing if the tombeau has been discovered in "September"?

2. So "beau temps" means heavy heavy heavy rains?? Please show the days where S really wrote about the tempète you think to see?

3. For the non-french speakers:

- go on google.fr (.fr not .com)
- put in "découverte d'un tombeau"
- see what you get - should be clear then what "découverte d'un tombeau" means

4. Why do you say that Saunière COULD NOT have been the one having discovered the tombeau? The sentence just leaves that point open. "Découverte d'un tombeau" just means "Discovery of a tombeau" - without saying WHO discovered it.

Oh my God, will you guys stop trying to pick holes in everything i write...i was just trying to explain to Rain that we had already discussed the weather because Saunière reported it nearly every day in his diary. September was heavy heavy rain apart from the occassional clear day and by the end of the month the rivers were so swollen that in Oct was registered the highest ever crue of the Aude....That is a FACT. The tempete is the day when he writes about the thunder & lightning and then more rain.

go back and look ....is "Découverte" written with a capital letter or not ? if you are a French speaker that should be all you need to know to answer the question.

i'm in a rush, i'll be back at lunchtime.

Oh yes, O M G ...!!!! Well, useless to continue to discuss.

Au contraire, for the benefit of non-native or otherwise French speakers, please continue. While the actual topic may not be of great import in the big picture, it will be of great interest (well, at least to me) why you both beg to differ.
And if it doesn't hurt the brain too much, maybe some similar examples in anglais?

You're right I was just pissed off at the time when I wrote it. I apologise. You do share it's just from the information I gleened previously it was hot in September but that type of weather pattern can lead to heavy rain and storms.

The page of the journal says...from the top.

September:

9. violent wind, it's bad
10. the wind redoubles in strength, the harvest is damaged
11. the wind continues the same
12. wind the same
13. wind, rain, thunder and lightning
14. (no weather report, as he's very pre-occupied with the deteriorating health of Guillaume which is obviously very bad and worrying him greatly)
15. nice weather, then he's busy with doctors over the next few days
.
.
20. in the evening, Lightning, Thunder and rain
21. découverte d'un tombeau, rain in the evening
22. Rain in the night

lettre de Granes. découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.

"découverte" with a small "d" which means that information came from the letter. If it had been a capital D it would pertain to a seperate item....as in something he had discovered himself.

We have no way of knowing where the uncovering or discovery of the tombeau was...but the information came via the letter from Granes....it was not a discovery made by Saunière himself.

I think it's time this myth got busted open....and laid to rest.

What about the full stop after Granes?

it had been noted thank you.

look at the line above where it says...

le soir éclairs. foudre. pluie

in the evening lightning. thunder. rain