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Do you think Anything is going to happen on 11/11/11
Just like any other day 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
Earth changes as earthquakes volcano eruptions tidal surges 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
Social/political changes 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
other 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
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Lovuian, as you are the queen of Stained Glass windows and you are talking about St Martin in this thread perhaps you might be interested in this :D
According to Rob in his new book Inside the Priory of Sion, there is a church in Limoux (St Martins) that has a couple of Stained Glass windows depicting the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and one in particular depicts Jesus presenting a boy to Mary Magdalene with the inscription attached “woman I give you a son”.

I don’t recall seeing any pictures of these windows on here during many of the discussions about MM and her relationship with Jesus, perhaps Richard or Nic might have a picture from their travels in Limoux :D


There was this: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3256

Isn't that the line from John: "Woman, behold, your son!" which Jesus says to his mother at the Crucifixion, in reference to the disciple he loved?

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Lovuian, as you are the queen of Stained Glass windows and you are talking about St Martin in this thread perhaps you might be interested in this :D
According to Rob in his new book Inside the Priory of Sion, there is a church in Limoux (St Martins) that has a couple of Stained Glass windows depicting the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and one in particular depicts Jesus presenting a boy to Mary Magdalene with the inscription attached “woman I give you a son”.

I don’t recall seeing any pictures of these windows on here during many of the discussions about MM and her relationship with Jesus, perhaps Richard or Nic might have a picture from their travels in Limoux :D


There was this: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3256

Isn't that the line from John: "Woman, behold, your son!" which Jesus says to his mother at the Crucifixion, in reference to the disciple he loved?


Yes, and by some convoluted calculation the "son" is Mary Magdalene.

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Isn't that the line from John: "Woman, behold, your son!" which Jesus says to his mother at the Crucifixion, in reference to the disciple he loved?


Yes, and by some convoluted calculation the "son" is Mary Magdalene.

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If only you understood the process of editing Tim. Here is a scripture copied hundreds of time by men who did not have a high opinion of womanhood. A scripture that there are no copies of between the time it was first authored and the next 200 years. Editing is such a simple process. :roll:

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The name "Teche" is a Chitimacha Indian word meaning "snake", related to the bayou's twists and turns resembling a snake's movement. The Chitimacha tell an ancient story of how the snake attacked their villages, and it took many warriors many years to kill it. Where the huge carcass lay and decomposed, the depression it left behind filled with water to become the bayou.


I assume you know that the Chitimacha referred to their great leader as the "High Teche"?


No I didn't Interesting Caelum thanks

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Here are some photo's of the church of St Martin's in Limoux ( that IMHO should have cathedral status ).
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One thing I think is of particular interest regarding RLC, is the draped curtain design ( except this time with a different symbol, not the "Crista" ).
I don't know the significance of the dragon motif below ( anyone ? ). Some interesting names below - Sauniere, Tisseyre and Riviére ( probably non-related though ). Another similar curtain design. Unfortunately as i mentioned elsewhere, a large part of the church was off access to visitors because of prior vandalism :evil:

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Well talking about Serpents/dragon (Teche) in Louisiana Cajuns
here is Tingra's suggestion and Nic's great picture of Saint Martin in Limoux
the wallpaper with the serpent and the sword

thanks to Nic :mrgreen: Still looking for the stained glass windows

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You know when I look at that one wall paper with the S in it
looks like the number eleven embeded in it
which is Saint Martin's day 11/11 :shock:

to many 11's

If you roll the dice you want eleven or seven
but you don't want snake eyes two

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Here is a stained glass from Nic's awesome pics
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This one is a JHS ... Jesus cHristos Salvator.
The dragon and a cross-sword ... reference to St. George?
First pic: Obviously SC = St. Catherine.
Did you see that painting in St. Martin where a monk takes Jesus off the cross and where the eyes of Jesus are open?
Another very interesting church in Limoux - though not that old - is the one that was opened up in Billard's time.

Thanks Egi and everyone else, no I haven't got a photo of that particular painting, but I really struggled with the light in there, also it may have been in the area that was restricted.
The first picture is of St Catherine as you say, with the Catherine wheel. I didn't visit the other church in Limoux, will put it on the list for my next trip. Here are a couple more pictures. The St Michel is interesting because the devil looks very similar to the Asmodeus in RLC, a St Louis for Lovuian, and a quite beautiful stained glass window ( apologies for the qualities but as I said before it was difficult in there, and I'm reducing the sizes by 200% to fit the forum )
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The stained glass is like Sauniere's at Rennes two people at the table have halos
Mary and Jesus...interconnected...Sun/ Moon Earth/Moon Sun/Earth

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Glad you like the Fleur de Lys Sheila, here are a few more pictures. These will be the last from St Martin's, as I'm sure some people will be getting bored.
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Believe it or not I think I have seen a house like that on the wallpaper and the tree
and it is connected to Saint Martin ...it is not in France

is there any houses that look like that in Limoux?

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Here is Rob's great interview
and I believe he would agree coincidences can be very meaningful in your life

http://youtu.be/ZQkKYU3CXoM

I found this stained glass window at Arcadia, Mo
I agree with him there is a possible underground church which believed that Jesus was married
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this stained glass window shows two women with three children
and Jesus and a tree
Emil Frei made it for the Ursuline Convent a school for wealthy families which educated their daughters with high degrees such as doctorates Penney's daughter attended the school


Classical Greek iconography identifies the Trojan Paris as non-Greek by his Phrygian cap, which was worn by Mithras and survived into modern imagery as the "Liberty cap" of the American and French revolutionaries. The Phrygians spoke an Indo-European language

Saint Martin wears the Phrygian hat

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Fantastic photos L.! Those wall designs are very Crista-esque!

As for 11/11/11 - I had a UFO sighting on 11/11/07, so I`m

expecting something to happen! I wrote about it ("UFO Over Tucson, Arizona 11/11/07"

on Google) others saw it as well. Martinism has a lot to do with

the RLC mystery, that`s for sure!

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Here is Rob's great interview
and I believe he would agree coincidences can be very meaningful in your life

http://youtu.be/ZQkKYU3CXoM


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Rob Howells is a writer and researcher who has investigated esoteric and historic mysteries such as Rennes-le-Château and the Priory of Sion for the past 20 years. The Priory of Sion was thrust into the limelight in Dan Brown's worldwide bestseller The Da Vinci Code -- here at last is an insider's guide to this mysterious organisation. Here is the first book to shine a spotlight on this group, drawing upon evidence from the Priory itself. It shows that the Priory is releasing information in a series of disclosures, to prepare the world for a catastrophe. This apocalyptic event will culminate in the emergence of a world saviour figure belonging to the bloodline of Christ.


Wonder who this is going to turn out to be? Any ideas? I hope for all our sakes he looks like George Clooney - if he's going to be the son of the son....*233 of the son of God then at least make good looking - if it's Haywood I'm going to the darkside where all the Beautiful People are.

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WW1
No other war had changed the map of Europe so dramatically — four empires disappeared: the German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman and the Russian. Four dynasties: the Hohenzollerns, the Habsburg, Romanovs and the Ottomans, together with their ancillary aristocracies, all fell after the war. Belgium and Serbia were badly damaged, as was France with 1.4 million soldiers dead, not counting other casualties. Germany and Russia were similarly affected.


major war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.
WWI set the stage for WWII

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Germany, 1923: banknotes had lost so much value that they were used as wallpaper. Millions of middle-class Germans were ruined by the hyperinflation. When the war began in 1914, a dollar was worth 4.2 marks. By November 1923, the dollar was at 4.2 trillion marks.


I don't think the Germans have ever forgotten this

Is history repeating itself?

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Here is Rob's great interview
and I believe he would agree coincidences can be very meaningful in your life

http://youtu.be/ZQkKYU3CXoM


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Rob Howells is a writer and researcher who has investigated esoteric and historic mysteries such as Rennes-le-Château and the Priory of Sion for the past 20 years. The Priory of Sion was thrust into the limelight in Dan Brown's worldwide bestseller The Da Vinci Code -- here at last is an insider's guide to this mysterious organisation. Here is the first book to shine a spotlight on this group, drawing upon evidence from the Priory itself. It shows that the Priory is releasing information in a series of disclosures, to prepare the world for a catastrophe. This apocalyptic event will culminate in the emergence of a world saviour figure belonging to the bloodline of Christ.


Wonder who this is going to turn out to be? Any ideas? I hope for all our sakes he looks like George Clooney - if he's going to be the son of the son....*233 of the son of God then at least make good looking - if it's Haywood I'm going to the darkside where all the Beautiful People are.


I know in the movie Bloodline Haywood was asked about the apocalyptic event...he said a "Deluge"

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I know in the movie Bloodline Haywood was asked about the apocalyptic event...he said a "Deluge"


It's a simple question on whom is supposed to be the next "world saviour"? Just wondering if ANYONE here knows or if Rob gives it away in the book.

Has anyone here been invited to Mt. Potato Mash for the big Noah's Ark party, have you, Lovuian, been invited or are you going to drown like the rest of us plebs? Or is it a metaphor - saying we'll drown underneath the torrent of information that will be released and then be rescued by the 2nd coming?

Also in the interview Rob mentions when he started working on the "Bloodline" movie he doesn't let Bruce know that he's in contact with the "PoS" via Haywood. I think that was a bit interesting. He also mentions the financing of the movie came out of L.A. it's basically saying Brucey didn't have anything to do with the financing of the movie which means it wasn't really in his control in that he didn't finance it and/or his consultant was conveniently leaving information out.

All in all after supposedly 20 years of Rob spending his time studying the PoS, has he said anything that hasn't been said before, is there any great revelation in the "book" - afterall it is all about the "inside" of the "PoS" - ANYTHING AT ALL?

What I really don't get as in I fail to see the logic is Haywood says we all drown but then after the supposed "apocalyptic event" a world saviour comes along but my question is "why bother" we'll all be gone and they'll be nobody left to save except for a group of elderly white gentlemen that bothered to climb a mountain without having a heart attack.

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reminds me very much of this

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I know in the movie Bloodline Haywood was asked about the apocalyptic event...he said a "Deluge"


Now it's a deluge, preceded by a global pandemic, and concluding with a "great cull" (after which, I presume the chosen ones inherit the earth). I don't know where he gets this idea from, but it's intimated, by Rob Howells, that it may have something to do with the Third Secret of Fatima; not the version released by the Vatican in 2000. Anyway, usual Book of Revelation, End of Days type thing. Haywood goes on to suggest that the key to the apocalypse is somehow "encoded" at Rennes-le-Chateau.

IMO, belief in a pre-ordained apocalypse, or belief in prophecy of any kind, is completely barmy, but this seems to be a prevalent sub-theme of the Rennes mystery, and why that should be is an interesting question. Elizabeth van Buren wrote a whole book on the subject, after all. Perhaps it's for no better reason than RLC attracts all manner of people, who believe in all manner of things, so millenarianism is bound to be in there somewhere. Perhaps the advent of "2012" encourages this type of thinking. Perhaps it's something else. I don't know, though I did find that part of Rob's book quite interesting, even though I don't believe in that sort of thing.

Incidentally, Rain mentioned Bugarach, and the gathering there of those awaiting the world's end, and I'm pleased to say that when I went there the other day there was no sign of these people. I only went into the church and around the village, then out the other side round the base of the mountain, so I didn't really see that much of the immediate area, but I was half-expecting some kind of teepee city of end-of-the-worlders to be camped out there, despoiling the landscape, but thankfully not. They must have been hiding in the hills that day.

YU55 is going to pass by us at about 2330 hrs, UK time, this evening, but so far away, and so small, that it won't be visible to the naked eye.


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According to Rob in his new book Inside the Priory of Sion, there is a church in Limoux (St Martins) that has a couple of Stained Glass windows depicting the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and one in particular depicts Jesus presenting a boy to Mary Magdalene with the inscription attached “woman I give you a son”.

I've been to this church several times. Never I saw what you mentioned here. Rob Howells seems to be another Baron Munchhausen. :evil:


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L'église, citée dans un document dès 1120, fut remaniée aux XIVème siècle et XVème siècles. Après avoir appartenu à l'abbaye de Saint-Hilaire, elle passa après un long conflit aux dominicains de Prouille.


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On 17 April 1207 — the first certain date in the history of Notre-Dame-de-Prouille — bishop Bérenger of Narbonne gave the new establishment the revenues of the church of Saint-Martin at Limoux


however, the stained glass windows in question are modern.....

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L'église Saint-Martin date du XIIe siècle mais elle a subi, au cours des siècles, d’importantes transformations.
Le porche et la nef sont de style roman, le clocher gothique (XVIe) est bâti sur l’ancienne tour carrée romane (XIe), le baldaquin en bois sculpté (XVIIIe) et les vitraux modernes lui donnent un cachet particulier.


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I know in the movie Bloodline Haywood was asked about the apocalyptic event...he said a "Deluge"


Now it's a deluge, preceded by a global pandemic, and concluding with a "great cull" (after which, I presume the chosen ones inherit the earth). I don't know where he gets this idea from, but it's intimated, by Rob Howells, that it may have something to do with the Third Secret of Fatima; not the version released by the Vatican in 2000. Anyway, usual Book of Revelation, End of Days type thing. Haywood goes on to suggest that the key to the apocalypse is somehow "encoded" at Rennes-le-Chateau.

IMO, belief in a pre-ordained apocalypse, or belief in prophecy of any kind, is completely barmy, but this seems to be a prevalent sub-theme of the Rennes mystery, and why that should be is an interesting question. Elizabeth van Buren wrote a whole book on the subject, after all. Perhaps it's for no better reason than RLC attracts all manner of people, who believe in all manner of things, so millenarianism is bound to be in there somewhere. Perhaps the advent of "2012" encourages this type of thinking. Perhaps it's something else. I don't know, though I did find that part of Rob's book quite interesting, even though I don't believe in that sort of thing.

Incidentally, Rain mentioned Bugarach, and the gathering there of those awaiting the world's end, and I'm pleased to say that when I went there the other day there was no sign of these people. I only went into the church and around the village, then out the other side round the base of the mountain, so I didn't really see that much of the immediate area, but I was half-expecting some kind of teepee city of end-of-the-worlders to be camped out there, despoiling the landscape, but thankfully not. They must have been hiding in the hills that day.

YU55 is going to pass by us at about 2330 hrs, UK time, this evening, but so far away, and so small, that it won't be visible to the naked eye.



A deluge can me many things
it can mean a flood (the melting of the poles ice caps)
but
it can mean To overwhelm with a large number or amount;


DEBT and devaluation of currency
it caused WWII


I don't know if many know this but we are in a unannounced economic WWIII
a country in debt loses its rights ....no shots are fired but the austere measures are felt by the people of the country
it usually leads to war that is what history tells us

the other connotation of the Deluge
is from the Bible
Noahs Ark and the Summerian texts of Gilgamesh

It is as you said Richard the 'great cull" and only the chosen ones survive
that is the belief in Revelations ...the Seven Seals that is one Sauniere's regalia
Belief in prophecies

Howell is right many don't belief the third prophecy of Fatima is the one released to the public
Pope Benedict was very involved in the releasing of the third prophecy
There is also Saint Malachy's prophecy is in play...the end of the Vatican

I believe Howell is right that there is a code per say at Rennes Chateau
what it means leaves many possibilities
that Jesus had children and was married is just one of them
It is the equality of women that is another

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I believe Howell is right that there is a code per say at Rennes Chateau
what it means leaves many possibilities
that Jesus had children and was married is just one of them
It is the equality of women that is another



yep, that is pretty much what he thinks, he also has this to say about the crossed fingers of MM;

"in the Rose and Croix degree there is an instruction about the “sign of Adoration” that begins with the interlacing of the fingers."

He also states that in the painting of the sermon on the mount there is a hidden spy hole in a bush on the right hand side that links through to the bedroom in the presbytery…..the dirty bugger :shock:


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I've been to this church several times. Never I saw what you mentioned here. Rob Howells seems to be another Baron Munchhausen. :evil:


I havent been able to find these windows either, seems a strange thing to make up though as something like that should be easily verified :?


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I never heard of those stained glass windows
I'm with you because I have never heard anybody hear talk of them

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yep, that is pretty much what he thinks, he also has this to say about the crossed fingers of MM;

"in the Rose and Croix degree there is an instruction about the “sign of Adoration” that begins with the interlacing of the fingers."

He also states that in the painting of the sermon on the mount there is a hidden spy hole in a bush on the right hand side that links through to the bedroom in the presbytery…..the dirty bugger :shock:


Well that is a start but I think there is more to it
that her hands on our her thigh or womb...is interesting


Just like Martin of Tours
Phyrgian hat indicating the Arcadians

Phyrgian costumes have the Meandros on them just as the floor at Rennes
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Didn't Howell say that Magdalene hailed from the tribe of Benjamin as the Phrygians were thought to be

The Meandros design is on the floor but many other places at Rennes also

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Isn't that the line from John: "Woman, behold, your son!" which Jesus says to his mother at the Crucifixion, in reference to the disciple he loved?


Yes, and by some convoluted calculation the "son" is Mary Magdalene.

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If only you understood the process of editing Tim. Here is a scripture copied hundreds of time by men who did not have a high opinion of womanhood. A scripture that there are no copies of between the time it was first authored and the next 200 years. Editing is such a simple process. :roll:


Indeed - when one can show that such edits were actually made, which would be rather impossible to do when, as you say, there are no extant copies dated earlier than 200 years. :roll:

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I don't know where he gets this idea from, but it's intimated, by Rob Howells, that it may have something to do with the Third Secret of Fatima; not the version released by the Vatican in 2000.


He said Dr Grant Beardmore, a theologian and former catholic priest who studied in the Vatican once told him something of great significance. According to Dr Beardmore, there was a great deal of interest in RLC within the Vatican partly due to a rumour that the third secret of Fatima related to the apocalypse and mentioned Rennes le Chateau. The third secret was said to contain the revelation that Rennes le Chateau IS KEY to the apocalypse.


The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congr ... ma_en.html

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God. 

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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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Here are a couple of the Saint Martin's windows:

This is possibly the wedding one, although I would actually think Virgin before I thought Magdalene and I would also think Heaven because of the heavenly robes and thrones:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_qK7qooleY00/TCwko ... C_0736.JPG

Apparently their hands are intertwined with red fabric, although you can't see that in this shot.

Here is another which is somewhat interesting:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IVqwhm8yRfw/S ... G_9182.JPG

I'm not quite sure what it is. Joseph, Mary and Jesus at the Temple?

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