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TCP would say ABS was feeding legitimists who were hiding up the hills.

not with that amount of bread he wouldn't....a large "Boule" complet or a "Miche" is 1.7kg...so three of those a day for a family of 6...plus the workers...seems normal in a French houehold...my question is, why pay the boulanger, why not make your own bread in your own bread oven.

Down in Girona, Maria Tourdes had a great deal of money to manage, she had people to help her

and she traveled abroad to certain banks. Some of the funds were invested in stocks. Speaking of

rebels in the hills, in Girona, Jose Tarres was a freedom fighter who dealt with such refugees all the time.

A simple answer: he did like the taste of that bread a lot ... ... and he didn't like the smell of fresh bread in the house all day long.

Didn't st Pierre burn down which maybe a factor in not introducing a oven at RLC, among other things

St. Pierre was put to the torch by the plunderers not burnt down by an enthusiastic cake maker.....says she who can even burn the scones.

. Bear in mind Pope Leo's 1892 encyclical, however, telling the Catholic faithful to quit balking and to get on board and support the republic. If it wasn't a widespread issue in France at that time I rather doubt the Pope would have found it necessary to issue this encyclical.

TCP,

Isnt it strange perhaps, that Pope Leo then issued that encyclical to 'support the Republic'?

If the very power of the Church was being threatened, as well as the Monarchy, i wonder why Leo asked the faithful to support the Republic?

Perhaps simply because he was a forward thinking Pope maybe?

It may also be the Pope was paying lip service to the government - in which case, there really was no reason for Sauniere to be banned for anti republican speeches in the first place....

It also seems strange to me that a priest in the middle of nowhere would be banned. Its not like anyone would *notice*!.

And how did he get banned? A disgruntled parishioner grassing him up?
But one would think his parishioners would be agreeing with him!!!

it seems to have been René Goblet "le ministre de l’Instruction publique" and Minister of Worship who did the official complaining.
In 1886, la loi Goblet made it illegal for religious members to teach in public establishments....does that include preaching to your flock from the pulpit ?



not that this answers your question though...

he'd probably would have been the one person in the world that didn't

Perhaps the baker used better flour.

TCP

Not if he was looking to soothe bad relations between the Vatican and the Republican government.



The Republic had been a fait accompli for two decades before the encyclical; there was no monarchy to be threatened in 1885 when Saunière got himself into trouble or in 1892 when the encyclical was issued. In that twenty-odd years the power of the Church in France had been neutralized, it was beyond merely being threatened.



Surely.



There's a seven-year gap though. The speech was in 1885 and the Papal encyclical was in 1892. Saunière had been reinstated by then.



Sedition is sedition. Wasn't his speech published?



It seems to me his speech was published, or excerpts from it. Was that not the case?

TCP

It seems to me his speech was published, or excerpts from it. Was that not the case?

I have no idea ...

No it wasn't...you have misread my posts...nobody knows for sure what he said.

perhaps it was the local school teacher that reported him, they had a very volitile (sp) relationship

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosper_Estieu

Normally a village would have it's own four à pain...where is it?...i can't find one anywhere in the village.

Remember that the presbytère used to be two separate dwellings belonging to an "individual/Joe Blogs" and the other half belonged to the mayor/commune and was rented to the Curé who filled the shoes/job at the time...the commune tried to buy "Joe Blogs'" half for ages before they capitulated.

Antoine Artozoul, the Mayor and J.B Rousset, the Deputy, had to make a stairway in the presbetry because the buyer of the other half of the building refused to give a right of way to the priest through his part of the building as the previous owner had allowed him to do.

Does this not say that the priest lived in the portion of the building that didn't touch the church ??

Antoine Tisseyre, the Mayor. the bishop has sent out a circular to the priests that are concerned, on the 5th June 1812, apropos of the priests accomodation by the communes. The mayor said to the council: " the part of the presbetry owned by Louis Rougé, blacksmith at Rennes, has been judged necessary as lodgings for the priest because it's in this part of the building that one finds the kitchen and the oven along with an old outbuilding, because the part of the building that serves as his accomodation is insufficient for his lodgings because there is only one kitchen and one oven in the building.

.....(and when they say four/oven they mean a four à pain/bread oven !)...(we are talking compulsory purchase order because the Priest had no access to a kitchen!)

this shows you that the kitchen and bread oven was originally in the part of the presbytère that was adjoining to the church...the "old outbuilding" in question is the Souillard/wash house that is still there adjoining the gable end of the church......

A la Table de l'Abbé Saunière : La Cuisine de Marie Dénarnaud

one of Marie's supposed recipes...no bread needed!

Is that for a cake?

Consommé is a clear soup.

Sheila,

The share certificate shown above is for a once off issue. It had to be paid for by a certain date (actually it looks like in three tranches if you read the prospectus you posted closely) so if Sauniere was putting out money month after month over a period of years it would not have been for the share issue shown in your post.

Also the issue was in pounds so Sauniere would have had to change francs into pounds. I don't know how well Sauniere kept his records, but you would expect to find bank receipts for the conversions or drafts issued in his name etc. to be paid to the stockbrokers/bankers managing the issue. You would also expect to find share certificates (unless they were later sold).

Really, it was crack at you for disassembling.

I have been looking at the supposed theories surrounding the chimney - fault lines, cisterns, furnaces etc, etc... and just wondering do you have a point and not just about cake and soup Ms. Antionette?

Let's face it baking bread in those amounts would be a full time occupation why speculate on so fundamental a point about weight, division unless you have some other point.

If you're going to make a point how about the alchemy book that mentions something strange about water and fire or how the underground network may actually interfere with just putting a chimney in.

Or is your point about the funnelling of money and Can you prove it and I don't mean hard evidence(for people that don't attend court cases and live in the real world) I mean a substantial Prime facie case?
Perillos website seems to have the same type of questions...

http://www.perillos.com/cisterns_3.html

http://www.perillos.com/cisterns_4.html

The presbytery of Rennes-le-Château
Part 2: There is no smoke without fire

article speculating on the chimney and it's 'tunnel'
http://www.perillos.com/presbyt_2.html

you seem to have missed my first lot of posts that said i thought the money might have been going to Georges Boulanger rather than to the boulanger.

@ hotspur...i posted up the picture of the Share so that people could see that Saunière's payments to "Aux Classes Labourieuses" might have been something more than just to the store mail-order catalogue.
If you care to follow what i posted you'll see that it seems to have been a popular investment at the time for French people who had some spare money to invest.

Could be Sheila, but in terms of the issue of preference shares described in the propectus you have posted, it had to be paid over three payments (it's explained at the bottom of the document). That is the way these things are typically done for subscription issues - payment according to a schedule specified in the prospectus. Of course, Sauniere might have purchased, ongoingly, shares in the company out of the market rather than by subscription to an issue. However, there doesn't seem to be any record of such transactions in his papers, is that correct?

No I didn't(see below). You just needed to have clarified your position.

Let's face it trying to find a link between bread, cake and politics is very Marie Antionette.

ROTFLMFAO! That was brilliant, Rain!

See? Monarchism, pure and simple!

TCP