PAX 681

wayward · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2012 9:08 pm

Or "PAX", Guillaume de Guileville, "Mans Pilgrimmage" c. 14th century, On the latin cross are the letters P for proximo or neighbor on the upright beam, A for anime or spirit at the angle, and X for xkristos or Christ on the upper beam.

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

simple, when you think about it.

Its simple, i guess, if you have the mind for it. I just don't think many of us have the mind for it.

Its not simple, but it is logical ......and fascinating ...

rain · **Posted:** 18 Jan 2012 10:24 pm

Sheila wrote:

Hyperbolos fournit à tous les poètes comiques, sans exception, une occasion constante de plaisanterie dans les théâtres.

Theatre in the round or rotunda?

Hyperbola?

Sundial/gnomon & foucault's pendulum.

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The gnomon is the part of a sundial that casts the shadow. Gnomon is an ancient Greek word meaning "indicator", "one who discerns," or "that which reveals."

In the northern hemisphere, the shadow-casting edge is normally oriented so that it points north and is parallel to the rotation axis of the Earth. That is, it is inclined to the horizontal at an angle that equals the latitude of the sundial's location. On some sundials, the gnomon is vertical. These were usually used in former times for observing the altitude of the sun, especially when on the meridian.

The style is the part of the gnomon that casts the shadow. This can change as the sun moves. For example, the upper west edge of the gnomon might be the style in the morning and the upper east edge might be the style in the afternoon.

The art of constructing a gnomon sundial is sometimes termed gnomonics. One so skilled would be referred to as a gnomonist.

Gnomon may also imply the design paradigm relationship between an indicator and a dial or other reference, as with a speedometer and needle. In this case, the needle functions as a gnomon against the incremented speedometer background.

Gnomon is also a mathematical term that describes the part of a parallelogram that remains when a similar parallelogram is removed from one of its corners.

Also, gnomon is the name given to an aesthetic process utilised by James Joyce in his set of short stories Dubliners, whereby the whole of the character is revealed by a single part.

Anaximander (610–546 BC) is credited with introducing this Babylonian instrument to the Greeks. The Chinese also used the gnomon, mentioned in the 2nd century Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art as being used much earlier by the Duke of Zhou (11th century BC).

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 6:05 am

Sheila wrote:

Pas.... Mouvement des jambes pour marcher qui consiste à mettre un pied devant l'autre....a step.

Pas de tentation
Pas de Calais
Pas de danse
Pas de la Roque
Pas de deux

None of the above mean NO or NONE...they mean STEP.

Bergère pas de tentation = Bergère au pas de tentation

PAX DCLXXXI or PAX 681

Aristophanes Pax 681
The peace of Aristophanes
line 681

This is where Hyperboles (who now governs) is mentioned...and Peace averts her eys and turns her head away in disgust.

simple, when you think about it.

Shepherdess on the brink of being tempted that Poussin and Teniers hold the key, look away in disgust and avert your eyes at the audacious hyperbole.

Um, hold on a minnit...

If we translate pas as a noun meaning "a step", a physical movement of the legs, does that correctly apply to being "on the brink" of a decision not necessarily involving perambulation? Wouldn't one actually say au bord de la tentation to describe being on the "brink" or on the "edge" of temptation?

TCP

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Sheila wrote:

Bergère Pas de Tentation que Poussin Teniers gardent la clef PAX DCLXXXI (PAX 681)

This is really simple.....

Bergère au pas de tentation que Poussin Teniers gardent la clef PAX DCLXXXI (PAX 681)

Shepherdess at the step of tempation that Poussin Teniers holds the key ...

Shepherdess on the brink of the temptation that Poussin and Teniers holds the Key...

Sheila wrote:

Pas.... Mouvement des jambes pour marcher qui consiste à mettre un pied devant l'autre....a step.

Pas de tentation
Pas de Calais
Pas de danse
Pas de la Roque
Pas de deux

None of the above mean NO or NONE...they mean STEP.

Bergère pas de tentation = Bergère au pas de tentation

PAX DCLXXXI or PAX 681

Aristophanes Pax 681
The peace of Aristophanes
line 681

This is where Hyperboles (who now governs) is mentioned...and Peace averts her eys and turns her head away in disgust.

simple, when you think about it.

Shepherdess on the brink of being tempted that Poussin and Teniers hold the key, look away in disgust and avert your eyes at the audacious hyperbole.

How about

BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION

SIMPLY because that's what it bloody well says.

Oh and PAX doesn't mean peace. (except in Latin)

So we go

BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION QUE POUSSIN TENIERS GARDENT LA CLEF PAX DCLXXXI PAR LA CROIX ET CE CHEVAL DE DIEU J ACHEVE CE DAEMON DE GARDIEN A MIDI POMMES BLEUES

French word - French word - French word - French word - French word - French Name - French Name - French word - French word - French word - Latin word - Latin Number - French word - French word - French word - French word etc etc etc

CHEVAL DE DIEU? Any offers?

So are you going to change that too.

How about CHEVAL DE DOO DOO

Horse s__t

Any other FACTS you'd like to change in order to showhorn them into your THEORY?

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 6:33 am

LOL! Learned something new...

"Tentation" is a new variety of apple, developed in France by Georges Delbard in 1979.

They're not blue though...

TCP

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

TCP wrote:

LOL! Learned something new...

"Tentation" is a new variety of apple, developed in France by Georges Delbard in 1979.

They're not blue though...

TCP

TEMPTATION

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 7:22 am

roscoe wrote:

TCP wrote:

LOL! Learned something new...

"Tentation" is a new variety of apple, developed in France by Georges Delbard in 1979.

They're not blue though...

TCP

TEMPTATION

TENTATION

http://www.nztentation.com/about.php

TCP

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6952

Sheila wrote:

roscoe wrote:

CHEVAL DE DIEU? Any offers?

one bit at a time.

Ah! OK I see.

You haven't a clue.

BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION QUE POUSSIN TENIERS GARDENT LA CLEF PAX DCLXXXI PAR LA CROIX ET CE CHEVAL DE DIEU J ACHEVE CE DAEMON DE GARDIEN A MIDI POMMES BLEUES

The whole statement means what exactly?

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

To my mind you cant just take this 'cipher' out of the context of the rest of the POS stuff.

None of you seem to be relating it to the Lobineau Documents etc etc.

How are you going to relate 681 to Cherisey's writings? Why is 681 so important that it appears everywhere in the mystery, even in anagram???????

You cant say Cherisey is a genius at what he did and then dismiss the 'cipher' as some do .....

bergeredearcadie · **Joined:** 07 Nov 2006 11:57 pm **Posts:** 3856

Im sorry Sheila, but i really do have to differ with you here.

Hes not punning at all with the 681 -- it is a mathematical tool which leads you into the whole mystery .....a mathematical tool that explains all the disparate elements that Cherisey throws our way - and which has specific cartographic elements too.

To my mind Cherisey was right - Poussin and Teniers did guard the key - the key is 681 ......without the key most of this is all meaningless.

But i can absolutely see how with all this information Cherisey could have a field day confusing us all, and playing games .....

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 3:29 pm

Sheila wrote:

TCP wrote:

Um, hold on a minnit...

If we translate pas as a noun meaning "a step", a physical movement of the legs, does that correctly apply to being "on the brink" of a decision not necessarily involving perambulation? Wouldn't one actually say au bord de la tentation to describe being on the "brink" or on the "edge" of temptation?

TCP

That's why i wrote it out simply, step by step.....

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Bergère au pas de tentation que Poussin Teniers gardent la clef

Shepherdess at the step of tempation that Poussin Teniers holds the key ...

Shepherdess on the brink of the temptation that Poussin and Teniers holds the Key...

i could have given you.....

pas d'une porte

as an example and i could just as easily have written...

Shepherdess on the threshold of being tempted that Poussin and Teniers hold the key, look away in disgust and avert your eyes at the audacious hyperbole.

it's all the same thing, seems obvious to me.

I'd like to see some other demonstration of the word pas used as "threshold" or "brink" because I don't think it's obvious at all. It only makes sense if it's translated into English, and then only in a very broad sense.

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 3:33 pm

Sheila wrote:

No...just simple hyperbole.

The Hyperbole...isn't that played at the Epitome? :mrgreen:

TCP

Sheila · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 4:29 pm

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

The research equivalent of 'six degrees of seperation' methinks, Sheila. I do however, definitely see were you're coming from, and IMHO de Cherisey set this up to work exactly this way. Perhaps de Cherisey even spotted the association with Aristophanes as well when he used PAX 681, and thought 'nice'... but for it to be the primary meaning, I'd need more convincing. However, it is, IMHO really thought provoking research, I like your style.

And the translation of 'pas' depends on whether it is read an adverb or a noun...I think!

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 5:50 pm

I see where you are coming from with pas being 'on the threshold of' or 'on the step of'. (She is actually standing on a step in front of the tomb.) But what is the relevance of line 681 and there abouts? Can you explain.

TCP · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 6:11 pm

Sheila wrote:

at the edge, or at the threshold of ...."on the step of temptation"

"il était à un pas de la mort" ....he was one step away from death...he was on the threshold of death...he was on the point of death...he was a gnat's baw-hair away from popping his clogs

"L'Iran fait une pas de plus vers la bombe"....Iran takes one more step towards the bomb...Iran is on the threshold of making the bomb...Iran is on the point of telling the US where to stick their rattling sabers.

franchir le pas...sauter le pas......to take the plunge
pas de tir...shooting range or launchpad.

"au pas de la porte"...on the doorstep.
"Au seuil de la porte"...on the threshold.

OK, I'll buy that.

TCP

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but can Aristophane's Peace be associated with a shepherdess?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

RenaissanceMan wrote:

I see where you are coming from with pas being 'on the threshold of' or 'on the step of'. (She is actually standing on a step in front of the tomb.) But what is the relevance of line 681 and there abouts? Can you explain.

Is this a reference to Shepherds of Arcadia? If so, for the sake of accuracy, it is perhaps worth pointing out that 'she' is not standing on a step in front of the tomb AFAIK. The foot on the step belongs to the red robed shepherd.

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 8:13 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

I see where you are coming from with pas being 'on the threshold of' or 'on the step of'. (She is actually standing on a step in front of the tomb.) But what is the relevance of line 681 and there abouts? Can you explain.

Is this a reference to Shepherds of Arcadia? If so, for the sake of accuracy, it is perhaps worth pointing out that 'she' is not standing on a step in front of the tomb AFAIK. The foot on the step belongs to the red robed shepherd.

Yes, you are correct, the shepherdess does not stand on a step. And that was the point of my saying she did.

You would expect that she would if this interpretation is correct. You would expect the literal meaning to be correct if this 'step' interpretation is to be used. Yet another character is on the step, not her.

How about a slight re-jig? Lets look at the Pax play in a broader sense and leave 681 as another clue.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_peacearistophanes1.htm
"Trygaeus, a rustic patriot, finding no help in men, resolves to ascend
to heaven to expostulate personally with Zeus for allowing this wretched
state of things to continue."

Does 'Rustic' ring any bells?
What about 'resolves to ascend to heaven to expostulate personally with Zeus'?

Trygaeus resolved to fly on the back of a dung beetle. Others have used different methods. (So we are led to believe.)

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

RenaissanceMan wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

RenaissanceMan wrote:

I see where you are coming from with pas being 'on the threshold of' or 'on the step of'. (She is actually standing on a step in front of the tomb.) But what is the relevance of line 681 and there abouts? Can you explain.

Is this a reference to Shepherds of Arcadia? If so, for the sake of accuracy, it is perhaps worth pointing out that 'she' is not standing on a step in front of the tomb AFAIK. The foot on the step belongs to the red robed shepherd.

Yes, you are correct, the shepherdess does not stand on a step. And that was the point of my saying she did.

You would expect that she would if this interpretation is correct. You would expect the literal meaning to be correct if this 'step' interpretation is to be used. Yet another character is on the step, not her.

How about a slight re-jig? Lets look at the Pax play in a broader sense and leave 681 as another clue.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_peacearistophanes1.htm
"Trygaeus, a rustic patriot, finding no help in men, resolves to ascend
to heaven to expostulate personally with Zeus for allowing this wretched
state of things to continue."

Does 'Rustic' ring any bells?
What about 'resolves to ascend to heaven to expostulate personally with Zeus'?

Trygaeus resolved to fly on the back of a dung beetle. Others have used different methods. (So we are led to believe.)

RenaissanceMan wrote:

Quote:

Yes, you are correct, the shepherdess does not stand on a step. And that was the point of my saying she did.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

...she who is in Arcadia, was not a shepherdess.

But she who is in the so-called 'Shepherdess Code' is a shepherdess, is she not? Or are you calling that into question as well?

RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 19 Jan 2012 8:36 pm

Sheila wrote:

...she who is in Arcadia, was not a shepherdess.

According to Vergil they were shepherds.

Sheila wrote:

Chérisey probably thought she was a shepherdess. But the shepherdess brings her flock together as one, so who knows.

Are you saying the clue is wrong?

Sheila wrote:

But the shepherdess brings her flock together as one, so who knows.

Well you should know that if they are rams you'll never keep them together for long

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

Chérisey probably thought she was a shepherdess. But the shepherdess brings her flock together as one, so who knows.

So you're guessing that de Chérisey may have thought that Peace (from Aristophane's story) was a shepherdess, and that's why he included a shepherdess in the 'never actually was encoded' code? Because, when considering the so-called 'Shepherdess Code' the only thing that really counts is what de Chérisey was thinking, is it not?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

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Chérisey specifically chose Poussin and Teniers to illustrate the points he was trying to get across, but they encompass whole separate layers of the story.

I agree totally, but in the context of this particular study, we must IMHO try and stick to the 'layers' that de Chérisey actually meant to imply. This is where IMHO the research equalivent of the 'six degrees of separation rule' does most damage...

Sheila wrote:

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i must not get bogged down in trying to reply to things i don't fully know the answer to or understand the implications of, okay

Absolutely ok, I'm just trying to follow your thought process

So,

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Shepherdess brink of temptation, WHICH Poussin Teniers hold the key, Peace throws a quick whisper at Hermes and continues toward the exit...

...to be read as

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Shepherdess [ON THE] brink of temptation, [OF] WHICH Poussin Teniers hold the key, [BUT INSTEAD] Peace throws a quick whisper at Hermes and continues toward the exit...

I see where you're coming from, and I think it's a good catch...

Hermes is a messenger/trickster god. A guide who led the dead into the underworld. And a protector of shepherds (and presumably shepherdesses),

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According to The Routledge Handbook of Greek Mythology, the name 'Hermes' is probably derived from 'herma', a cairn or heap of stones that shepherds put up as a boundary marker. The heaps gradually developed into pillars with tops carved in the shape of Hermes' head. Hermes was also a fertility god, and the pillars sometimes featured a phallus or representation of his genitals.

Anyone remember the 'phallic' shaped stone supposedly painted above the Virgin Mary's head by Leonardo (or da Vinci as he is sometimes known)!

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A lucky find or treasure trove was considered a gift from Hermes.

Hmmm....all very interesting, but is it just another example of 'six degrees of separation' research? btw I don't mean that in a smart-ass way at all...

In this context, I find Roscoe's posts on Lady Anson interesting. Could she be the 'shepherdess' who was on the brink of temptation, a temptation to which Poussin and Teniers held the key?

Regards,

Spartacus

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