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PostPosted: 21 Jan 2012 9:17 am 
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There were books on prophesies and astronomy, including the well thumbed book by Camille Flammarion shown left; surely the view would be distraction from any serious study. Flammarion was a spiritualist as well as an astronomomer and a contemporary of Saunière. He was chosen to speak at the funeral of Allan Kardec, the founder of Spiritism, on April 2, 1869, when Flammarion re-affirmed that "spiritism is not a religion but a science". His spiritualism studies influenced also some of his science fiction writings. Other than that his writing about other worlds adhered fairly closely to then current emerging ideas in Darwin’s evolutionary theory and advances in ideas on astronomy. The "Flammarion Woodcut" first appeared in an 1888 Flammarion publication. His second wife was Gabrielle Renaudot Flammarion, also a noted astronomer. He died in Juvisy-sur-Orge in 1936, a town situated on the Paris meridian.


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Spiritism is a loose corpus of religious faiths having in common the general belief in the survival of a spirit after death. In a stricter sense, it is the religion, beliefs and practices of the people affiliated to the International Spiritist Union, based on the works of Allan Kardec and others. Formed in France in the 19th century, it soon spread to other countries, but today the only country where it has a significant number of adherents is Brazil.


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Each year the Roman peoples dedicated two days (February 21-2) to the honouring of the Dead. On the first day, called the Feralia, all Romans were supposed to remain within their own homes. The sanctuaries of all the

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gods were closed and all ceremony suspended. The only sacrifices made at such a time were to the dead, and to the gods of the dead in the underworld; and all manes were appeased by food-offerings of meats and cakes. The second day was called Cara Cognatio and was a time of family reunions and feasting. Of it Ovid has said (Fasti, ii. 619), 'After the visit to the tombs and to the ancestors who are no longer [among us], it is pleasant to turn towards the living; after the loss of so many, it is pleasant to behold those who remain of our blood and to reckon up the generations of our descendants.' And the Greeks also had their feasts for the dead. 1

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The fact of ancient Celtic cults of stones, waters, trees, and fairies still existing under cover of Christianity directly sustains the Psychological Theory; and the persistence of the ancient Celtic cult of the dead, as illustrated in the survival of Samain in its modern forms, and perhaps best seen now among the Bretons, goes far to sustain the opinion of Ernest Renan, who declared in his admirable Essais that of all peoples the Celts, as the Romans also recorded, have most precise ideas about death. Thus it is that the Celts at this moment are the most spiritually conscious of western nations. To think of them as materialists is impossible. Since the time of Patrick and Columba the Gaels have been the missionaries of Europe; and, as Caesar asserts, the Druids were the ancient teachers of the Gauls, no less than of all Britain. And the mysteries of life and death are the key-note of all things really Celtic, even of the great literature of Arthur, Cuchulainn, and Finn, now stirring the intellectual world.
- The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries, by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, [1911]

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 Post subject: Re: PAX 681
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...Remember that Chérisey lost the plot completely when he lost his love, he didn't joke around anymore and he found it very difficult to lift himself out of the mire which was threatening to envelope him.


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My dear Roseline, who died on 6 August 1967, the feast of the Transfiguration, while leaving the zero meridian by car.


So, you believe that de Cherisey actually had a lover who died in a motor accident on the 6th of August 1967?

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PostPosted: 21 Jan 2012 10:25 am 
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So, you believe.......


hmm... no, where did you get that idea ?


Because, you wrote:

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Remember that Chérisey lost the plot completely when he lost his love, he didn't joke around anymore and he found it very difficult to lift himself out of the mire which was threatening to envelope him.


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Who is Roseline and where exactly did she die, because i don't think it was in the 2 H.P. that described the arc of a moebius strip and turned itself inside out like a glove on the barbed wire it got snagged in before embedding itself in a lime tree...
Roseline was already dead because he saw her on the otherside, where the souls get a panoramic view of everything...and he was puzzled that Anne wasn't there. It took me a while i must say.


When taken together these two quotes suggest, to me at least, that you may believe that de Cherisey genuinely lost a lover, which caused him to completely lose the plot, and threatened to envelope him in mire. I then wonder, of course, if this lost love you refer to had any association with the lover he claimed to have lost in 1967 or indeed, the lover he claimed to have lost in 1968! Is there another lost lover? Perhaps Anne...

I'm just trying to follow...

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PostPosted: 21 Jan 2012 10:56 am 
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btw, nothing personal, but i find it very difficult to reply to your interrogative style...it's not condusive to a discussion.


Well, what can I say to that?

I'd rather call my style investigative and precise! :) But fair enough, you say fiddly dee potato and I say fiddly dee pototo :)

I do realise that some people on this forum like to show that they might know something that other's don't, while at the same time not wanting to divulge what that may be to certain people. That's fair enough, if you did the graft, why share it with everyone? Particularly in this genre, which is notorious for 'plagarism'. But it is a public forum, where what you write, and the observations that you make, are open to discussion. All my own posts are open to the same examination, and I'd be more than happy to answer any questions that I can!

I was simply genuinely wondering if you now believed that de Cherisey did actually lose a loved one in a car accident on the 6th of August 1967? From your subsequent posts, I am under the impression that you do indeed believe de Cherisey lost a loved one in an accident. Do you also believe it was on the 6th of August 1967? Or was it sometime earlier, and his claims about the 6th August 1967 and 1968 are a 'symbolic' recollection?

Btw, no worries if this is too interrogative for you! I merely found it interesting and wanted to discuss it with you, once I had clarified in my own mind what your take on the situation is...

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PostPosted: 21 Jan 2012 1:33 pm 
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The point of encouraging discussion on a forum like this is to nudge people into waking up and undertaking research into these subjects for themselves...and i apologise for my uneloquant english and discussion skills, it's not one of my strong points.


If it makes you feel any better I read three Greek comedic plays - one synopsis on defence of a greek subject - tracked down the work opora of which I had to go to 5 sites for the three paintings choose them - try and find athanasius kircher woodcut which I had lost but substituted - idea being the same. Read a bit about Magica, sophocles, siminodes, phyrne and the aeropagus.
all this till 4 o'clock in the morning.

So thank-you I think :lol: I chose to do all that so I know what it feels like when you try to refine what you study into a few short & snappy posts I think most people know how much work you put in behind the scenes - it's just a few that don't.

So thanks for the thread Sheila, it has really helped.

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Pax 681...I keep thinking of Andrews and Shellenberger's claim that it refers to an altitude sign at Col de l'Espinas. Probably nothing in it but they constructed a thesis and a book around such claims.


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i just hope that it doesn't ruin your eyesight like it did mine...way too much reading... i even seem to scan documents in my sleep, which is good mind you because i can go straight to the page the next morning. :D

Rain what dates did the two "Circuits" get deposed, do you know ?


I'm not sure what you mean?

*GREEK:- There was a Greek temple that was burnt... then a changing of the guard.
Then there was also Paul's speeches to the Aeropagus on Christ and against Idolatry... this converted many.

FRANCE:- Charlemange changes from 2 field system to 3 field system in agriculture. (this isn't deposition though this is reinstatement)
Blanche of Castille annexes RLC from "Pilgrimage route" - Son builds ports for crusades.


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i just hope that it doesn't ruin your eyesight like it did mine...way too much reading... i even seem to scan documents in my sleep, which is good mind you because i can go straight to the page the next morning. :D

Rain what dates did the two "Circuits" get deposed, do you know ?


Well I'm no Rain but...

AFAIK - CIRCUIT dated 1968, deposited in the Bibliothèque nationale 28 June 1971; EL 4-Y-413... is that any good?

What is the other CIRCUIT you are referring to?

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I do realise that some people on this forum like to show that they might know something that other's don't, while at the same time not wanting to divulge what that may be to certain people. That's fair enough, if you did the graft, why share it with everyone?


there's not many on this forum who understand the whole story, in fact there seems to be only one. And i would assume that when the full implications of what has happened, and what could happen again in the future, is a subject far too important to be aired on a quibbling little forum.

The point of encouraging discussion on a forum like this is to nudge people into waking up and undertaking research into these subjects for themselves...and i apologise for my uneloquant english and discussion skills, it's not one of my strong points.

This thread is about PAX 681.....and i don't mean to come over as snappy, that's just how i am.



Fair enough, but I'm sure you'll understand my scepticism that you or anyone else on this forum understands the 'whole story'. I've heard that same claim perhaps one hundred times now (and I mean that literally!), and not once have the varied 'whole truth' narratives offered withstood intelligent scrutiny.

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the version deposed at Versailles in 1967 ?


Well, at least that would seemingly rule out the supposed death of his fellow actress in 1968. Or are the two CIRCUITs different?

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Ok, just read your edit. There were two versions, and does it say that Roseline was added to the later one?

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the version deposed at Versailles in 1967 ?


Well, at least that would seemingly rule out the supposed death of his fellow actress in 1968. Or are the two CIRCUITs different?


That dear boy, is why i'm asking the question.
and yes, my two versions are different but i don't have the whole.


And no...please don't think that i know what this is all about, because i don't....i wasn't talking about myself, i'm just advancing a step at a time.


Lol. We're writing so fast, we are missing each others edits :lol:

And I did realise that was why you were asking the question :D

I'm not as stupid as you suspect...

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« CIRCUIT » est un tapuscrit déposé en 1967 à la Bibliothèque de Versailles par Philippe de Cherisey décédé en 1985 ;

and his love died in '67, not '68.


Ok. Roseline was supposedly killed whilst working as a double on the Television film La beauté sur la terre (1968), a film that also starred Philippe de Chérisey under his stage name of Amédée. So, the filming was the year before, in 1967?

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Chérisey started writing it in '64.

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Circuit , l'ouvrage majeur de Philippe de Chérisey a souvent été cité. Jusqu'à présent, la seule version qu'on en connaissait est celle qui fut déposée en 1971 à la Bibliothèque Nationale. La réalité est plus complexe car ce document, commencé en 1964, a été remanié à de nombreuses reprises par son auteur. Curieusement, dans sa première mouture, Circuit s'appelait Le méridien zéro : Une aventure de Dédé la Pendule ! et son héros ne se nommait pas Charlot mais Dédé. Nous possédons la version originale, très éloignée de celle de la B.N. Elle ne comporte pas encore la partie consacrée à Marie-Madeleine, nouvelle compagne du narrateur, qu'il initie aux mystères de Rennes-le-château, Saint-Sulpice, Poussin. (pages 121-131 du Circuit "Officiel"). Elle compte vingt-et-un chapitres tous différents, tant sur le fond que sur la forme, de ceux de la dernière version (qui, elle, en a vingt-deux) et il n'y est pas encore question des couplets de la chanson du roi Dagobert. Plantard ne s'appelle pas Valérien Ariès mais Basile. Il est le grand maître d'une société secrète appelée le "Poulpiquet" et il conduit une camionnette deux chevaux (Bizarrement devenue une treize chevaux dans Circuit ).


Albert Willemetz - wrote Dede also suggested to De cherisey his name, and died in Marnes-la-Coquette le 7 octobre 1964.
He was a child prodigy, expert in verse yet one unable to read music.
Dede in mythology of the old lady is related to verse & meter.
Flora is the roman goddess beginning the cycle that ends in Pomona. It is proposed that one of her days is August. And she is a sabine goddess melded into Roman diety worship.
Invoked to stop the rust fungus on oranges(or wheat - harvest) and to protect the harvest.
http://www.thaliatook.com/OGOD/flora.html

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Marnes-la-Coquette

Marnes-la-Coquette (prononcé [maʁnə la kokɛt̪] ) est une commune française, la moins peuplée des communes du département des Hauts-de-Seine de la région Île-de-France. Située à l'ouest de Paris, entre le parc de Saint-Cloud et la forêt de Fausses-Reposes, cette commune très boisée s'est développée autour du domaine de Villeneuve-l'Étang ayant appartenu à Napoléon III. Elle a conservé le charme et le calme des villages d'autrefois.


As for circuit - don't know about when it is filed in versailles but there is notation at the top of the front page people keep posting that reads 'oct 71.

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Perhaps "Anne" indeed...i think she was the one in the car..."Roseline" was already dead at the time of the accident.


While my previous post is confusing - (I need to check this) Chaumeil still states and I have seen elsewhere on french forums the fact the de Cherisey did lose a girlfriend but that it may have been earlier on - he then loses his friend/mentor, and that is date he utilises in Circuit but the sentiment is of love.

Albert Willemetz also worked with Maurice Chevalier among others.

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« CIRCUIT » est un tapuscrit déposé en 1967 à la Bibliothèque de Versailles par Philippe de Cherisey décédé en 1985 ;

and his love died in '67, not '68.


On the Feast of the Transfiguration don't forget the Feast of the Transfiguration. One always remembers the particular religious feast date when one has a bereavement. :wink:

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PAX 681 is Chérisey's work, not Saunière's.


"...Après un long sommeil, les mêmes hypothèses ressuscitent, sans doute nous reviennent-elles avec des vêtements neufs et plus riches, mais le fond reste le même et le masque nouveau dont elles s'affublent ne saurait tromper l'homme de science..."

Abbé Th. Moreux. Directeur de l'Observatoire de Bourges.


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Yes but we read on:

"Grâce à lui, désormais à pas mesurés et d'un oeil sur, je puis decouvrir les soixante-quatre pierres dispersées du cube parfait que les Frères de la BELLE du bois noir échappant à la poursuite des usurpateurs, avaient semées en route quant ils s'enfuirent du Fort blanc."

"Rassembler les pierres éparses, oeuvrer de l'équerre et du compas pour les remettre en order régulier, chercher la ligne du méridien en allant de l'Orient à l'Occident, puis regardant du Midi au Nord, enfin en tous sens pour obtenir la solution cherchée, faisant station devant les quatorze pierres marquées d'une croix. Le cercle étant l'anneau et couronne, et lui le diadème de cette REINE du Castel"

"Les dalles du pavé mosaïque du lieu sacré pouvaient-être alternativement blanches ou noires, et JESUS, comme ASMODEE observer leurs alignments , ma vue semblait incapable de voir le sommet où demeurait cachée la merveilleuse endormie. N'étant pas HERCULE à la puissance magique, comment déchiffrer les mystérieux symboles gravés par les observateurs du passé. Dans le sanctuaire pourtant le bénitier, fontaine d'amour des croyants redonne mémoire de ces mots : PAR CE SIGNE TU le VAINCRAS."

"De celle que je désirais libérer, montaient vers moi les effluves du parfum qui imprégnèrent le sépulchre. Jadis les uns l'avaient nommée : ISIS, Reine des sources bienfaisantes, VENEZ A MOI VOUS TOUS QUI SOUFFREZ ET QUI ETES ACCABLES ET JE VOUS SOULAGERAI, d'autres : MADELAINE, au célèbre vase plein d'un baume guérisseur. Les initiés savent son nom véritable : NOTRE DAME DES CROSS."

"J'étais comme les bergers du célèbre peintre POUSSIN, perplexe devant l'enigme : "ET IN ARCADIA EGO..."! La voix du sang allait-elle
me rendre l'image d'un passé ancestral. Oui, l'éclair du génie traversa ma pensée. Je revoyais, je comprenais ! Je savais maintenant ce secret fabuleux. Et merveille, lors des sauts des quatre cavaliers, les savots d'un cheval avaient laissé quatre empreintes sur la pierre, voilà le signe que DELACROIX avait donné dans l'un des trois tableux de la chapelle des Anges. Voilà la septième sentence qu'une main avait tracée : RETIRE MOI DE LA BOUE, QUE JE N'Y RESTE PAS ENFONCE. Deux fois IS, embaumeuse et embaumée, vase miracle de l'éternelle Dame Blanche des Légendes."

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"The Beauty in the sleeping wood"by CHARLES PERRAULT

His brother was involved in marking the Paris meridian

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You'll remember that Colbert took over from Nicolas Fouquet after they had him arrested by a man called D'Artagnan. It was Bernini who had designed the sundial circle around the obelisk (taken from Heliopolis - Sun City) in St Peter’s square that had been copied by Saunière in his garden along with the phrase CHRISTUS AOMPS DEFENDIT.

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Abbé Th. Moreux. Directeur de l'Observatoire de Bourges.
(you forgot page 10, de livre L'ALCHIMIE MODERNE.)

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Bourges Cathedral is on the Paris Meridian AND the St Michael/Apollo line.

Other books by Abbé Th. Moreux

Le ciel et l'univers

L'Astronomie

But hey it's ALL coincidence. :wink:

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Blanche de Castille is buried near here. That's Paris on the horizon

What was it she said after ordering the attack on Montsegur in 1244?

"We must remove the head of the Dragon"

But hey don't worry about it.

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What was it she said after ordering the attack on Montsegur in 1244?

"We must remove the head of the Dragon"

But hey don't worry about it.
Oh and by the way


Blanche de Castille is buried here. That's Paris on the horizon

What was it she said after ordering the attack on Montsegur in 1244?

"We must remove the head of the Dragon"



But hey don't worry about it.


Cheers & I won't worry about it - and Happy New Year to you Roscoe and Everyone - that's the Chinese Lunar calender in case you didn't know.
It is year of the Black Water Dragon. It is the Dragon's back that runs through Vietnam that my family will be visiting this year.
Well anyway - maybe you could try and work out what the Dragon really means this year, it's all about context.

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rain wrote:
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What was it she said after ordering the attack on Montsegur in 1244?

"We must remove the head of the Dragon"

But hey don't worry about it.
Oh and by the way


Blanche de Castille is buried here. That's Paris on the horizon

What was it she said after ordering the attack on Montsegur in 1244?

"We must remove the head of the Dragon"


But hey don't worry about it.


Cheers & I won't worry about it - and Happy New Year to you Roscoe and Everyone - that's the Chinese Lunar calender in case you didn't know.
It is year of the Black Water Dragon. It is the Dragon's back that runs through Vietnam that my family will be visiting this year.
Well anyway - maybe you could try and work out what the Dragon really means this year, it's all about context.


Yes don't want you worrying

It was the idea of this man.

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Bro Jeremy Ladd CROSS - Scottish Rite Freemason. Masonic writer.

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NOTRE DAME DES CROSS
Drawn by Jeremy Ladd CROSS.

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I am aware of the scent of the perfume which impregnates the sepulchre of the one I must release. Long ago her name was ISIS, Queen of the benevolent springs, COME TO ME ALL YOU WHO LABOUR AND ARE HEAVY LADEN AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST. Others knew her as MAGDALENE with the celebrated vase full of healing balm. The initiates know her to be NOTRE DAME DES CROSS.
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"Masonry still retains among its emblems one of a woman weeping over a broken column, holding in her hand a branch of acacia, myrtle, or tamarisk, while Time, we are told, stands behind her combing out the ringlets of her hair. We need not repeat the vapid and trivial explanation... given, of this representation of Isis, weeping at Byblos, over the column torn from the palace of the King, that contained the body of Osiris, while Horus, the God of Time, pours ambrosia on her hair."

Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
Morals and Dogma, page 379


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PostPosted: 22 Jan 2012 11:53 am 
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roscoe wrote:
The man they called The Sphinx.

But hey Worry Not!!


I'm seeing a pattern here, people that think they're imaginary animals - but I'm not worried Roscoe - I know you're on the case.
Do I see Bees - they're real - lucky. Good job Roscoe you've saved the day.

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rain wrote:
roscoe wrote:
The man they called The Sphinx.

But hey Worry Not!!


I'm seeing a pattern here, people that think they're imaginary animals - but I'm not worried Roscoe - I know you're on the case.
Do I see Bees - they're real - lucky. Good job Roscoe you've saved the day.


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"Mon émotion fut grande, "RETIRE MOI DE LA BOUE" disais-je, et mon réveil fut immédiat. J'ai omis de vous dire en effet que c'était un songe que j'avais fait ce 17 JANVIER, fête de Saint SULPICE. Par la suite mon trouble persitant, j'ai voulu après réflexions d'usage vous le relater un conte de PERRAULT. Voici donc Ami Lecteur, dans les pages qui suivent le résultat d'un rêve m'ayant bercé dans le monde de l'étrange à l'inconnu. A celui qui PASSE de FAIRE LE BIEN !"

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Sheila wrote:
PAX 681 is Chérisey's work, not Saunière's.


"...Après un long sommeil, les mêmes hypothèses ressuscitent, sans doute nous reviennent-elles avec des vêtements neufs et plus riches, mais le fond reste le même et le masque nouveau dont elles s'affublent ne saurait tromper l'homme de science..."

Abbé Th. Moreux. Directeur de l'Observatoire de Bourges.


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Le problème solaire / par Abbé Th. Moreux ; préface de Camille Flammarion.

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Camille Flammarion's book in the museum of Rennes le Chateau that once belonged to Saunière.

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Moreux et son maître Flammarion

Dès 1891, l'abbé Moreux qui se passionne de plus en plus pour l'astronomie envoie ses premières observations au grand Camille Flammarion, un homme qui fait autorité en France, vulgarisateur avec son "Astronomie Populaire" et il est à l'origine de la Société Astronomique de France.

Moreux observe et dessine. Il a observé Saturne et son satellite Titan. Flammarion est très vite intéressé par les notes et croquis de Moreux, plus jeune de 40 ans ! Moreux dessine très bien.

Flammarion invite Moreux avec Antomiadi à Juvisy à son laboratoire en 1893, il utilise une lunette de 24 centimètres de diamètre. Il se lie aussi avec Antomiadi et Quenisset, deux jeunes astronomes. Cette même année, Moreux devient membre de la Société d'Astronomie de France.

Il écrit à son départ de Juvisy :

"Après nous être reposés quelques heures, nous reprenions avec mon compagnon le chemin de Paris, regrettant de ne pouvoir, à cause de l'heure trop matinale, vous remercier du charmant et bienveillant accueil que nous avions reçu à l'observatoire de Juvisy".

mais pour observer il faut du matériel et ce matériel, une lunette par exemple coûte cher. C'est Mgr Boyer qui lui offre une lunette de 75 mm d'ouverture en remplacement de celle qu'il possédait.

Il observe Mars, soutenu par Flammarion, c'est une vraie amitié. En décembre 1895, Moreux achète une nouvelle lunette, "Mailhat" de 108 millimètres d'ouverture qu'il installe à Bourges, c'est son premier matériel vraiment performant.

1896, il vit avec Mars, et entre dans le réseau des savants du monde qui observent la planète rouge et ils mettent en place un échange de documents sur leurs observations, "Internet avant la lettre". Il critique le mouvement canaliste car on est à l'époque des canaux sur Mars. la controverse le rend célèbre.

mais son "aventure scientifique" avec Flammarion prend fin à partir de 1908, sans que l'on sache aujourd'hui les raisons de cette rupture.

Les hypothèses son nombreuses, c'est peut être un problème "bêtement " financier car Moreux voulait construire un observatoire à Bourges, il avait acheté le terrain, mais n'avait pas d'argent pour la construction, et Flammarion avait lancé une souscription qui n'avait pas bien fonctionné.

Autre hypothèse plus philosophique, le curé et "le laïque" ne s'entendaient peut être plus. Mais c'est aussi l'approche de phénomènes plus ésotériques qui pourrait être à l'origine de cette brouille.


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Cheers & I won't worry about it - and Happy New Year to you Roscoe and Everyone - that's the Chinese Lunar calender in case you didn't know.
It is year of the Black Water Dragon. It is the Dragon's back that runs through Vietnam that my family will be visiting this year.
Well anyway - maybe you could try and work out what the Dragon really means this year, it's all about context.


I am remiss...

Chúc mừng năm mới! 新年快乐

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Sheila wrote:
Abbé Moreux also wrote very succinctly.....


Les convulsions de la Terre

" Les plains qui s'entrouvrent creusent un tombeau aux sommets, poussant par leurs grottes et leurs baumes des râlements de mort :
nulle ville ne s'y ruine plus, nul bois ne s'y échevelle ; ce sont les gémissements d'un monde à l'agonie. "


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Theophilus Moreux said the abbot Moreux ( Argent-sur-Sauldre , 20 November 1867 - Bourges , 13 July 1954 ) is an astronomer and meteorologist, famous for many popular publications designed to publicize the state of science in the early the twentieth century to the widest possible audience.

Biography

Louis Théophile Moreux born in 1867 of Jean-Baptiste Moreux (1836-1892) teacher at Silver-sur-Sauldre , and a very religious mother, Eugenie Marie Morin (1845-1934). His father being appointed to the Chapelle-Saint-Ursin , where he made ​​his primary classes.

In 1879, he joined the school in Bourges , and in 1883, the seminary Saint-Celestin, then a few years later, at the Major Seminary of Bourges .

In 1889 he was appointed professor of mathematics at St. Celestine in Bourges (now Lycée Jacques-Heart), then to 24 in 1891, he was ordained priest and teaches at the seminary as a professor of science and mathematics ( until 1906). In 1892 he became secretary to Bishop Boyer , future cardinal and archbishop of Bourges , then Canon Emeritus of the Cathedral .

In 1893, he joined the Astronomical Society of France where he comes into contact with Camille Flammarion , a relationship of fifteen years from 1896.

In 1899, he founded his first astronomical observatory that will install the seminary Saint-Celestin. In 1907 he built his own observatory in the street Ranchot 22. He lectured widely to get the necessary financial support for the construction of the observatory and the purchase of instruments, glasses, telescope.

He participated in numerous scientific expeditions to observe total eclipses of the Sun (1900 Elche , 1905 Sfax ) and is regularly rated at the Academy of Sciences to present his theories and observations in March and the sun .

On 1 February 1921 , he was named Chevalier of the Legion of Honour , in respect of Public Instruction.

During the Second World War , Father Moreux, without proof, but in public openly criticizing Hitler and the Germans , was arrested in Paris at the age of 76, is imprisoned in Fresnes and transferred to Bourges to Bordiot prison (where he met Alfred Stanke ). He was released after six weeks in prison, and resumed its activities.

He died on 13 July 1954 at his home (55 rue de Beaumont, Bourges ), two months after watching his last eclipse of the sun. He was buried in Aubigny-sur-Nere , in the family vault
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