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Do you think Anything is going to happen on 11/11/11
Just like any other day 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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Oh hell, you may as well have Part Two while we're at it:

http://www.mania.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2495.html

WHO REAPS THE WINDFALLS OF WAR?



This is a short study on the demons and angels who are fighting pro et contra for the everyone's right to live in peace and harmony instead of as slaves in a corporatist land of bloodshed for the enormous profit of an elitist group of managers and politicians!



Yugoslavia and Iraq were their victims; your country may be next! Beware the Freemasonic globalists, they come in many shapes and sizes but they are all demonic not democratic!

It’s very peculiar how some events may look like they are without any mutual connections or wide repercussions, at least at the very first sight. Then, suddenly some new information appears causing the event to sprout legs and leads to a larger truth.... But, behind every event are people. What people, one may ask? The people we will speak up about in this short study are diverse but they are never honest or moral persons. Most of them, we'll show later are criminals and warmongers and some are even US Congressmen, Jesuit Bishops, politicians, members of the press, and corporate officers. Let us not forget also the covert Satanists and feared secret organizations like Opus Dei. There are also the agents, small time crooks used as cats’ paws by their masters: the Freemasonic agent Maurice Alexander, together with his associate the “British journalist” Jeff Picket and their mentor Christine Dolan (ex CNN political editor), all of them manipulated and dragged along the murky waters of intrigue by huge corporations and their operatives who stand with one leg in the White House and the other in almost every war on this planet! They are usually nameless, but every once in a while, they can be identified. One such is the person who has been described as the "manager of the windfalls of war" and his name is CHARLIE BLACK!

Well, let us first go back and try to define the genuine beginnings. Popular author and crypto Mason, Dan Brown alludes mistakenly to the Renaissance, as the beginning of this titan struggle but it is much older. It all started in ancient times, a century or two after Christ. But in modern times, the struggle took on new dimensions when the infamous CIA perfected mind control techniques. Before long these methods were copied and used by Opus Dei agents, radical Marxists and secret Masons who eventually transferred them into hands of radical feminist groups. From that time the sexual revolution, blackmailing, kidnapping and taking over religious organizations became the usual practice. More sophisticated methods yet were used to break up families and poured into the creation of false religious apparitions all for the purpose of mind control and indoctrination of our children into the homosexual lifestyle and many more perverse activities. Through Opus Dei and those elements linked to the Vatican Bank, these indoctrination methods came to the Bosnian Franciscans and their priest-psychologist, Slavko Barbaric, in Medjugorje.

Let us explain in more details what indeed happened and who is who in this evil fresco...First we must explain who are the GREENS and who are the BLUES. The Greens are official circles representing the true Church, in a word traditional Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians and by definition certain noble families like the Houses of Braganca and Karadordevic who may claim the divine right of kings, directly passed from the King of Kings, Jesus Christ himself. Green represents bountifulness, hope and the victory of life over death. It is the color of Christmas, Easter and Epiphany.

The Blues are sworn enemies of the Greens and are better known as the Freemasons who belong to the so called the Blue Lodge. They represent the forces of the occult and necromancy. They are the cult of death: abortion, genocide, and sodomy.

From the early days around III or IV Century AD, until nowadays certain secret groups inside Vatican dedicated their efforts to minimize the influence or existence of all groups who claimed to be keepers of ancient proofs that Jesus had living heirs among noble families throughout Europe. These insidious groups often found temporary favor with the reigning Pope until their plots were unmasked, i.e. the Knights Templar. So far the most powerful tool of the Blues is OPUS DEI. It controls great wealth and has members inside governments, corporations and the Vatican who follow its orders without question. High ranking Opus Dei agents carry so called "CILICE" a belt with iron parts which force body to bleed after every move in order to keep agent's mind in a properly brain washed mode and to remind them of who and what they serve.

Now by way of background for what will come next, the Blues have attacked simultaneously on two seemingly obscure fronts. The first is the little Bosnian village of Siroki Brijeg where there is a profane shrine manned day and night by Franciscan monks disloyal to the Vatican. The foul sacrifices made on the altars there are not to the Christian God but to the false Gospa, the so-called mother Goddess also known through the ages as Astarte, Astaroth, Ishtar, and Sophia. It is this secret pagan shrine that fuels the delusions that wrack innocent pilgrims at nearby Medjugorje. What the ceremonies there consist one may only speculate but descriptions of the black mass are fairly consistent. The second point of attack targets one specific noble family: the Portuguese Royal family of Braganca. False bishop Pavel Maria Hnilica supervises both operations. Hnilica of course is best known for his involvement in the Roberto Calvi case in which one of the Blues own agents was murdered before a massive plot against the Vatican could be fully exposed.

Hnilica’s agents are the former priest Jozo Zovko in Bosnia and the Englishman, Maurice Alexander for destroying the Braganca family. These are not simple operations. Zovko who takes credit for destroying Yugoslavia through the profane Ustasha Gospa, continues to quietly do the work of Ante Pavelic in Bosnia. The Ustasha Gospa is used to raised multimillions of Euros every years from unsuspecting pilgrims. This money then funds the Croat militias and the so-called Republic of Herceg-Bosna.

Alexander for his part needed to destabilize the Knights of St. Michael, the traditional defenders of Portuguese royal family and their trusted associates Mr. Phillip Kronzer and The Duke of Braganca`s secretary Mr. Carlos Evaristo. This story includes the dirty role of one plumber, Rick Salbato, who is under the delusion that he will be the king of Europe blessed by the Otto von Habsburg! Hnilica used these agents to create a grand chaos in Europe and to try to form a new nation, so called the “Catholic” Nation Country...this sort of chaos and disinformation is one factor that led to the defeat of the recent EU constitution referendum in France and Holland. Compared to this imaginary country of Salbato; Germany during Hitler’s rule was a democracy! Oh, we forgot to tell: all of them, Hnilica, Salbato, Zovko, Alexander are agents of Opus Dei and members of the Blues.

Now follows the brilliant LINK, proofed and checked and viewed and brought to the Fokus team by let’s say the close relative of Deep Throat, who by chance was placed in the Balkans by his government in the 1990’s. During the Bosnian war, which ended after the Dayton agreement (1995), some of our above “friends” were operating there. Why? Well, just as simple: to enter into the mafia network and to "earn" some pocket money from criminal lords who just moments before were the warlords. It was Maurice Alexander who with Jeff Pickett arranged very odd financial contracts and merged all Balkan mafia groups moving them into higher a criminal level. At this time in Bosnia operated Christine Dolan was supposedly investigating the Mafia for the UN.

It is certainly interesting to compare Ms. Christine Dolan the once famous CNN editor at the very beginnings of her career when she was sincere and later when she was deeply addicted to alcohol and even later when her criminal activities included blackmailing and money laundering.

In a nutshell: Dolan touting her CNN credentials and connection to the rich and famous like newswoman Connie Chung, actor Robert Duvall, and CNN mogul Ted Turner proposed to Kronzer that she alone could unmask the Franciscans of Bosnia and Medjugorje as the agents of Balkan child trafficking. Dolan went to Medjugorje and discovered orphans and babies could be bought from the “holy” monks there. However, Dolan was weak, and through Pickett and Alexander she was turned against Kronzer. Dolan simply walked away from Kronzer with all her information and refused to account for the hundreds of thousands of dollars Kronzer gave her.

Then a very strange thing happened. Kronzer sued Dolan in a series of lawsuits and won judgments totalling $285,000. Dolan however never one to worry about the consequences of immoral behavior simply changed the name of her organization to the Global Campaign to End Human Trafficking NOW and continued taking money from others.

ENTER CHARLIE BLACK

It is really amazing how a slick Washington insider like Black became involved with a vodka addled hack like Dolan. Charlie Black is a well known but secretive individual. Pictures of him are hard to come by, Fokus could find none yet he was and is friend and confident to both President Bushes, the late Ronald Reagan as well as the infamous like the late Angolan war criminal Jonas Savimbi and Reverend Sun Myung Moon.

For reasons best known to Black who heads a lobbying outfit called BKSH he agreed to become the chairman of Dolan’s new front organization, The Global Coalition to End Human Trafficking NOW. Kronzer learned of this and sued Dolan and the organization that included Black as chairman. Dolan then accused Kronzer of terrorism but it was too late, the case was in federal court. Black was thought to be the smoothest of smooth, the ultimate fix it man in Washington, and his clients include the governments of Haiti, Equatorial Guinea, Colombia, and Puerto Rico but his luck seems to have run out as of late. We do not think Mr. Black is so welcome at the White House anymore; his affiliations are not to the Republican Party but to the globalist faction, just look at his latest round of intrigues.

Before the Dolan fiasco there was Ahmad Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress. These two provided the false data used to justify the war in Iraq. They were both clients of BKSH and Black! CIA asset Francis Brooke worked for BKSH Associates, according to the London Independent. Brooke is wanted in Iraq for obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting to hinder a search of a residence in Baghdad last month. Brooke worked as an American handler for Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress, which received funding from the Pentagon.

A simple Google search connected BKSH to WPP, a mega firm tied to Republican operative Charlie Black Jr. And who is WPP? WPP and Stonebridge International LLC formed a joint venture -- Civitas Group LLC -- to go after lucrative homeland security contracts. Stonebridge is headed by Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, the Clinton administration's national security advisor. The advisory board includes former Republican Senator Warren Rudman and veteran national security expert Richard A. Clarke, whose recently published book was critical of the Bush administration's national security strategy. Clarke's company Good Harbor Consulting is also tied to the Civitas Group.

That Brooke, Chalabi's American aide, was working for BKSH suggests that Chalabi’s fall from grace at the Pentagon has something to do with his dealings with these free-lance, private-sector, spook-for-hire operations. None of this has been reported in the American press. It falls too close to exposing a globalist plot to destabilize America.

Poor Charlie what a mess! End Global Human Trafficking NOW’s Chairman Charlie Black, is an old Bush family friend and prominent Republican lobbyist whose firm is affiliated with Burson Marsteller, the global public relations giant. Black was a key player in the Bush/Cheney 2000 campaign and together with his wife raised $100,000 for this year's reelection campaign. BKSH and Black continue to make big money, billions for their corporate clients in Baghdad as so called door openers.

But Dolan and Chalabi were not Black’s only recent mistakes. There was the coronation of the infamous Reverend Moon. Charlie Black on the host committee rounded up prominent US Congressman, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA.), Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah), and Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) to witness the coronation of Reverend Moon. According to political commentator, John Gorenfeld:

Americans should be concerned that on March 23rd a bipartisan group of Congressmen attended a coronation at which a billionaire, megalomaniac was declared to be the Messiah – with royal robes, a crown, the works? Or that this imperial ceremony took place not in a makeshift basement church or a backwoods campsite, but in a Senate office building?

But this is not the first time, the Congress has been misused, Congressmen Tom Lantos and Chris Smith have honored the false Gospa and her supporters in recent years. The very same Chris Smith who Dolan claimed to Kronzer was a close associate of hers according to the Kronzer lawsuit.

What was in Charlie Black’s mind when he teamed up with Dolan? Did he really think he was helping children? Perhaps he felt the need to atone for supporting the mass murderer Jonas Savimbi in the civil war, which resulted in 500,000 deaths including tens of thousands of children

Or maybe Charlie felt “bad” about BKSH’s representation of the totalitarian state of oil rich Equatorial Guinea? Or was Dolan simply a gun for hire leveling potent charges of child prostitution and child trafficking at will as she did against BKSH competitor DynCorp in Bosnia and Phillip Kronzer after he asked for an accounting of his funds?

The end is clear and simple: Phillip J. Kronzer and his allies have exposed a portion of a plot so thick that the mere thought causes one to choke. The destruction of Yugoslavia was but one small part of this intrigue. But one must remember these struggles have been going on for centuries and good always triumphs over evil, in the mean time, let us recognize Phillip Kronzer for who he is: a friend of the true Church and victims everywhere.

Sources for this article include: The London Independent, The Gadflyer, Salon.com, Media Mayhem, National Journal, and Publicintegrity.org

Fokus team is only and fully responsible for the content of this article and no mentioned persons did ever contacted the Team in any form so cannot be also responsible .



Mirko Miskovic,
Belgrade based independent journalist

e-mail:: fokus@luxmail.com

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Anyone know where I can buy a PoS badge ?
This one do ya? :D

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Is no one else wondering why the pin says "In Xoc Signo Vinces"?

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WOW TCP that was an pretty pretty interesting read
perfect example of these organizations and the plan to destabilize ....countries
Chalabi was a double agent and used to cause the Iraq war
when you see the American stockmarket going down 400 points on the fact of Italy's debt
the Chaos and destabilization is in full swing...
It will be interesting to see how the Vatican holds up in a destabilized Italy


TCP wrote:
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I've known Carlos Evaristo for years


This is very damning information. The pamphleteer Canadian Crusader?
Qui se ressemble, s'assemble, sans aucun doute.


I would differ with your friend Carlos
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He says the flaming sword is wielded by Michael the Archangel in the Fatima prophecy
and yet in the prophecy announcement the Angel with the flaming sword is not named?
He wrote Saint Michael and the Fatima connection

if it was Saint Michael why didn't Lucia said it was

Carlos is one of only two people in my circle of acquaintance who has ever known Sister Lucy, let alone interviewed her. I'm not in a position to comment on the veracity of what he's written or what his detractors have countered, not having been there myself and not having a dog in this particular fight. Suffice it to say - and this was the only point I was making - that in all the turbulent discourse I've seen over the last several years from both sides of the argument, not one person - whether they're in a position to know anything or not - has mentioned RLC or the "Priory".

TCP


Maybe they didn't know :?:

Let me give some possibilities

At Rennes Chateau
there is a Mary Magdalene Altar pillar
carved with the words Penitence Penitense

these words are connected to Lourdes Bernadette
Repentance Repentance Repentance

The third suppressed secret of Fatima
and then the words said by the Angel with the Flaming sword...the Angel of Repentence
Penance Penance Penance

Sauniere died in 1917 the same year as Fatima

October 13 is the date of Fatima and the date of the Knight's Templar betrayal
there is the Knight Stone

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Is no one else wondering why the pin says "In Xoc Signo Vinces"?


Good eye!

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This one do ya? :D

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Is no one else wondering why the pin says "In Xoc Signo Vinces"?


Good eye Caelum
X is Chi
Chi (letter), the twenty-second letter of the Greek alphabet, often used to abbreviate "Christ". Cf. Chi Rho

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X chromosome, one of the two sex-determining chromosomes in many animal species, including mammals

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Majority in the poll 11/10/11
80% Just like any other day :mrgreen:

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Maybe they didn't know :?:

Let me give some possibilities

At Rennes Chateau
there is a Mary Magdalene Altar pillar
carved with the words Penitence Penitense


Which makes perfect sense for the "Penitent Magdalene"...

lovuian wrote:
these words are connected to Lourdes Bernadette
Repentance Repentance Repentance


Which is pretty standard fare for Marian messages.

lovuian wrote:
The third suppressed secret of Fatima
and then the words said by the Angel with the Flaming sword...the Angel of Repentence
Penance Penance Penance


It's not an uncommon theme in Catholicism, Lov - sin, repent, rinse, repeat...

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Sauniere died in 1917 the same year as Fatima


Kinda hard to have any say in either matter, isn't it? We're all going to die at some point not of our choosing, and Mary will show up when and where she damned well wants to.

lovuian wrote:
October 13 is the date of Fatima and the date of the Knight's Templar betrayal there is the Knight Stone


Actually it was the 13th day over six consecutive months, starting in May and ending in October.

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TCP wrote:
lovuian wrote:
Maybe they didn't know :?:

Let me give some possibilities

At Rennes Chateau
there is a Mary Magdalene Altar pillar
carved with the words Penitence Penitense


Which makes perfect sense for the "Penitent Magdalene"...

lovuian wrote:
these words are connected to Lourdes Bernadette
Repentance Repentance Repentance


Which is pretty standard fare for Marian messages.

lovuian wrote:
The third suppressed secret of Fatima
and then the words said by the Angel with the Flaming sword...the Angel of Repentence
Penance Penance Penance


It's not an uncommon theme in Catholicism, Lov - sin, repent, rinse, repeat...

lovuian wrote:
Sauniere died in 1917 the same year as Fatima


Kinda hard to have any say in either matter, isn't it? We're all going to die at some point not of our choosing, and Mary will show up when and where she damned well wants to.

lovuian wrote:
October 13 is the date of Fatima and the date of the Knight's Templar betrayal there is the Knight Stone


Actually it was the 13th day over six consecutive months, starting in May and ending in October.

TCP


We never die TCP :wink: We just move on

October the 13 was the Miracle of the Sun...it was the Biggie
O Milagre do Sol) was an event on 13 October 1917 in which 30,000 to 100,000 people, who were gathered near Fátima, Portugal, claimed to have witnessed extraordinary solar activity.

Don't you find that interesting
Penance Penance Penance says the Angel with the Flaming sword
and if this is the Angel Uriel verses your friends view that its Saint Michael

that puts a certain twist to it
then we have the third secret prophecy

that talks about a Bishop in white being killed and all of his followers
and yet the prophecy is with held for 80 years when it was promised in the 1960's
We can see it now in 2000 but not in 1960
what were they scared of????

October 13 wasn't a shining moment for the Vatican and Pope
it was the day the French Inquisition had King Phillip arrest the Templars

Yes a recurring theme Arrest torture and then kill ....if you disgree

and then the later crimes of pedophilia which the Pope has asked for forgiveness
one wonders if the people would have known the secret would our future
have changed :?: Cause/effect

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All in all it was an entertaining journey, a journey that has reinforced my belief that Haywood’s Priory of Sion is based on nothing more than fantasy and farce.


When I was a kid we used to play Japs & Commandos, now overgrown kids play at Secret Societies and get to wear a badge too ! Anyone know where I can buy a PoS badge ?


Out of all of this Pilrig what is your opinion of Henry Lincoln and the HBHG team now? Do you believe they hold any responsibility or are complicit in the continuation of the mythology of the PoS and do you know the specific terminology of what the PoS actually was at it's inception in 1956?

Did anyone notice Rob mentions the PoS badge as being made out of Tin? Just thought that might have been a subtle lead in to the tin routes, who knows.


My opinion of Henry ? Gratitude. Thanks to him I'd never have otherwise visited that wonderful part of France, probably never listened to Debussy, never visited St Sulpice or Notre Dame de France in London, would have passed by Le Bergers in the Louvre and so on and so on. HBHG, an utterly readable book, featuring the sort of history you don't get taught at school (screw school history in fact - head for yer nearest decent library !). I think it followed on to what de Sede already wrote, embellished it a fair bit as regards the Holy Bloodline. Marina Warner may have a regarded it as a heap of hooey but for us ignorant plebs it opened up an alternative history.
And if it wasn't for HBHG all of us Anglophones (with the solitary exception of Sheila) wouldn't be contributing this forum.


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Pilrig wrote:
My opinion of Henry ? Gratitude. Thanks to him I'd never have otherwise visited that wonderful part of France, probably never listened to Debussy, never visited St Sulpice or Notre Dame de France in London, would have passed by Le Bergers in the Louvre and so on and so on. HBHG, an utterly readable book, featuring the sort of history you don't get taught at school (screw school history in fact - head for yer nearest decent library !). I think it followed on to what de Sede already wrote, embellished it a fair bit as regards the Holy Bloodline. Marina Warner may have a regarded it as a heap of hooey but for us ignorant plebs it opened up an alternative history.
And if it wasn't for HBHG all of us Anglophones (with the solitary exception of Sheila) wouldn't be contributing this forum.


Actually I didn't come here because of HBHG either despite having read it I had already dismissed it - but that's another story.
Don't forget to thank Henry for Haywood. Brothers in arms. :lol: Nothing like a bit of "Grey Magic" is there. :lol:

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well said Pilrig
HBHG was the leader
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I would have missed this

http://youtu.be/ZucVRU-h1oY


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November 10, 2011 – CANARY ISLAND – Spain’s Civil Protection for Volcanic Risk has closed two beaches on the island of El Hierro in the Canary Islands because of potentially toxic gasses emanating from an underwater volcano off the island’s shore. The decision came after a technician from the country’s National Geographic Institute had to seek medical treatment after he was taken ill while measuring carbon dioxide levels there the previous day,

The island has experienced hundreds of low intensity earthquakes due to volcanic activity. Witnesses say that explosions from the underwater volcano sometimes blasted 25 meters above sea level. -Telegraph

6.9 Earthquake in East China Sea on Nov. 8, 2011

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It`s officially 11/11/11 in the U.K. right now. Here`s what De Sede had to say about Martinism in

his 2nd book, he said that Martinism was formed around the belief in the identity of Louis XVII. The

followers were members of the aristocracy and the clergy. It would be as if there were a group formed

around Anastasia Romanov. Here`s something else revealed by De Sede, in the 19th c. there was a group

organized in Rome against the Freemasons and Rosicrucians and all liberals, it was called the "Sodalitium Pianum"

or the "Fir Plantation". They attacked their enemies with a vengence and used slander as their main weapon. They

were supposedly disbanded but it is said that they live on - where oh where I wonder....here?

Sodalite....Piano

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He wrote Saint Michael and the Fatima connection


He is a salesman for a double-sham order and any linkage helps sales.


So you're accusing the Duke of Braganza of running a scam?

http://www.casarealportuguesa.org/dynamicdata/dukeofbraganza.asp

Titles and Official Styles

His Royal Highness, the Most Serene Lord, Duke of Braganza, of Guimarães and of Barcelos, Marquess of Vila Viçosa, Count of Arraiolos, of Ourém, of Barcelos, of Faria, of Neiva and of Guimarães, Sovereign of the Royal Order of Saint Isabel, Grand Master of the Order of Our Lady of Conception of Vila Viçosa and Grand Master by Birth of the Order of Saint Michael of the Wing and Judge of the Royal Brotherhood of Saint Michael of the Wing.

And you're accusing the International Commission for Orders of Chivalry of complicity in a scam?

http://www.icocregister.org/2004otherinstitutions.htm

Other Institutions of Chivalric character

Ancient chivalric institutions, originally founded as orders, subsequently revived by the dynastic successor of the founding authority.

1. Portugal
House of Bragança (Catholic)
Saint Michael of the Wing
Founded: 1171/1848/1981[67]/2001 (Conferred since 1981)
Ribbon: Red.
Grand Master: H.R.H. Dom Duarte, Duke of Bragança (Duarte III, Titular King of Portugal and the Algarves) (b. 1945).

Should we draw the same conclusion about another award a bit down the page in the ICOC Register "sold" by your purported relatives?

2. Italy
House of Savoy (Catholic)
Order of Merit of Savoy
Founded: H.R.H. Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy, Prince of Piedmont and Prince of Naples 23 January 1988.
Ribbon: Blue with a broad white centre stripe.
Grand Master: H.R.H. Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy, Prince of Piedmont and Prince of Naples (Vittorio Emanuele IV, Titular King of Italy) (b. 1937).

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As you can plainly see, the first order is as I described, a double-sham, while the second is just a sham. And you can stop pretending that you know me, it is obvious you do not.


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Here`s what De Sede had to say about Martinism in
his 2nd book, he said that Martinism was formed around the belief in the identity of Louis XVII.


Given that Martinism got its start around half a century before Louis XVII was born, that doesn't sound quite accurate.

Which is not to say that Naundorffisme wasn't popular among the late 19th century occult set in France; it was quite the rage. There were a few "interesting" contenders for the soi-disant throne back then besides the sons of Naundorff, "the lost Dauphin" - George Brown, Francisco de Borbón y Castellví, of the Spanish Dukes of Seville (and father of the future Grand Master of the Order of Saint Lazarus); and the Carlist Borbóns, of course. No Plantards, though, until much later. And a fellow by the name of Freeman as well, a great nephew of George Brown's, in fact, also with interesting Saint Lazarus connections.

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Want to see a prime example of the kind of scheiß people stir up out of religious fervor and sheer boredom, Lov? Here's the handiwork from 2002 of a group of Serbians calling themselves the "Fokus-Team" (they've since disbanded and re-organized).


And one has to note that this Fokus group carries water for Duarte.


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As you can plainly see, the first order is as I described, a double-sham, while the second is just a sham.


Perhaps you should explain it for all of those who cannot see as "plainly" as you can, Umberto.

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And you can stop pretending that you know me, it is obvious you do not.


Who's pretending? Are you quite certain you haven't been ratted out? :lol:

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Want to see a prime example of the kind of scheiß people stir up out of religious fervor and sheer boredom, Lov? Here's the handiwork from 2002 of a group of Serbians calling themselves the "Fokus-Team" (they've since disbanded and re-organized).


And one has to note that this Fokus group carries water for Duarte.


And why do you suppose that is, Umberto?

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Good point, I should have said, "the revived Martinism of Papus".

De Sede also concluded that Sauniere made his money by producing forged parchment

documents and selling them to the Hapsburgs. He thought that Sauniere and Peladan

belonged to the same group of Rosicrucians, I would disagree.

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Rennes great info on De Sede and Martinism

Peladan proclaimed he had discovered Jesus's tomb :shock:

TCP interesting ! and tertius :mrgreen: keep it coming boys

Karl Wilhelm Naundorff still has his
Naundorff died on August 10, 1845 in Delft, the Netherlands, possibly of poisoning.
"Here lies Louis XVII, King of France" and in his death certificate he is named as "Charles-Louis de Bourbon, Duke of Normandy (Louis XVII), who was known under the name of Charles-Guillaume Naundorff, [...] son of His Majesty the late Louis XVI, King of France and of Her Imperial and Royal Highness Marie Antoinette, Archduchess of Austria, Queen of France, who both died in Paris".[1] France has insisted this document be set aside but the Netherlands has refused.

there is Eleasar Williams
missionary to the Oneida Indians...the Dauphin escaped to America
he was placed with the Iroqouis
http://books.google.com/books?id=kkxBAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=George+Brown+dauphin&source=bl&ots=_GCHDI6D_w&sig=DsNMIaTxkDAuBZTWyOlnIEULdd8&hl=en&ei=zYq8TqiqB4PaiQKzy4yaAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=George%20Brown%20dauphin&f=false


I read that the Mediterranean had a rare Tropical storm the past day
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/rare-tropical-storm-forms-in-the-mediterranean-sea/

November 9, 2011 – FRANCE – A tropical storm (possibly a subtropical hybrid) has formed in the Mediterranean Sea. No, this isn’t a typo. Take a look at the satellite imagery above from early Tuesday morning. Circled in white is the storm south of France and to the west of Italy. Although rare, this is not an unprecedented event. According to the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, low-pressure systems resembling tropical storms and hurricanes have occurred in September 1947, September 1969, January 1982, September 1983 and January 1995

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Who's pretending? Are you quite certain you haven't been ratted out?

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What by Thomas? BTW where is he now?

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Want to see a prime example of the kind of scheiß people stir up out of religious fervor and sheer boredom, Lov? Here's the handiwork from 2002 of a group of Serbians calling themselves the "Fokus-Team" (they've since disbanded and re-organized).

This is about as close to the "Priory" scenario as I've ever seen the partisans of Fátima and Medjugorje steer the vitriolic discussion:

http://www.mania.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2495.html

THE MAN WHO WOULD BE
KING of EUROPE
Introduction

Today the Fokus team exposes a very serious and dark plot that threatens to destabilize the upcoming Constitutional elections in the European Union. This plot began many years ago and has been carried forward by servants of evil into the present. Some of the principal plotters are already known to readers of Fokus, having been the subject of our previous investigations into the occult in Europe and beyond.

All this started when the Fokus team received several strange videotapes. At first sight, the aforementioned tapes show a distinguished, older priest and his driver in the car, then the same priest while swimming in the pool, and later on talking to the same young man. Another shows the earnest young man describing a portion of a museum collection. What s extremely disturbing is that the priest is on the tape, laughing, gesticulating, and showing his tongue towards to his driver then in a swimming pool, this priest makes clear homosexual gestures while talking to the young man. What is the true behind these "masterpieces" and why are they so dangerous?
As previously said, the Fokus team has close connections with highly positioned experts of various military and intelligence forces and groups which strongly need to stay covert. This, of course, does NOT mean that facts and arguments from these sources are not valid or may be put under suspicion. In fact, just the opposite is true.

Astonishingly, these sources knew of the tapes and had already analyzed them before we even asked them. Quoting:

" My friend, what you've sent me is classical fraudulent video material and is made by digital techniques and by someone skilled in video editing techniques. They changed the original content by expertly adding tongue gestures and hand movements of the priest, then added certain body moves while the priest was talking to the young man outside the pool. In regards to the young man explaining something in the museum, I must say that his dancing moves are false and were subtly enhanced, as were augmented some of his face musculature moves. You may quote me but do not name the place of this laboratory or my name and my team names or rankings. You may also explain to anybody that these tapes may be a great exemplar why the courts must not use edited video tapes as valid material, at least not without the same analysis as I've done for you".

Who is Who?

It s now the time to start discussing who is on the tape, who made these tapes, by whose order and what where the motives in doing this? Let's examine what the ORIGINAL content of the tapes may have been: the old priest is sitting and normally gesturing with his arms with NO tongue out of his mouth. He also spoke to young man out of the pool in a normal mode without touching him. The young man inside the museum is like all experts: educationally and animatedly explaining something important.

Who are these people?

The priest is His Excellency, Fr. Mariani, a distinguish member of The Knights of Malta, the young man inside the church is the respected advisor, Mr. Carlos Evaristo, on service to His Royal Highness, Dom Duarte de Bragança. The group immediately behind these false tapes are the British con-man and sometimes journalist, Maurice Alexander, who organized and ordered this attack with Rick Salbato, who further refined this action with some of his supporters. Mr. Alexander is a very successful freelance agent provocateur and a highly skilled media researcher. He is able to manipulate organizations and groups for his mentors` and his own favor. But, how and when and why did Mr. Alexander get together with Salbato who with a hard core of followers entertains some very peculiar political and religious beliefs.

What was the main goal of "the tape action"? It was but part of an ancient but long-lasting war dating from at least the times of Emperor Constantine of Rome. The war began as one between two factions in Rome and then Constantinople - the New Rome, the Blues and the Greens. So named for the original factions at the Circus Maximus chariot races, which became so much more in later years, swallowing up all other factions. Of course Alexander and Salbato have no idea, the mercenary Alexander works for the highest bidder and Salbato is a slave to his own crazed notions.

Now we will analyze the current picture of this war situation. The official circles from Vatican (Rome) obviously very carefully keep watch on this old struggle. Sometimes, the tools of the Blues and Greens become independent and the Vatican is forced to take action. Let us say: the "soldiers" representing the Greens are traditional Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and, by definition certain noble families who may or not may claim the divine right of kings. A divine right directly passed from the King of Kings, Jesus Christ! The Blues are the sworn enemy of the Greens, members of the so-called Blue Lodge who we know better as Freemasons.

From the early days around III or IV century AD, until nowadays certain groups inside the Roman Church dedicated their efforts to minimize the influence or existence of all groups who claimed to be keepers of ancient proofs that Jesus has living heirs among noble families throughout Europe. These groups often found temporary favor with the reigning Pope until their plots were unmasked, i.e. the Knights Templar. So far, the most powerful tool of the Blues is OPUS DEI. Opus Dei controls great wealth and has members inside governments, corporations, and the Vatican who unquestioningly follow its orders. There are many signs that point to Rick Salbato as one of the Opus Dei agents. One sign is the obsession to "punish" the body by self-fustigation and self-flagellation often disguised as body building exercises. Salbato is one such weight lifting enthusiast and boasts about his ability to withstand pain. High ranking Opus Dei agents carry a so called "Cilice", a belt with iron parts which force body to bleed after every move, in order to keep agent` s mind in properly brain washed mode. Salbato interestingly is obsessed with masturbation although Salbato also professes to be celibate. All these are a sign of his being an Opus Dei numerary or associate.

Thus the highly skilled agent, M. Alexander, engaged the former plumber and sexually oriented Salbato for his mentors` favor. Not so long ago Salbato communicated with our old "friend" Terry Colafrancesco and not long after that he was contacted by another of the Blue Agents, our old "friend"- false bishop Paolo Hnillica. It is obvious what was the subject of these conversations. Salbato proclaimed or was goaded into proclaiming himself as "the King of Europe, by appointment of Virgin Mary, herself" by Colafrancesco who claims to be knighted by the Virgin Mary and by one of the chief Blue Lodge agents in the world, Hnilica. At that very moment, Maurice Alexander started his operation in earnest by private commission.
Alexander was instructed to destroy the Portuguese Royal family to make way for "King" Salbato who lives in Portugal. First Alexander attacked, the Knights of St Michael, the traditional defenders of the Portuguese royal house. The first target was the trusted associate of the Braganca family, Mr. Phillip Kronzer, as well as the Duke of Bragança's advisor and secretary, Mr. Carlos Evaristo. Another line of his action were set on organizing a kind of Virgin Mary apparition, in order to establish Salbato as genuine heir of God` s Mother will. The Virgin would anoint Salbato directly as Salbato's previous attempts to secure a seer to do so had failed.

Now we are coming to the illumination: why is the Alexander group with Salbato making such dangerous tapes? The answer was expediency! The false apparitions were to be staged on Easter Sunday 2004 in Ourem near Fatima by Alexander himself with advice and counsel from Colafrancesco and Hnilica. The Knight of Malta, Fr. Mariani and Carlos Evaristo, became aware of Alexander's intentions and prevented the travesty. Alexander had to destroy the pair lest they foil the more important plot by Salbato. Hnilica had arranged introductions of Salbato to Otto von Habsburg, which were now delayed. Salbato would be blessed by the Icon of Kazan and ordered by his puppeteers to consecrate Russia. Easter 2005 was the next chance and Evaristo and Mariani had to be discredited! Salbato's anointing by the false apparition, introduction to the Habsburg, and blessing by the Kazan icon would all take place in quick succession. Demonstrations in his favor were to organize in Porto, Portugal, Amsterdam, Paris, Bratislava and Krakow, Poland. With help by Hnilica and Opus Dei, Salbato would mobilize opposition to the EU elections and create havoc.

To explain better the dark aims Rick Salbato let us briefly mention his project called "Catholic Nation". He pledges that Catholics are a nation and have all rights to form their own country. In that supposed to be country, Salbato explains how mental health would be prohibited and no travel abroad or cable TV would be permitted. The ruler of this enlightened nation would be Otto von Habsburg or his designated heir, Salbato ruling as regent. What Salbato does not state is that his realm would be based in Rome and that he Salbato would be King of Europe, anointed by the Virgin. The Blues would be ascendant and Salbato and his backers would establish a captive Papacy to further legitimize their rule.

SO DARK THE CON OF MEN

Instead of a conclusion we the Fokus team once again underline that what Salbato, Alexander, Hnillica and others doing against HRH Dom Duarte of Bragança, his advisor Carlos Evaristo and His Excellency Fr. Mariani, the Knight of Malta, is only a drop of evil on the road to Good. Hnilica and his ilk can never triumph as long as divine right of Kings keeps Europe's royalty in the Green faction, only a fool or a very desperate group would attempt to use a former plumber who is an American to rule Europe. But of course, perhaps they are more cunning then we give credit, no one believes Salbato a threat to the European Union either, a serious miscalculation, as Alexander's mentors are indeed as powerful as they are arcane.
No one can deny what the Church has accomplished in the way of humanitarian activities. And yet, the past of this same Church has been misused for deceit and violent. Their brutal Crusades continuing more then 300 years and were started by the Knights Templar. The excesses of the Inquisition guided by fanatics, precursors of today's Opus Dei, further sullied the Vatican's reputation. The Ustasha in Croatia, another tool of the Blues, committed horrendous crimes during the Second World War and even more recently, in the name of the Church. Now Opus Dei seeks to drag the Church down that same bloody road. Instead of accepting Jesus' moral messages, they deny his opinion and turned to genocide like crimes!

Mr. Alexander, Mr. Salbato, and Mr. Hnilica: some of us are fully aware of what are you all doing. DO NOT CONTINUE! NOT ANY MORE! And, as final message: from the day this article appears, your activities will be 24 hours a day, seven days a week, all the time specially monitored and your moves will be registered even before you start acting on this. Whenever you are walking somewhere, be careful: You ll never guess who may be the girl behind you, the man in front you, the boy riding his cycle or any known or unknown person. For Mr. Alexander: Sir, a person with your intellectual and moral qualities does not deserve to have mentors like you temporary have it. There is till a time for you to get rid of this ballast! Repent and tell the authorities what you know before you are dragged down...

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More 11/11 weirdness:

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Egypt will close the Great Pyramid of Giza on Friday to avoid any rituals by a group rumoured to have plans to mark the date of 11/11/11 at the site, an official said.
The decision came "after much pressure" from Egyptian Internet users that strange rituals were going to be held "within the walls of the pyramid on November 11, 2011," Atef Abu Zahab, head of the Department of Pharaonic Archaeology, told AFP.

The Supreme Council of Antiquities confirmed the closure Friday of the tourist site, in a statement that only referred to the need for maintenance following a busy period during Muslim holidays.

The Pyramid of Cheops is the biggest and most famous of the three Giza pyramids. It houses the tomb of Pharaoh Khufu, and is the only surviving one of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

Numerologists are anxiously awaiting Friday, when the digital alignment of ones occurs at 11:11 am, which some believe will lead to unusual events.

Thousands of people plan to meet at the time around the world for ceremonial dances, and several pages devoted to the date have appeared on social networking website Facebook.

Some attribute the number 11 to paranormal powers that provide a channel of communication with the subconscious, others see a mystical connection between the number and disasters, like the 9/11 attacks on the United States.


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....they still trot out that same smokescreen statement...and it makes me wonder if the population's general education has actually improved at all over the past two centuries.

Surely it's time to correct the school books !


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My opinion of Henry ? Gratitude. Thanks to him I'd never have otherwise visited that wonderful part of France, probably never listened to Debussy, never visited St Sulpice or Notre Dame de France in London, would have passed by Le Bergers in the Louvre and so on and so on. HBHG, an utterly readable book, featuring the sort of history you don't get taught at school (screw school history in fact - head for yer nearest decent library !). I think it followed on to what de Sede already wrote, embellished it a fair bit as regards the Holy Bloodline. Marina Warner may have a regarded it as a heap of hooey but for us ignorant plebs it opened up an alternative history.


I agree with you very much, Pilrig, well said; Henry was a true pioneer, who introduced many of us in the English-speaking world to the mystery of Rennes, and as you say, to that wonderful region of France. As for him getting many things wrong, he'd be the first to admit it, but then who could honestly say that their opinion of this affair is exactly the same now, as it was when they started on it? And he started on it over forty years ago. His opinions have evolved with time; nothing wrong with that. I'm very pleased that I finally got to meet him. He also has the most wonderful sense of perspective about it all, being not in the least bit obsessive, and a very genuine affection for the region, the landscape, and the people who live there, as of course he now does himself. He has an understanding of, and an appreciation for that place that you can only get by spending time down there, and experiencing the "real treasure", as he puts it. Long may he continue to experience it himself.


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