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Gallic Druid artifact.



"Coin of Constantine showing the Labarum and the CROSS."

The Crista is on the helmet and a disc (the Crista?) is also depicted
as being attached to the Roman-style cross/Labarum. Constantine used both
the Pax/Chi Rho and the Roman cross as seen on this coin.

Good heavens...sounds travels slowly round here.....keep reading Renne, you're getting there...somehow.

Not quite sure why this needs a new thread however, since it's been discussed & dissected well over a year ago....but then i suppose, you can never have too much of a good thing.

No one posted this coin which actually shows the disc.

I did read the 47 pg. of Pax/Chi Rho and was very impressed.

I think he put the gold disc on the cross to identify the Sun god with the cross.

Tumbled meteoric crystal.

If that is a tektite then it can't have a crystal structure by definition.
What do you actually mean??

Where does it say that it`s a tektite?
That`s a meteoric crystal from outer space.
Perhaps the Crista was adorned with one of these.

Here are some tektites - melted silica formed on impact
when meteorites hit silica sand.

This is a glass scrying mirror. Was the back of the Crista
used for divining? The Crista was an object that could be "used"
and Sauniere was able to make it work.

Constantine the Great.

This ancient bronze Celtic mirror looks as if it could have
been used for more than just a vanity reflective surface.

Scrying by Magdalene

Thank you L.! I remember that painter from art history class. I memorized the
facts but I didn`t realize what I was seeing until you just pointed it out. Do you
remember back in the `80s, there was a therapist who did spirit therapy. He had
a room up in the attic with an easy chair and a full length mirror which was tilted
slightly away from the patient in the chair. The lighting was dim. After meditation, a
spirit of a dead relative would appear in the mirror and console the person in the chair.
The viewer did not see his own reflection since the mirror was turned slightly away.
This therapist was on several TV magazine shows.

Constantine the Great.

I just want to make sure that Tingra sees the Constantine coin,
she was so curious about the Labarum and the Crista.

i have seen the coin Renne
i am not sure what it is you are saying though, that is not the crista its the chi rho and the other cross object is like a Tau. The Crista/labarum is shown on those merovingian coins i posted on another thread. The chi rho is a later representation and the one usualy associated with Constantines vision when it became christianised. The actuall Crista/Labarum is not shown on any Constantine coins and believe me i have seen hundreds of them.

unless of course you unravelled the ball thing on the top and were left with two long strands that hang down at the sides then wrapped them around the curly tail to look like a red serpent

Thanks Tingra, How does the on your coin relate to the Crista mural at RLC?
The design changed but the name is the same.
Did they change your coin pattern into the Pax/Chi Rho? So the Pax/Chi Rho itself isn`t that ancient?

The Crista/labarum is shown on those merovingian coins i posted on another thread. The chi rho is a later representation and


Just out of interest: the Merovingian coins are much later than Constantines 'Labarum/chi rho'. So --- why did the Merovingians - if they had this *crista* not represent it as Constantine did?

Why did they decide to show it as it they did?

How can one make the depiction that the Merovingian show, into an XP?

Pseudo Imperial Tremissis of the first phase of Merovingian coinage.

(Stylised bust of the emperor// Victory with cross and wreath, heavily blundered legend)

but then the next one



http://www.nederlandsemunten.nl/Artikelen_over_munten/A_Rare_Coin_of_Thrasemundus_of_Maastricht/A_Rare_Coin_of_Thrasemundus_of_Maastricht.htm

Aha! So it is stylized, thank you L.

The RLC fresco is another representation of the same theme then.
It`s interesting that it is used in the "Red Serpent".
On the top coin, it looks as if Constantine`s crest is made of miniature
Pax/Chi Rhos and that the "P" is backwards.

The Crista IS the Labarum - oh I see. It was a parade standard to be carried?

the merovingians show the real labarum on their coins, constantine only represented a version of a previous symbol on his coins, dont forget that the chi rho symbol was around before Constantine. Why would the merovingians use a chi rho or xp symbol when they knew exactly what the crista represented and what the labarum really looked like??
The merovingians displayed their trophy on the coins for the world to see and as the coins were displaced with the trade routes so was the message.

Why would the merovingians use a chi rho or xp symbol when they knew exactly what the crista represented and what the labarum really looked like??

Hi Tingra,

I think i worded it wrong.

But anyhow, your question is interesting because i always thought, from Roger and co. that the Crista is shown on the Merovingian coins (sometimes deconstructed, and sometimes as it actually is).

Then why did Constantine feel the need to hide it? Unless he did so because it was a 'hidden' object - and he had to make vague reference to it by creating a 'labarum'.

But that still begs the question as to why Constantine only alluded to it and used Christian /Pagan symbols to disguise it, but that the Merovingians could openly show it?

After all, if you accept Constantine was given the crista at Lendit, then Constantine knew exactly what it was and how it looked, in the same way the Merovingians did.

Didn`t Constantine place the Crista on his helmet?
How could he place a processional standard on a helmet?

Where did the RLC of the Crista sigil originate?

Didn`t Constantine place the Crista on his helmet?
How could he place a processional standard on a helmet?

Where did the RLC of the Crista sigil originate?


Renne:

Constantine placed in his helmet the 'logo' of the celestiel vision he saw. Of course he didnt place the Labarum on his helmet. Just as in the same way the 50 guards that Constantine chose to guard the 'Labarum' had the design of the monogram of Christ painted on to their shields.

You have to ask the IBJ team where they think the design at RLC originated. From the information they have researched I always understood that they believe it to have originated from Sauniere, who was broadcasting the possibility that he had the crista ......

So they painted the Pax/Chi Rho on their shields, or was it the Roman cross?

I can see now that the design on the Merovingian coin is a standard that was carried.

Is that what Sauniere claimed to have? That`s a very large object!

Here is a Pax/Chi Rho Labarum on a coin.

Constantine coin with Labarum, note 3 medallions.
The Labarum pierces the serpent.