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Isn't IBJs Crista sheep pen forum up and running yet? Need to get some quality back into this forum.

Saunière said 'They gave it to me and I used it' meaning they gave him MONEY and he used it. Nothing more nothing less.

I understand your discomfort with reason. It mucks up a good conspiracy theory.

Then the early history of Arles is immaterial to your point. Not sure what you thought you might gain by bringing it up.

Ever hear of something called the fossil record...? That theory wasn't just pulled out of someone's ass (unlike some of what passes for "theory" around here).

You have no records showing anything of the sort.

Yeah, and?

Yeah, and? I see you have no answer for the discrepancy.

Yes, and I believe I've already addressed the one that concerns "dark Maries".

If you're asking why the Latin-speaking Romans called the town Massillia rather than Massalia as the Phokean Greeks called it, I really don't know. You keep asking but I suspect if you had an answer you'd have already blurted it out by now and congratulated yourself. Hence you must keep asking because you don't know the answer.

The Phokeans called the place Massalia after the local Celto-Ligurian natives, the Salians.

Sorry, I don't "do" Vincent Bridges as a qualified source, and the bit about 18th and 19th dynasty-era Egyptians sailing up the Rhone and building forts along the coast is a modern fabrication, designed to enhance the "Isis/Magdalene goes to France" narrative. "Gidget Goes to Rome" is founded on better authority.

Budapest.

A little too early to have any effect on Cathars, don't you think?

The Gnostic social-religious movement and doctrine originated in the time of Peter I of Bulgaria (927 – 969) as a reaction against state and clerical oppression of Byzantine church. In spite of all measures of repression, it remained strong and popular until the fall of the Second Bulgarian Empire in the end of the 14th century.

Bogomilism is the first significant Balkan heresy that came about in the first quarter of the 10th century. Bogomilism was an outcome of many factors that had arisen in the beginning of 10th century, most probably in the region of Macedonia. It was also strongly influenced by the Paulicians who had been chased out of Armenia.

The term Bogomil in free translation means "dear to God", and derives from the Proto-Slavic language *bogъ ("God") and *milъ ("dear"). It is difficult to ascertain whether the name was taken from the reputed founder of that movement, the priest Bogomil, or whether he assumed that name after it had been given to the sect itself. The word is an Old Church Slavonic calque of Massaliani, the Syriac name of the sect corresponding to the Greek Euchites. The Bogomils are identified with the Massaliani in Slavonic documents from the 13th century.

The members are referred to as Babuni in several documents. Toponyms which include the river Babuna, the mountain Babuna, the Bogomila Waterfall and village Bogomila, all in the region of Azot today in central Republic of Macedonia, suggests that the movement was very active in the region.

Buda and Pest, modern Budapest. I hope you're not suggesting that the Fritz Dörge Bank was in business in the early 9th century.

Doesn't interest me in the slightest, sorry.

TCP

The Cathars were spread throughout the area in and around the County of Toulouse, therefore they could just as well have been at Rennes le Chateau as not.---Bill

In Vodou, it is believed that a common depiction of Erzulie has its roots in copies of the icon of the Black Madonna of Częstochowa,

brought to Haiti by Polish soldiers fighting on both sides of the Haitian Revolution from 1802 onwards
The Gypsies
Some Romanies migrated from Persia through North Africa, reaching Europe via Spain in the 15th century. The two currents met in France. Romanies began immigrating to the United States in colonial times, with small groups in Virginia and French Louisiana.

When I was at Rosslyn my tour guide told me Sinclair often had the gypsies stay there once a year

The citizens of Beziers chose to stay put and protect the Cathars. One local commentator writing in 1213 said they would rather 'die as heretics than live as Christians'. On July 22, Mary Magdalene's Feast Day, the Pope ordered the extermination of every man, woman and child within the city gates of Beziers. One crusader of conscience was said to have asked a superior how they were to tell Cathar from Catholic. The reply was direct and chilling: 'Kill them all. God will know his own'.

This is a Vodou charm for Erzulie


Look familiar

roscoe wrote:
Isn't IBJs Crista sheep pen forum up and running yet? Need to get some quality back into this forum.

roscoe wrote:
Saunière said 'They gave it to me and I used it' meaning they gave him MONEY and he used it. Nothing more nothing less.

The 19th and 20th century history shows an interest in the old religions. Saunière's behavior shows his interest in the area and in these occult societies.

Erm! Doesn't show we are descended from Apes. Nice try no banana. That's for chimps.

That's your problem then.

Two semitic tribes have been in conflict as a result. Judaism and Islam. But hey don't worry about it, it won't effect us.

Must have missed it amongst the rest of your drivel. Tell me again.

Well it was the stay-at-home farmers wifey from Limoges who got her knickers in a twist over the name. All of the names mean Marseilles including the one at Limoux. That's the point.

How convenient for you. Is this a recent conversion to the anti-Bridges clan?

So it's a modern fabrication? Your point please. Saunière is a modern priest and the French 19th/20th century occult revival is a modern phenomenon. Methinks you have forgotten what we are trying to do here. We are trying to decide who it was that was giving Saunière money and more importantly WHY.

Only a fool would think that. Oh I forgot where I was for a minute. Yes, maybe that could occur on this forum.

Only a fool would think that. Oh I forgot where I was for a minute. Yes, maybe that could occur on this forum.

When was Bulgaria and Romania separated?

The cutting of the tassels ceremony is a Bulgarian custom. This was performed at Saunière's funeral.

Yes it's all strictly Wicky-wicky-Woo with you. (Hey that rhymes) That's a modern concoction you know.

Saunière said 'They gave it to me and I used it'

wrong again...i explained before what he was actually quoted as saying and the various ways it can be translated into French.

Me l'an donat, l'ai panat, l'ai parat é bé lo teni".

Ils me l'ont donné, je l'ai pris.... or according to de Sède - j'ai mis la main dessus, je l'ai apprêté; et je le tiens bien



the translation and understanding of the word panat is usually not quite explained correctly, because....
panat (volé)...it means to steal.

for example: On m'a volé mon sac = Qué m'ann panat lou sac
On m'a volé mon appareil photo dans le train = M'an panat l'aparelh fòto dins lo trin


Panar, pana "voler, dépouiller". Un visiteur confirme: "pana était utilisé couramment par mon père au sens de "raoubar", càd "dérober" ( to rob en anglais). " Il s'agit d'un mot languedocien et gascon, avec quelques attestations en franco-provençal de Lyon, probablement par emprunt à l'occitan.

To steal or to rob.

and.....

parar = protéger, défendre; garder les bêtes; garde, surveillance (action de surveiller)

From Latin parāre, present active infinitive of parō. (first-person singular present paro, past participle parat)

to stop
to stay, to reside temporarily
to end up
to hold out, to display

They gave it to me so I stole it, I prepared it and I am holding on to it.

It doesn't fit the simple money explanation, not in French or Occitan.

followed up with...



http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopi ... nat#p94559

From this very website.

Boudet spent money he shouldn't have had and gave some to Marie Denarnaud and Gelis' body was found with pots of it hidden around his home.

"My friend, to see you doing so well, one would think you found a treasure"
Antoine Beaux, Abbé of Campagne-sur-Aude whilst attending a dinner party at Saunière's table.

Sauniere replied:

"They gave it to me, I took it, I made it work and I will hold onto it."

He's talking about money. Saunière accused other priests of being nothing but globetrotters spending their money on themselves. He bragged that he used his income sensibly.

"My brother, being a preacher, had numerous connections. He served as the intermediary for these generosities".
Bérenger Saunière speaking about his brother Alfred.

There is no artifact.

Where did the money come from? Jules Bois et al. Jules Bois was the lover of Emma Calve.

wrong again...i explained before what he was actually quoted as saying and the various ways it can be translated into French.

You're guessing.

Evidence please?

He had money we know, he had nothing else.

'They gave IT to me and I used it.' Yeh they gave him money and he used it.

We use money as payment for goods or services. Today people use coins, banknotes (bills), checks, credit cards, and debit cards (the cards used at automatic teller machines, or ATMs) to pay for things. Before money was invented, you could only get something from another person by bartering or trading something else for it. It was hard to make even trades and the deal had to be made on the spot. The introduction of money offered people greater flexibility when trying to get goods or services: it made it possible to put standard values on things, and money could be saved and used for future purchases.

A great variety of objects have served as money for different people around the world. Anything considered valuable by a group and important to its way of life can be used as money. Shells and feathers, furs and cloth, salt and cattle have all been used at one time or another as money, setting the standard by which the value of all other things were measured. From earliest times, precious metals like gold and silver were used as money because they were durable materials that could be easily handled and divided, and they were considered valuable by many groups of people. Carefully weighed amounts of these metals were used as money, a practice that led to the invention of coins in the seventh century b.c. in the kingdom of Lydia-what is now Turkey. Early metal coins were stamped with designs that showed their weight and value, similar to the coins we use today.

Money bills or banknotes came into use around the tenth century in China. Because Chinese coins were so heavy, people started to leave them with merchants, who gave them written receipts that were sometimes used to buy things. The Chinese government soon took over the job of printing receipts that people could use as money. While they are just pieces of paper and not valuable themselves, banknotes became money because they represented valuable things-like gold and silver-kept in other places. Coins, too, eventually became symbols of value rather than actually being worth something-the coins that were once made of silver and other precious metals are now made of combinations of inexpensive metals. The bills, checks, and credit cards that we use today are likewise representative money used because of their convenience.


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Wrong Again Roscoe

Do you get anything right, anything at all?

BTW it's pretty obvious by now you can't speak French or Occitian or any other language associated with RLC.

I've just notice your catch phrase Wayward, on the trail of the Grail.
If we follow your hypothesis - the Grail should be in North America somewhere taken there by Templars before official history.
So why are you spending so much time in France and RLC when one of the basic tenets of your arguments is the grail isn't even in France.
Shouldn't you be digging up North America for some female bones to prove yourself correct?

...and do stop quoting from people who are just quoting from what other people wrote on a website somewhere, that is not research...and stop confusing the donations that several priests in the area received from the Comtesse de Chambord with what Saunière was quoted as saying...if you bothered to read what i wrote in a language that i understand and you do not, then you might have a better understanding of the situation at the time, and that in this instance he was not talking about money.

people who read this forum need to understand once and for all that you, Roscoe, just regurgitate over and over again what you have read on other people's websites. It seems that for the past five years you have been treading water in an effort to stay afloat.

Got any evidence Saunière had an artifact?

Not quoting anyone just cutting to the quick.

Actually, "Nova Scotia", as in Acadia, rain. And yes I have, but it (the grail) didn't move from Jerusalem to the other side of the Atlantic over a period of 1300 years (my premise) by itself. Men carried it, and these links are what I am investigating. Of course this is all only MHO, but thanks for asking.

sorry to interrupt

Got to quote people as I wasn't born in 1891.

Got any evidence Saunière had an artifact?

Not quoting anyone just cutting to the quick.

One such known occasion is when Antoine Beaux, Abbé of Campagne-sur-Aude was attending a dinner party at Saunière's table. He remarked "My friend, to see you doing so well, one would think you found a treasure". To this the host appears to have answered: "Me l'an donat, l'ai panat, l'ai parat é bé lo teni". In French it means "Ils me l'ont donné, je l'ai pris, je l'ai apprêtré; eh bien, je le tiens bien." An English translation would be: "They gave it to me, I took it, I made it work and I will hold onto it."

Thanks for your honesty, so do you miss debating with Roger?

Thanks for your honesty, so do you miss debating with Roger

don't say that too quickly

I think we still are debating with Roger!

"Me l'an donat, l'ai panat, l'ai parat é bé lo teni"

Remind me where this actual quote is sourced from?