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Do you think Anything is going to happen on 11/11/11
Just like any other day 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
Earth changes as earthquakes volcano eruptions tidal surges 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
Social/political changes 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
other 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
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And if the genealogies of the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner are to be believed Diana was also descended from Jesus. In actual fact her sons, via their paternal grandma, are descendants of the Prophet Mohammed.


Not me, I've just got the Qurayshites. But I've got an Æsir in the woodpile, Amal father of the Goths:

Older than Ostrogotha, King of the Black Sea Goths, is Amal, with whom the history of the Amali begins ; and older than Amal is King Gaut, and the Scandinavians who called themselves Gauts (or Goths). The name Amelang or Amalungi is one of ancient royal families, mighty kings and fierce queens, there can be no doubt. Not merely Gothic royalty but "the highest nobility" within the so-called "barbarian" world of Roman times. It is most certain that the name, Amelung, comes from a Germanic tribe or dynasty. The surname is derived from the ancient tribal name Amal, (pl. Amali) and is the genealogia Ostragotharum, the family of the Ostragoths. The Amal clan was revered among the Ostragoths who assigned divine charisma to their leaders, acclaiming the Amali as Aesir, or of the old Nordic ruling dynasty of Gods.

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There are thousands of descendants through female lines, however they are counted as members of their paternal houses.

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The Stuarts/Stewarts play a big part of Nova Scotia's history

and its Mary Queen of Scots son who played a big part

In 1621 King James I of England changed the area's name from Acadia to Nova Scotia.

in 1621 Acadia was renamed Nova Scotia by William Alexander, who had been granted the territory by James VI/I on September 10, 1621.

The flag of Nova Scotia is a white flag with a blue St. Andrew's Cross (Saltier) dividing the field in four, while in the centre is the double-tressured lion of Scotland, the ruddy lion rampant in gold. It traces its origin to the Charter of New Scotland granted in 1621 to Sir William Alexander (afterwards the Earl of Stirling) by King James VI of Scotland and I of England. In this Charter the name, Nova Scotia, (which is the Latin form for New Scotland) first appeared in contradistinction to Acadia or the Acadie of the French. The Flag itself is derived from the Royal Coat of Arms granted to Nova Scotia in 1625 by King Charles I of England, the son and successor of James VI.

http://newscotland1398.ca/hist/nshistory01.html

The Esplanade of Edinburgh Castle, in Scotland, legally is part of Nova Scotia in Canada. Charles I declared it to be Nova Scotia territory so that Nova Scotian baronets might receive their lands there. The decree has never been revoked.

Under Scots Law, baronets had to "take sasine" by symbolically receiving the earth and stone of the land of which they were baronet. To make this possible, since Nova Scotia was far distant, the King declared that sasine could be taken either in Nova Scotia or, alternatively, "at the castle of Edinburgh as the most eminent and principal place of Scotland."

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The term "Acadia" was used for the first time in 1524 by the Italian explorer Giovanni da Verrazzano. When he came upon the region of present-day Washington, D.C., during the month of April, the vegetation appeared so luxuriant that he named the area "Arcadia" after the region of ancient Greece renowned for its innocence and contentment. Today the region visited by Verrazzano is called Delmarva because it encompasses parts of Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. The 'r' was dropped in the 17th century and the name Acadia was used to designate the territory covered by the Maritime provinces of today.

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the shadow and he points to the R without it its Acadia
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The Magdalen Islands (French, Îles de la Madeleine)

Jacques Cartier was the first European to visit the islands, in 1534. However, Mi'kmaq Indians had been visiting the islands for hundreds of years as part of a seasonal subsistence round, probably to harvest the abundant walrus population. A number of archaeological sites have been excavated on the archipelago.

It was named in 1663 by the seigneur of the island, François Doublet, after his wife, Madeleine Fontaine.[2] In 1755, the islands were inhabited by French-speaking Acadians. When the British expelled the Acadians from the rest of what are now the Maritime Provinces of Canada, they did not come as far as the Magdalen Islands. To this day, many inhabitants of the Magdalen Islands (Madelinots) fly the Acadian flag and think of themselves as both Acadians and Québécois.

there is the Salt Mines
Because of its importance to survival, salt has often been considered a valuable commodity during human history.
In the Hebrew Bible, thirty-five verses mention salt,[89] one of which being the story of Lot's wife, who, according to the legend, was turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:26) as they were destroyed. When King Abimelech destroyed the city of Shechem, he is said to have "sown salt on it," probably as a curse on anyone who would re-inhabit it. (Judges 9:45) The Book of Job contains the first mention of salt as a condiment. "Can that which is unsavory be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?" (Job 6:6)

In the Christian New Testament, six verses mention salt. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus referred to his followers as the "salt of the earth". The apostle Paul also encouraged Christians to "let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt" (Colossians 4:6).

In one of the Hadith recorded in Sunan Ibn Majah, Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said that: "Salt is the master of your food. God sent down four blessings from the sky – fire, water, iron and salt"

Salt is mandatory in the rite of the Tridentine Mass.[90] Salt is used in the third item (which includes an Exorcism) of the Celtic Consecration (cf. Gallican Rite) that is employed in the consecration of a church. Salt may be added to the water "where it is customary" in the Roman Catholic rite of Holy water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt

In Aztec mythology, Huixtocihuatl was a fertility goddess who presided over salt and salt water.

The ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans invoked their gods with offerings of salt and water. Some think this to be the origin of Holy Water in the Christian faith.

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the shadow and he points to the R without it its Acadia
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College of Jesuits in Paris, where James II, after his flight from England, in 1688, resided until his removal to St. Germain.

During his residence there, he is said to have sought the establishment of a system of Freemasonry, the object of which should be the restoration of the House of Stuart to the throne of England. Relics of this attempted system are still to be found in many of the advanced Degrees, and the Chapter of Clermont, subsequently organized in Paris, appears to have had some reference to it.

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This was the same place where the Ayatollah Khomeini also later stayed during his exile in France. MI6 and the CIA trained him well there, but it went pear shaped. As of August 2011, the Iranian President during the Khomeini era Bani Sadr now lives in Versailles, west of Paris, in a villa closely guarded by French police. It is difficult putting a label on these people doing deals with perceived enemies, yes they are the government of the United States but they aren't the elected government. The so-called elected government is for show only. Reagan, Clinton, George dubya, Obama etc merely obeys orders from above and makes folksy speeches to the sheeple

In August 2007, Congressman Peter DeFazio, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, told the House that he and the rest of his Committee had been barred from reviewing parts of National Security Presidential Directive 51, the White House supersecret plans to implement so-called "Continuity of Government" in the event of a mass terror attack or natural disaster. (Peter Dale Scott, "Congress, the Bush Administration and Continuity of Government Planning: The Showdown," CounterPunch, Monday, March 31, 2008)

Endgame scenario

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In early 2006, Peter Dale Scott uncovered a $385 million open-ended government contract awarded a Halliburton subsidiary, KBR, from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities." Scott wrote,

The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when. ...

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets. One month later John Brinkerhoff, the author of the 1982 FEMA memo, published an article arguing for the legality of using U.S. troops for purposes of domestic security. (Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," Pacific News Service, February 8, 2006)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

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government is for show only. Reagan, Clinton, George dubya, Obama etc merely obeys orders from above and makes folksy speeches to the sheeple

Look out America




You know Roscoe, I enjoy your posts on Rennes le Chateau and read them all the time, but I have to ask, how is this "nation busting crap" related?---Bill

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And now to come full circle of another coincidence
and the title of the thread Saint Martin

the designer of Shurborough Estates James Athenian Stuart
is buried in the crypt of Saint Martin in the Fields

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St Martin-in-the-Fields is an Anglican church at the north-east corner of Trafalgar Square in the City of Westminster, London. Its patron is Saint Martin of Tours

St Martin in the Fields
Excavations at the site in 2006 led to the discovery of a grave dated about 410.[1] The site is outside the city limits of Roman London (as was the usual Roman practice for burials) but is particularly interesting for being so far outside, and this is leading to a reappraisal of Westminster's importance at that time. The burial is thought by some to mark a Christian centre of that time (possibly reusing the site or building of a pagan temple).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Martin-in-the-Fields

The earliest extant reference to the church is from 1222, with a dispute between the Abbot of Westminster and the Bishop of London as to who had control over it. It was decided in favour of Westminster, and used by the monks of Westminster Abbey

the reign of James I the church was becoming inadequate for the congregation, due to the great increase in population in the area. In 1606 the king granted an acre of ground on the west side of St. Martin's Lane for a new churchyard, and the church was enlarged.

The church has a close relationship with the Royal Family, whose parish church it is,[8] as well as with 10 Downing Street and the Admiralty

It has a interesting stained glass window
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the Tetragrammaton in gold above the Space Warp anomaly in the grid

Robert Boyle is buried there

Another tidbit is that Mary Queen of Scots signed with the signature Marie R
I have taken the liberty of sending you two precious stones, talismans against illness, trusting you will enjoy good health and a long and happy life. Accept them from your loving sister-in-law, who, as she dies, bears witness of her warm feelings for you. Give instructions if it please you, that for my soul's sake part of what you owe me should be paid, and that for the sake of Jesus Christ, to whom I shall pray for you tomorrow as I die, I be left enough to found a memorial mass and give the customary alms.

Wednesday at two in the morning,

Your most moving and most true sister,

Marie R. Queen of Scotland."



Earl of Lichfield is a title that has been created three times in British history. Lord Bernard Stewart, youngest son of Esmé Stewart, 1st Duke of Lennox, was to be created Earl of Lichfield by Charles I for his actions at the battles of Newbury and Naseby but died before the creation could implemented. Charles Stewart, the son of Bernard's younger brother George, who had been killed at the Battle of Edgehill, was instead created Earl of Lichfield in December 1645, soon after the Battle of Rowton Heath. Charles's cousin, who held the titles of Duke of Richmond and Earl of Lennox through the first Duke of Lennox's eldest son James, died aged eleven in 1660 with Charles as his heir. He married Frances Teresa Stuart, the celebrated beauty and alleged former mistress of King Charles II. In disgrace with the king, Charles was sent into exile as ambassador to Denmark, where he drowned on December 12, 1672. All of the English and Scottish titles that had been bestowed upon the male heirs became extinct.

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Patrick Anson 5th Earl of Lichfield
had a stroke on 11/10 and died on Remembrance Day 11/11
May he rest in peace

that would be Saint Martin's day

the Shurborough Monument commisioned by the Anson family

a work by Peter Oberg where the letters stand for numbers which sum to 2810, the distance in miles 2810 miles from Shugborough to the so-called "Money Pit" on Oak Island, in Nova Scotia, Canada.

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roscoe wrote:
government is for show only. Reagan, Clinton, George dubya, Obama etc merely obeys orders from above and makes folksy speeches to the sheeple

Look out America




You know Roscoe, I enjoy your posts on Rennes le Chateau and read them all the time, but I have to ask, how is this "nation busting crap" related?---Bill


When I say look out America I mean Look out America. It matters not a damn that it's relevant or not

Of course who'll be insisting that what I say can't happen. An assumption based on the idea that it can't happen because it hasn't happened before.

The USA has been building concentration camps to detain it's own citizens Everyone talks about 2012, enjoy Christmas it may be your last.

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The stone at Denver airport from the NEW WORLD AIRPORT COMMISSION. Whatever that is. Click to find out

One of thousands, some in Eastern Europe.

FEMA/NASA Exercise Eagle Horizon 2012 readiness -
http://wingsoflyra.blogspot.com/2011/06 ... dness.html

But if you like being picky take a look at the third question in the poll. Nothing happens on a fixed date like 11/11/11 that's too obvious. But something has been PLANNED for 2012. Nothing supernatural or alien related, it's an earthbound plan for social change on a massive scale. The war on terrorism isn't on Muslims, it's on YOU. The world is run by people you don't see and they're drunk with power and crazy. They're expecting trouble from WE THE PEOPLE, that's why T.H.E.Y. need to detain us under the guise of War on Terrorism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMKj7cRGck

So who are T.H.E.Y.?

Let's start with Albert Pike - Not predictions but a Master Plan - http://www.rense.com/general80/pike.htm

Read Occult Theocrasy (sic) by Edith Starr Miller (Lady Queenborough) who died under suspicious circumstances in Paris (like Princess Diana)

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125034.pdf

Edith Starr Miller was married to Almeric Hugh Paget a pro Nazi and Treasurer of the League of Nations. The investigation into the death of Princess Diana was called Operation Paget.

She said too much. Her book was published posthumously. Look at the letters at the end of the book. Here's a sample
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SCHOTTISCHEN RITUS? Still think this is irrelevant?
http://freimaurer-wiki.de/index.php/Schottischer_Ritus

Now the real nature of Scottish Rite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYmeW_j ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNH9a0dg ... re=related

By the way the double headed eagle is on the crest of the Romanov dynasty and on the crest of Albert Pike and is associated with the Byzantine Empire and the Holy Roman Empire.

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Double-headed eagles have been present in imagery for millennia. The two-headed eagle can be found in the archaeological remains[1] of the Sumerian civilization and through the Hittite civilization, dating from a period that ranges from the 20th century BC to the 7th century BC. The Gandaberunda is another example of a myhthological two-headed bird, which is in common use in India

Cylindric seals discovered in Bogazkoy, an old Hittite capital in modern-day Turkey, represent clearly a two-headed eagle with spread wings. The aesthetics of this symmetrical position explains in part the birth of this religious figure: It originally dates from circa 3,800 BC, and was the Sumerian symbol for the god of Lagash, Ninurta son of Enlil. It can also be seen in the same region in three monumental settings: Circa 1,900 BC during the Hittite surge from north-central Anatolia down into Babylonia; in Alacahöyük around 1400 BC and in Yazilikaya before 1250 BC. Here the context looks slightly different and totally religious: The eagle returns to its ancient origins as a symbol of divine power. The two-headed eagle is seen less and less during the last Hittite period (from the 9th century BC to the 7th century BC) and totally disappears after the end of the empire.


NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/novu ... clorum.htm

WORSHIPPERS OF LUCIFER
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/wors ... ucifer.htm
LYNN PICKNETT ON LUCIFER
http://www.picknettprince.com/books/sec ... ucifer.htm


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"Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, "bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").
- Albert Pike

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No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation."

(David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spangler


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The USA has been building concentration camps to detain it's own citizens Everyone talks about 2012, enjoy Christmas it may be your last.


have you seen these camps Roscoe? For something that you'd expect to be kinda kept quiet there sure seems to be a lot of people in the know about it.


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What is interesting Is that Saint Martin of Tours at Martinville is directly in line with the Freemason symbol across the street
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Perhaps some Freemasons of the forum can comment on that symbol because its a bit different
the square has a cross on it :?:

"Here is Martin, the Roman soldier who is not baptized; he has clad me." (Sulpicius, ch 2). In another story, when Martin woke, his cloak was restored, and the miraculous cloak was preserved among the relic collection of the Merovingian kings of the Franks.
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1870, a great number of pilgrims were attracted to St. Martin’s tomb, which was covered by a temporary chapel that Monsignor Guibert (archbishop of Tours, 1857-1871) built. The popular devotion to St. Martin was also associated with the nationalistic devotion to the Sacred Heart. The Flag of Sacre-Coeur, borne by Ultramontane Catholic Pontifical Zouaves who fought at Patay, had been first placed overnight in St. Martin’s Tomb before being taken into battle on October 9, 1870. The banner read "Heart of Jesus Save France" and on the reverse side Carmelite Nuns of Tours embroidered "Saint Martin Protect France".[22] The French army was victorious in Patay, which led many among the faithful to believe that the victory was due to divine favor. Popular hymns of the 1870s developed the theme of national protection under the cover of Martin's cloak, the "first flag of France".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_of_Tours



"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective -- a new world order -- can emerge"

--President George Herbert Walker Bush to Congress

SEPTEMBER 11TH 1990

they like that number eleven it rhymes with seven

dice
Dice can be used for divination; using dice for such a purpose is called cleromancy.
Pythagoreans used the Platonic solids as dice;

Cleromancy is a form of divination using sortition, casting of lots, or casting bones or stones, in which an outcome is determined by means that normally would be considered random, such as the rolling of dice, but are sometimes believed to reveal the will of God, or other supernatural entities.

One notable example in the New Testament occurs in the Acts of the Apostles 1:23-26 where the eleven remaining apostles draw lots to determine whether Matthias or Barsabbas (surnamed Justus) would be chosen to replace Judas. In addition, all four gospels (e.g., John 19:24 tell of the soldiers at Jesus's crucifixion casting lots to see who would get his clothing.


which makes one wonder which soldier won ?
And what did they do with his clothing?

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Leo Dupont
The Venerable Leo Dupont was a religious man from a noble family who had moved to Tours. In 1849 he had started the nightly Eucharistic Adoration movement in Tours, from where it spread within France. He later came to be known as the "Holy Man of Tours". Upon hearing of Sister Marie of St Peter’s reported visions, he started to burn a vigil lamp continuously before a picture of the Holy Face of Jesus, but at that time he used an image based on the Veil of Veronica.

Saint Thérèse of Lisieux was also a French nun who received the Carmelite habit in 1889 and later became known by the religious name "St. Thérèse of the Child Jesus and of the Holy Face".

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The Scottish Rectified Rite or Chevaliers Bienfaisants de la Cité-Sainte (CBCS). This was originally a Masonic rite, a reformed variant of the Rite of Strict Observance which, in its highest degrees, uses Masonic-type rituals to demonstrate the philosophy which underlies both Martinism and the practices of the Elus-Cohens.

The CBCS was founded in the late 18th Century by Jean-Baptiste Willermoz, who was a pupil of Martinez de Pasqually and a friend of Saint-Martin. The CBCS has managed to survive as a continually practiced rite from its founding until the present day, both as a purely masonic rite, and as a detached rite which is also open for women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinism

A.E.Waite states at the beginning of the chapter, there existed a rite in the 18th century called "Ecossais Rectifie de Saint-Martin". The rite arose at the time at the "Lodge -or- Chapter of St.Theodore of Metz". But, as Waite explains, the rite was based on the christian legend of Saint-Martin, Bishop of Tours.

Allegedly there lived a man in the 4th century A.D. in France also called Saint-Martin,

which was used as a "historical source" for a masonic body under the name of "Rectified Rite of Saint-Martin" (A.E. Waite "a new Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry")
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A interesting phenomenon with the sun happens on 11/11 and 2/2 in the Cathedral of Palma
http://youtu.be/LxvUWpTEhvY

Le Seu was built at 1306
It makes a 8 twice a year
2/2 is the Candelaria ..presentation of Jesus to the temple
11/11 on Saint Martin of Tours who has a chapel and a local saint

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I believe Nic Haywood said the Cathedral was on the Roseline

does anybody know if Nic is right?

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The Cathedral Palma is the resting place of Anti pope Clement VIII of the Avignon Papacy
he was the LAST AntiPope

and here is the coincidence
He abdicated to Pope MARTIN V of the Collona Family of Italy
He was elected pope on St. Martin's Day (November 11), 1417, at the Council of Constance by a conclave consisting of twenty-three cardinals and thirty delegates of the council, which, after deposing (1410–15), had long been divided by the conflicting discourses of Pope Gregory XII (1406–15) and antipope Benedict XIII (1394–1423).

When the second Pope to take the name Martin was elected, there was confusion over how many Popes had taken the name before. It was believed then that there were three, so the second Pope named Martin was called Martin IV. Therefore, the third Pope named Martin was called V. But, in reality, those believed to be Martin II and Martin III were called Marinus I and Marinus II, although they are sometimes still known as Martin II and Martin III. This has advanced the numbering of all subsequent Popes Martin by two. Popes Martin IV–V are really the second and third popes by that name.

(1441) sanctioned the Portuguese trade in African slaves

France was not home to the Pope any more...

In that period, in 1418, a synod, convoked by the Jews in Forlì, sent a deputation with costly gifts to the new pope, Martin V, asking that he abolish the oppressive laws promulgated by antipope Benedict XIII and that he grant the Jews those privileges which had been accorded them under previous popes. The deputation succeeded in its mission.

Sigismund (1368–1437), the Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary.
he participated in is often referred to as the Crusade of Nicopolis and was the last large-scale crusade of the Middle Ages.
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It appears that one of the men sitting at the table is wearing a phyrgian hats
Nicodemus and Joseph were Pharisees and part of the Sanhedrin some report

John 12
Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2 Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him. 3 Then Mary took about a pint[a] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.

Luke 7:36-50
the unknown woman
Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. [37] When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, [38] and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

(Mark 14:3-9)
And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head. 4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made? 5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. 7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. 8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying. 9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

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a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.

The accounts in Matthew and Mark adds these words of Jesus, "I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her

Josephus indicates that the Pharisees received the backing and good-will of the common people, apparently in contrast to the more elite Sadducees associated with the ruling classes.

So I can see why a Pharisee would wear a Phyrgian hat ..he was for the common people

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 Post subject: Re: 11/11/11 Saint Martins Day, Martinism, Sauniere YU55
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The Cathedral Palma is the resting place of Anti pope Clement VIII of the Avignon Papacy
he was the LAST AntiPope


Incorrect, he was 6th from the last. Two "Benedicts XIV", a "Benedict XV" and a "Benedict XVI" followed Sánchez Muñoz in the "Viaur" papacy that derived from Benedict XIII's defunct papacy at Peñíscola. And there was also a "Felix V" who did not derive from this succession.

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Oh Thanks TCP for the correction and yes these Antipope Benedicts are very interesting
Benedict XIV was the name used by two closely related minor antipopes of the 15th century. The first, Bernard Garnier became antipope in 1424 and died ca. 1429. The second, Jean Carrier, became antipope ca. 1430 and apparently left office, whether by death or resignation, by 1437.

one of Benedict XIII's cardinals, Jean Carrier, disputed the validity of this election. Carrier, acting as the College of Cardinals by himself, elected Bernard Garnier, who took the name Pope Benedict XIV, instead. Carrier was the archdeacon of Rodez, near Toulouse, and Garnier had been the sacristan of Rodez.

Garnier conducted his office secretly and was known as the "hidden pope": a letter from the Count of Armagnac to Joan of Arc indicates that only Carrier knew Benedict XIV's location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_Benedict_XIV

Interesting a Carrier and Garnier all hailed from Rodez and were Antipopes named Benedict

Joan of Arc was confused too


Joan of Arc's Letter to the Count of Armagnac
August, 22, 1429

Letter to the Count of Armagnac dated August, 22, 1429, from Joan of Arc
Jesus + Maria
Count of Armagnac, my very dear and good friend: Joan the Maid informs you that your messenger has arrived, who told me that you sent him here in order to learn from me which of the three Popes, which you asked about in your letter, you should believe in. Concerning which, I cannot very well tell you truly for the time being, until I am at Paris or elsewhere at ease, for at present I am too occupied with the war; but when you learn that I am in Paris, send a messenger to me and I will let you know truthfully whom you should believe, and what I will have learned about this matter through the counsel of my rightful and sovereign Lord, the King of all the World, and what you are to do, to the best of my power. I commend you to God; may God watch over you. Written at Compiègne, the 22nd day of August.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_Benedict_XIV

John IV, Count of Armagnac
Count of Armagnac, Fézensac, and Rodez from 1418 to 1450. He was the son of Bernard VII of Armagnac, Count d' Armagnac, of Fézensac, Pardiac, and Rodez; and the brother of Bernard of Armagnac, Count of Pardiac, of La Marche and Duke of Nemours. His mother was Bonne of Berry, niece of Charles V of France.

His daughter Marie married the Duke John II of Alençon

he met Joan of Arc and joined her in the fighting through the Loire Valley, becoming her most prominent supporter among the princes of the blood. He left to fight elsewhere after the end of the campaign in September 1429, preferring to attack the English around his own domains in Normandy. On 30 April 1437, at the Chateau L'Isle-Jourdain, he married Marie of Armagnac (c. 1420 – 25 July 1473, Cloister Mortagne-au-Perche), daughter of Jean IV of Armagnac.

The Retrial of Joan of Arc, also known as the "nullification trial", was a posthumous retrial of Joan of Arc authorized by Pope Callixtus III, at the request of Inquisitor-General Jean Brehal and Joan's mother Isabelle Romée. The aim of the trial was to investigate whether the trial of condemnation and its verdict had been handled justly and according to canon law. Investigations started in 1452, and a formal appeal followed in November, 1455. The final summary in June, 1456 described Joan as a martyr and implicated the late Pierre Cauchon with heresy for having convicted an innocent woman in pursuit of a secular vendetta. The court declared her innocence on 7 July 1456.

The duke of Alençon agreed to all of Joan of Arc's decisions
Alençon credited Joan for saving his life at Jargeau, where she warned him of an imminent artillery attack. During the same battle, she withstood a blow from a stone to her helmet as she climbed a scaling ladder

Reims opened its gates on 16 July. The coronation took place the following morning. Although Joan and the duke of Alençon urged a prompt march on Paris, the royal court pursued a negotiated truce with the duke of Burgundy. Duke Philip the Good broke the agreement, using it as a stalling tactic to reinforce the defense of Paris.
http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/A12126098

Garnier had formerly been the sacristan of Rodez, County of Rodez, near Toulouse.

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the statue of Joan of Arc at Rennes Chateau
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj258/anyone4music/jean.jpg

Alencon was close to Chinon when Joan Of Arc first visited Charles VII in the spring of 1429. When he heard that a young woman had arrived at the court of Charles declaring that she was sent by God to raise the siege of Orleans he immediately went to Chinon so see for himself. When he approached Joan she asked Charles about him and when she learned he was a cousin of Charles she told him: "You are very welcome; the more we can get together of the blood of the King of France, the better it will be"
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After this initial meeting Joan and Alencon seem to have become fast friends and Joan began referring to Alencon as her "beau duc." While at Chinon they spent time together practicing the arts of war by jousting and Joan greatly impressed Alencon with her horsemanship and handling of a lance. Alencon would become Joan's greatest friend and ally in the army and later gave invaluable testimony about Joan at her Trial of Rehabilitation. Alencon summarized Joan as follows:

"In all her acts, aside from the facts of war, she was just a simple girl. But in war she was very expert, whether to carry a lance, to assemble an army, to order a battle, or to dispose the artillery. All marveled to see how in military matters she acted with as much sagacity and foresight as if she had been a captain, making war for twenty or thirty years. It was especially in the placing of artillery that she well understood herself."

Alencon was the official commander of the army at Orleans and in most of the Loire Valley campaign however he easily cooperated with Joan and together they won great victories like Orleans and Patay. A scene later described by Alencon at the Trial of Rehabilitation that occurred during the fighting at the town of Jargeau typifies their relationship in battle: "The heralds cried, 'To the assault!' And Joan herself said to me, 'Forward, gentle duke, to the assault!' To me, this was premature. Joan answered, 'Have no fear, this is the hour that pleases god, and when God wills it, that is the moment to take action. Help yourself, and heaven will help you!' And she added, 'Gentle duke, are you afraid? Do you not remember that I promised your wife to bring you back safe and sound?'"


after Joan's death he was never the same
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_alencon.asp

I'm going to add this link from Arcadia

http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3768

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Oh Thanks TCP for the correction and yes these Antipope Benedicts are very interesting


Quite.

lovuian wrote:
Benedict XIV was the name used by two closely related minor antipopes of the 15th century. The first, Bernard Garnier became antipope in 1424 and died ca. 1429. The second, Jean Carrier, became antipope ca. 1430 and apparently left office, whether by death or resignation, by 1437.


Carrier met a rather gruesome end in 1437 as a prisoner of the Count of Foix, Gaston IV. Still thirty years later there were peasants in the Pays du Viaur burned as heretics for their loyalty to him, or to his successor Pierre Trahinier, aka "Benedict XV". Carrier's "papacy" didn't end with his death, or so the legend goes.

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Garnier conducted his office secretly and was known as the "hidden pope": a letter from the Count of Armagnac to Joan of Arc indicates that only Carrier knew Benedict XIV's location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_Benedict_XIV


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He and his little Papal court were installed here, at the château de Jalenques.

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Ahhh yes the legend TCP

To this day the Church has never made any official, authoritative pronouncement about the papal lines of succession for this confusing period; nor has Martin V or any of his successors. Modern scholars are not agreed in their solutions; although they tend to favor the Roman line."

the Borgia pope Alexander VI took his regnal name in sequence after the Pisan Alexander V.




1425, designated pope Bernard Garnier, a sacristan of Rodez, France, and consecrated him. Garnier took the name Benedict XIV (1). Pseudocardinal Carrier kept the election secret to avoid reprisals. At the time, he resided, with the antipope, in the château of Jalenques, which the count of Armagnac had placed at his disposition. Pseudocardinal Carrier called himself lieutenant general of the count of Armagnac in Rouergue. On January 29, 1429, he communicated to the count of Armagnac the existence of Antipope Benedict XIV. The count of Armagnac, for having refused to obey Pope Martin V, was excommunciated and deprived of his states.


http://www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/bios1423a.htm

Otto Colonna was elected on St Martin's Day (November 11) of 1417 and took the name of Martin V.
he ended the Schism

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The St. Martin's tower of Utrecht in the central panel also had St Martin of Tours as patron, just like Pope Martin V. Beneath the tower we see that the Holy Lance is pointing towards it. This relic was once kept in that same church by the German Emperor Conrad II, whose heart still is buried there. During the Council, the Holy Lance belonged to Sigismund!"

Angels with the Arma Christi; the Holy Lance or Spear of Destiny is pointing to the St Martin's Cathedral of Utrecht

http://thelostdutchman.hubpages.com/hub/The-Van-Eyck-Cryptogram

Some popes and bishops on the Ghent Altarpiece. The guy on the right was identified by Peter Voorn as Pierre Cauchon, one of the judges of Joan of Arc. He believes the man above Pierre Cauchon, wearing an ermine hat, is the painter known as Hubert Va

Saint Martin's Tower of Utrecht
The first chapel dedicated to Saint Martin in Utrecht was founded around 600 by Frankish clergy under the patronage of the Merovingian kings


Hitler’s interest in the Ghent Altarpiece was first made evident when a Nazi art detective, Oberleutenant Köhn, arrived in Ghent at the start of the Second World War, and launched an investigation for the missing “Righteous Judges” panel. He never found it, but it was evident to the people of Ghent that Hitler had designs on the rest of the altarpiece, which at the time was stored at in the south of France—why search for the one missing panel, unless Hitler planned to steal the other eleven?

Just before the Second World War, the Ghent Altarpiece had been sent for safekeeping to Chateau de Pau, the elegant birthplace of Henri IV, perched at the foot of the Pyrenees Mountains. It was stolen from this castle in 1941, by order of Hermann Göring.

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Emma Calve and 11/11
and Martinism

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/merovingians/merovingios_renneschateau03a.htm

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For a long time now there have been many authors who have explored the hypotheses that Emma Calve was a member of esoteric groups or secret society. In this document made in Paris on November 11th, 1892, at the cabaret "chat noir", we can see the sign of Emma Calve, just before one sign of SI, Supérieur Inconnu, the third degree of the Martinist Order

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Among all the signatures, we can see also the one of Camille Flammarion
his book was found in Sauniere's possession

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