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You may find this of interest Jlockest, it's an extract of Jean-Jacques Bedu's book 'Rennes-le-Château - Autopsie d'un mythe.' This was way before my time but i've heard that it was largely ignored, was that the case?

http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/bedu/autopsie.html

This is also an interesting link from one of the forum members Mariano Tomatis:

http://www.renneslechateau.it/index.php?sezione=studi&id=infinite_game

Sheila, what would be the harm in bringing the complete truth about Sauniere`s wealth to the public? He and those involved are gone what`s left to tarnish. Or are you referring to the PoS part of the story?

Yeah I can make out what might be a cave, dark circular shape within a triangular body of rock . BUT I don't think it's the Andrews - Schellenberger ToG site which is (according to them) located in the middle of a scree slope.

I have to say I wasn't impressed with it as a library per se not enough room for books (well for MY requirement that is !). But the real glory of it is on the roof, I mean the views...wow !
Must mention the water tower allegedly built by Sauniere. The Sauniere Society several years back produced an aerial photograph of the village taken in the 1920s and guess what ? No water tower !

Even Stevie Wonder would have seen it ! (let alone the authorities !)

Hints, innuendos , in other words 'obtuse'...too much of that about, the old 'cast not yer pearls before swine' mentality. WTF do they take part in a forum then ???

So, you're suggesting that there is a single over-arching answer to all this?
All the different strands of this come together with one mind blowing earth shattering reason?
Sorry, don't buy it. Far too many variables over 3000 years.
You're saying that there are folk here who allegedly have this life changing knowledge but rather than withdrawing in silence
as you suggest they hang around smugly proclaiming they know a secret or setting up self named Forums with the specific
aim of not settling the matter?

Sorry don't buy it!

TD

A bit like the road he supposedly built up the hill from Couiza. That really would have cost him a fortune.

Yes, quite, couldn't agree more.

Let's hope old Marie Dénarnaud spent every last sou before she kicked the bucket.

TCP

I smell what you're shoveling.

To put down ones theories on here would expose them to attack and everyone knows that it cannot stand up to close scrutiny. The French forums are testimony to this. Better keep an air of mystery, that why you can bulls__t everyone including yourself. It helps if you completely ignore large swathes of other evidence that you cannot shoehorn into your theory. And of course refuse to read anything you consider not to be related. This cap fits you to a tee Sheila as you've actually admitted to this.

You do wonder what ever happened to Maguelonne and Saunière's postal address at 12 Rue de la Juiverie, Lyon. Two doors away from the address of a prominent occultist.

And Claire Corbu's testimony about Marie Denarnaud saying to her:

"You're walking on gold, you can feed the village for a hundred years and you'd still have some left over"

She's on TV testifying this on camera (at 5:45) but hey if this piece of evidence doesn't fit your pet theory then you can ignore it and carry on regardless. Calling everyone stupid who isn't beguiled in the same way that you have been.

But hey it's only evidence. ignore it and sometimes it goes away.



No Sheila, it refers to another Abbé Saunière of Rennes le Chateau don't worry about it.

This thread is toast now.

Never did get to talk about the Cartusian monk and former noviciate amongst the Jesuits of Lyons, Polycarpe de la Rivere and his documents, now locked away in the Vatican archives.

Nobody's interested. Only interested in banging their own drum the loudest.

Oh well!

This information came from Saunière himself after he had been accused by his Bishop.

Here's the list of Priests:



Notice something strange about that list?

They're in alphabetical order. This goes for other lists Saunière compiled.

He never sent requests he simply compiled the list from a Catholic publication, a sort of Catholic Yellow pages. Why would these priests want Saunière, a backwoods cure in the Languedoc, to say masses for them? In supposedly solving one mystery Bedu has created another.

He did this to justify to the Bishop his income, Saunière was happy to push the trafficking in masses myth. Saunière fabricated these lists himself to justify his wealth to his Bishop.

But be that as it may. Saunière is now solved, now all we have to do is do the same for Boudet, De Coma and Gélis, these of course weren't stupid enough to flag wave their wealth in front of the Bishop.

I don't know what the fuss is all about - it's clear it's about geo-chrysomorphosed salamis.

and I gave you a down to earth explanation for this...she bullshitted because she was on her own and scared. She needed someone to look after her in a later life so she used a bait (gold) to hook a fish (Corbu). Then when the pressure was on to reveal the "secret" she has a stroke and is rendered speechless and unable to write...very convenient
But of course that couldn't be possible could it. Too far fetched, eh



no it's not. It's a 2nd hand quote made by an old woman that has never been verified as anything substantial

To be fair, Roscoe, its not evidence really. It's unsupported heresay from a less than impartial witness. It is however one of those quotes that has been accepted without question endlessly because it feeds the mystery.
In the same way the report about the dinner party is third hand, regardless of which language it was said in. Shorn of its original context it can be used and mis-used at will.
Without any consideration of the source, context and meaning they become rather less than conclusive.
Similarly, the water supply, road from Couiza and ten years daily bread (seen any bakers bills?) are 'sacred cows' in the mystery but do these claims stand up to examination?

When these pieces of 'evidence' are examined do they stand up? Just because the name 'Sauniere' appears in the minutes of one Martinist meeting does that define an entire career? Being an 'honoured guest' means he wasn't a member just a guest........

TD

That's a fair point, but if we restricted ourselves to evidence in the "Would this stand up in a court of law" sense, then we would have little to discuss. I think it's more a case of considering the source and context, as you say yourself above, and then trying to gauge the plausibility of what one's being told.

In that sense, the two examples cited above are good comparisons. The dinner party quote recently under discussion comes from Gerard de Sede, who is a very compromised source given his association with Plantard and de Cherisey, who fed him most of his information, and it also relates to a conversation, recounted in direct quotations, that neither de Sede, nor de Cherisey nor Plantard could possibly have witnessed themselves. The Claire Corbu quotation about walking on gold, by contrast, is a first-hand report of a conversation by someone who actually knew Marie Denarnaud, and as such it is far more believable. I know one could argue that Claire Corbu made it up, but there is no reason to doubt her integrity, and so one is minded to believe her, and trust the accuracy of her recollection. Of course, that doesn't mean that Marie wasn't talking nonsense herself, but I think that is what we should be interrogating, rather than the quote, which I have no reason to disbelieve. To return to the courtroom analogy I used above, I consider Claire Corbu to be a reliable witness, whereas Gerard de Sede, I would say, is a less than reliable witness, and so one treats what they say accordingly.

it's much more likely Marie made it up, no?

Absolutely, or else was exaggerating, joking, speaking metaphorically, employing excessive hyperbole, being deliberately elliptical, etc.

But I trust the quote; that's the point of what I was saying.

Well again you just have to take someone's word for it. And an old person exaggerate stories about the past???? Surely not

Indeed Richard.
Another example is the very narrow interpretation placed on the note " saw Cros and secret " . Shorn of context and supportive evidence it can hardly be said to be definitive, unless one wants to push one particular meaning.
The genre is stuffed full of these little gems, repeated and repeated until they become set in stone.

TD

The fact that everyone comes to this forum and the mystery from a different angle makes the whole thing intriguing IMO, it doesn’t really matter what each individual believes because the process itself is a huge learning curve and I think everyone can say that they have read and studied historical aspects that most of there contemporaries haven’t ever heard of. I have learned a lot since I joined this forum and it has taken me to some fabulous places. Also for some people the mystery starts with de Sedes book, or de Cheriseys poem or Lincolns pentagram but I always seem to end up back with the Cholet report and the belief that there are two aspects to the enigma……as he says HERE THERE IS BURIED POWER


The 'baggage' of Blanche de Castile: it is necessary to make a distinction between the treasure of the curé and the hidden treasure of the Regent. I have held in my hands the parchment which deals with this matter and I can say that the underground passages where this 'baggage' is (or was) are something quite separate and do not communicate with the former temple or, if there ever was such a communicating passage, then it has been walled up. On the parchment are two handwritings. One is lifeless and faded: this is the hand in which the main drawing and text are done. The whole document is dated and signed by Brother Dominique de Mirepoix on 29 June 1249. The signatory says that he assisted the Lady Regent in burying her baggage and drew the plan on her orders. The second handwriting is very fine, as if done with a point, and the ink is black (whereas the first is blueish). The text only provides a few complementary indications, such as 'Souterrain remblayé par SMBC' ('Underground passage filled in by SMBC') and, at the place where the baggage was hidden: 'Ici est enfoui la Puissance' ('Here there is buried Power'). This second handwriting is neither dated not signed but is undoubtedly more recent.

Le Hermit and La Loi Salique

The Tour Magdala was called the clock tower on the original plans.
As for the water tower - your looking at it.
What was the ancient way of keeping time at night? And how did they measure the seasons for artificial and natural inundation for agriculture?